Trump

[gaggedLouise]

Trump might become historic not just for being "the President of the Mob" but also as the only US President to have been impeached twice... :)

[Callie Del Noire]

Trump might become historic not just for being "the President of the Mob" but also as the only US President to have been impeached twice... :)

I don’t think there is enough time to pull it off, sadly the rats are abandoning the cabinet too fast for the 25th to be invoked.

[Regina Minx]

I don’t think there is enough time to pull it off, sadly the rats are abandoning the cabinet too fast for the 25th to be invoked.

There is considerable debate on #lawtwitter about whether or not acting cabinet heads can satisfy the constitutional requirements to invoke the 25th Amendment. Most people who are specialists in the field say yes.

[Regina Minx]

I don’t think there is enough time to pull it off, sadly the rats are abandoning the cabinet too fast for the 25th to be invoked.

Also, someone pointed out to me that if you can install a new Supreme Court justice in a week, you can impeach in two.

[Callie Del Noire]

There is considerable debate on #lawtwitter about whether or not acting cabinet heads can satisfy the constitutional requirements to invoke the 25th Amendment. Most people who are specialists in the field say yes.

There is enough doubt out there to stall/obfuscate.  If he delays in replacing them..well it’s less than a fortnight left.

I personally think he needs to go but there are some tricky thinkers out there..and with Pence apparently not on board I don’t see it happening. 

[Beorning]

I just read that there was at least one GOP Congressman, Derrick Evans, who actually participated in the riot? Mind boggles...

Any news of people being arrested? I know that the Bison Man is a rather well-known individual, for once?

[TheVillain]

I keep thinking of the Beer Hall Putcsh.

Short Version- The then budding Nazi movement tried a similar coup with similar results in 1923. Historians are pretty sure that the Nazis were successful in taking over Germany in 1933 because the German government responded to the 1923 Nazis with just symbolic consequences to their actions to placate the masses and no major government changes. They thought they could placate the Fascists in 1923 but they ended up just Emboldening them.

[Fox Lokison]

I keep thinking of the Beer Hall Putcsh.

Short Version- The then budding Nazi movement tried a similar coup with similar results in 1923. Historians are pretty sure that the Nazis were successful in taking over Germany in 1933 because the German government responded to the 1923 Nazis with just symbolic consequences to their actions to placate the masses and no major government changes. They thought they could placate the Fascists in 1923 but they ended up just Emboldening them.

You're not alone in thinking of that.

[Aiden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/byebyejob/

This subreddit is on fire today.

All those terrorist shit stains are beginning to feel the repercussions.
I.E The bison headed dipshit was dropped by his agency, he was a voice actor or something.


"Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions."

[Lustful Bride]

https://www.reddit.com/r/byebyejob/

This subreddit is on fire today.

All those terrorist shit stains are beginning to feel the repercussions.
I.E The bison headed dipshit was dropped by his agency, he was a voice actor or something.


"Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions."

I personally like this one, if only all of them were as self aware to realize how they wasted the last few years of their life.

Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide

[The Lovely Tsaritsa]

I just read that there was at least one GOP Congressman, Derrick Evans, who actually participated in the riot? Mind boggles...

Any news of people being arrested? I know that the Bison Man is a rather well-known individual, for once?

I think maybe, they wait for charges. Until, after Mr Trump leaves the White House, so he doesn’t pardon invaders.

[Beguile's Mistress]

I think maybe, they wait for charges. Until, after Mr Trump leaves the White House, so he doesn’t pardon invaders.

This is my thought.  Although there have been several dozen arrests and some have been arraigned they might hold off on some of the more serious charges for a time.  One Capitol officer has died due to injuries received during the riot and this is being investigated but no one has been identified as yet.

[Regina Minx]

I think maybe, they wait for charges. Until, after Mr Trump leaves the White House, so he doesn’t pardon invaders.

The problem is that if he wants to pardon people he doesn't need to wait for prosecutors to file charges or for an investigation to be done. He can issue a broad, blanket pardon on the morning of January 20th and nothing could be done to prevent him.

"Acting pursuant to the grant of authority in Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution of the United States, I, Donald J. Trump, President of the United States, do hereby grant a full, complete and unconditional pardon to all persons who may have committed any offense against the United States when such offense 1) took place in the District of Columbia, Maryland, and/or Virginia and 2) occurred between January 5th, 2021 and January 7th, 2021."

Such a pardon is well within the president's powers and would preclude any federal charges against anyone so described.

[clonkertink]

Yeah, there don't need to be any charges pressed or even an active investigation to grant a pardon.

These are the terms of Nixon's pardon:

Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

Note that it pardons him of any crime he "has committed or may have committed" between the two dates. So, even if new crimes were uncovered, Nixon would be pardoned of those crimes, too.

[Bibliophilia]

I'm going to ask a blunt question. It is a sincere question, not a rhetorical one.  Why?

I ask because in my late teens, I believed in non-violence. I believed in being the better person. But over the past two decades, all I have ever seen is those who try to be 'better' end up getting stabbed in the back; taken advantage of; mocked. All I've seen is that attitude getting us nowhere.

I am aware, though, that just because I have seen so much negativity, doesn't mean that others have. So, the question; why? I want to know what gives you faith. Not to laugh at you, not to de-legitimize your stance, but because I'd like to be able to believe that again.

It's not my job to reignite your faith in humanity or the justice system.

However, the reason I don't support those sort of actions is because no matter how bad other people get, I have to hold myself to a higher standard.  We can't want a better world and desire better of our fellow human beings if we don't hold ourselves to that same standard.  It's precisely what we've been pointing out about these people being hypocritical over vandalism and 'rioting' only being bad when the people doing it are people they disagree with.

I am opposed to the death penalty.  There are many studies that prove capital punishment doesn't work, and one of the many problems with our prison system is a lack of focus on rehabilitation.  I value all human lives and believe that people can change, so the idea of anyone being 'blackbagged' and publically executed is, frankly, horrifying to me.

[Oniya]

Got a couple of things from my feed.  First of all, there have been numerous arrests.  The most recent number I saw was 52, although this article from the Washington Post was released when the number was around 40.

Notable points: One person has been charged with possessing a military-style weapon and 11 Molotov Cocktails.  Another defendant needed a Russian interpreter.

Here's an awkward bit of speechifying:  The article includes a transcript of Trump's words to supporters at a rally that day on The Ellipse.  The end bit is particularly uncomfortable.

So we are going to--we are going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we are going to the Capitol, and we are going to try and give--the Democrats are hopeless, they are never voting for anything, not even one vote but we are going to try--give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help, we're try--going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

[TheGlyphstone]

It sounds like most of the arrests have been for the slap-on-the-wrist offense of curfew violations though. A relatively small number of people are getting hit with serious crimes.

[Dhi]

Most of the mob inside the Capitol have been named and identified that we know of, just through grassroots effort. It's more likely all but one or two have been identified, because all those phones being waved around uniquely identified their carriers when they automatically requested wifi access from the Capitol's servers.

[Missy]

To be honest if the FBI is doing their job then they're compiling a list of everyoen who was in the building and, quite frankly, on the steps. Whether or not they'll start making their investigation public before the 20th, well if that's how they played it, I wouldn't blame them.

[Beguile's Mistress]

The man who stormed Pelosi’s office and a West Virginia lawmaker are among those arrested.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/the-man-who-stormed-pelosis-office-and-a-west-virginia-lawmaker-are-among-those-arrested.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210108&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta&regi_id=72754896&segment_id=48791&user_id=72fa3178692fde114d89c32076547de2

[Missy]

Tune in next week for: Arkansas man seen in photo lounging at Pelosi's desk charged with three felonies -or- don't commit federal crimes and post the pictures on the internet

[Missy]

The man who stormed Pelosi’s office and a West Virginia lawmaker are among those arrested.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/us/politics/the-man-who-stormed-pelosis-office-and-a-west-virginia-lawmaker-are-among-those-arrested.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210108&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta&regi_id=72754896&segment_id=48791&user_id=72fa3178692fde114d89c32076547de2

ah, sorry, yours is better.

You know it's gonna be fun to see him get sentenced, given how cocky he's being. He absolutely deserves the highest penalty before the law.

[Beorning]

I see that they arrested that Derrick Evans guy... Good. I honestly don't understand how can a Congressperson behave so stupidly.

A sidenote: is there no such thing as MP immunity in the States? Back here, the police wouldn't be able to arrest or charge an MP without the parliament agreeing to it.

[Mechelle]

I see that they arrested that Derrick Evans guy... Good. I honestly don't understand how can a Congressperson behave so stupidly.

A sidenote: is there no such thing as MP immunity in the States? Back here, the police wouldn't be able to arrest or charge an MP without the parliament agreeing to it.

Looking his details up, Derrick Evans is actually a member of the West Virginia House of Delegates, rather than the USA Congress, but he has behaved very stupidly. He has stood for the Democrats and Libertarians before becoming a Republican, although he is only in his mid thirties.

I don't know about the USA, but in the UK, MP Margaret Ferrier was charged by Police Scotland for culpable and reckless conduct when she broke covid regulations by travelling hundreds of miles on public transport after testing positive. She had already been suspended from the Scottish National Party and asked to resign her seat, but has refused to do so, but was charged without  Parliament having to agree to it.

[Oniya]

There's even been some debate very recently about whether or not the POTUS can be charged with crimes.  It's currently an Office of Legal Counsel opinion that the POTUS can't be charged while in office.

Did a quick Google search, though, and I think this would say that we don't have anything approaching 'MP immunity'.