Coronavirus - are you afraid?

[Oreo]

Everything wrong with antivaxxers, in a single screenshot:

...Have been educated beyond their intelligence?

[TheGrandAdmiral]

Yeah, it will be an uphill battle, especially since it looks like she is in denial and that just looks like to her as a "good" explanation.

Well I can't find the source as it is random people on groups sharing these things before they get deleted.

Funny thing was that for one set of pics they claimed that they are from my town at a specific date and the images showed a clear blue sky and that day in reality the whole day it was overcast. Moreover since the pqndemic started there was a drastic decrease of air traffic.

[Oniya]

You can use TinEye to backsource pictures.  Maybe show her where that picture was actually taken - and possibly when.

[TheGrandAdmiral]

Will try that too, thanks

[Dashenka]

How can this be justified?

I think on the grand scheme of things, London isn't doing too bad. Also, if London grinds to a halt, with Brexit coming up, the UK will bankrupt. Simple as that. Economics over health. (Just stating why I think they justify it, not saying I agree with it)

On a more positive note,  government minister Nadhim Zahawi, who seems less incompetent than most of his colleagues, has been placed in charge of rolling out the vaccine.

My dog is less incompetent than most of the UK government so that's not saying much at all

[TheGlyphstone]

I think on the grand scheme of things, London isn't doing too bad. Also, if London grinds to a halt, with Brexit coming up, the UK will bankrupt. Simple as that. Economics over health. (Just stating why I think they justify it, not saying I agree with it)


My dog is less incompetent than most of the UK government so that's not saying much at all

Vote Woofums for Parliament!

[Haibane]

if London grinds to a halt, with Brexit coming up, the UK will bankrupt. Simple as that. Economics over health.

No, nothing like that at all. London will keep functioning perfectly well if the entire square mile is shut down because of ... you guessed it ... work from home. Yes, most banking, insurance and other financial operations as well as anything linked to Brexit can all be done remotely so any skewing in tier classifications isn't down to economics. I am not entirely sure I understand why the tier system has been set out the way it has but there are sound statistics showing that C-19 is more prevalent in lower income areas and lower education areas as well as areas with higher numbers of ethnic minorities, and sadly that still means the north of England, despite this being 2020.

[Lilias]

I may have said this before: if you aren't doing it already, go follow Chris Riddell (authorchrisriddell on Facebook, @chrisriddell50 on Twitter, @chris_riddell on Instagram). The day after the election, last year, he started a daily political sketch project, independent from his newspaper work, called 5 Years, that captures the mood of each day, often with as little as one word, in a way that has us followers not knowing whether to laugh or cry.

[Haibane]

Logic behind the UKs new tier system. The government are not "out to get" northern communities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55145619

[elone]

The vaccines may be available soon.  What will be the priorities in receiving them? Lots of talk about healthcare workers, ie. doctors, nurses, and first responders should get the vaccine first. Some think nursing homes should be next, others think it might be a bad idea because the vaccines have not been tested on that population and if it causes problems it will not support the use of vaccines among the naysayers. Next maybe older people who seem to be more at risk.

Since this America, land of money, I would bet sports figures and the wealthy will get the vaccine early.

Question, what are others thoughts on this. Also, will you get the vaccine?  My preference would be for the Moderna one, seems to work well, requires less rigorous storage, and lessens the symptoms if you do get infected.

Question, what are others thoughts on this.

[Mechelle]

Vote Woofums for Parliament!

Well, Boris Johnson looked like a dog in disgrace  for having left a mess on the kitchen floor, with his head down as he was lectured by Sir Graham Brady (one of my local MPs) in Parliament today.
He still won the vote to implement this unpopular tier system, but that was because most Labour and Scottish National Party MPs abstained, on the grounds that there should be restrictions although these were not  the right, ones and it was an English matter, respectively. There wee 56 Conservatives who voted against his plan, the greatest number of rebels yet, but they were mostly the right-wing pro-Brexit ones, like Brady, who had propelled him to power.

I liked the speech by Damian Green, once Theresa May's right hand man who quoted one of his constituents as saying you could follow the rules if they are sensible but now we are arguing about whether or not a scotch egg is a substantial meal. Under tier 2 restrictions, you can drink alcohol in a pub with a substantial meal.  Different cabinet ministers have said that scotch eggs do and do not qualify. A clever brewery has also brewed a beer called "A Substantial Meal!"

[Mechelle]

The vaccines may be available soon.  What will be the priorities in receiving them? Lots of talk about healthcare workers, ie. doctors, nurses, and first responders should get the vaccine first. Some think nursing homes should be next, others think it might be a bad idea because the vaccines have not been tested on that population and if it causes problems it will not support the use of vaccines among the naysayers. Next maybe older people who seem to be more at risk.

Since this America, land of money, I would bet sports figures and the wealthy will get the vaccine early.

Question, what are others thoughts on this. Also, will you get the vaccine?  My preference would be for the Moderna one, seems to work well, requires less rigorous storage, and lessens the symptoms if you do get infected.

Question, what are others thoughts on this.

In England, residents of care homes and staff would get the first vaccines, under the NHS, followed by the over 80s and health workers , then others in descending order of age. However... I am pretty sure the wealthy will be able to jump the queue by going privately, and there may be a practicality for the Pfizer vaccine, which has to be stored at very cold temperatures, meaning that it's kept in large hospitals and so NHS staff, and hospital patients get it  ahead of care home workers and residents.

For myself, I am some way down the list, but would get whatever I am offered first, without jumping the queue.

[Dashenka]

However... I am pretty sure the wealthy will be able to jump the queue by going privately,

Everybody is able to jump the queue. 'The wealthy' just have the money for it. I'm sure though if it means people can go on their annual holiday to Spain, even 'the poor' will jump the queue and go private.

Don't underestimate 'the poor' when it comes to their holiday. And don't judge 'the wealthy' just because they have more than others.

[TheGlyphstone]

When your definition of 'poor' is 'can only as far as Spain for a holiday', I have to wonder exactly what income bracket you live in. It's like seeing someone complaining because their garage isn't big enough to store all their private limousines.

[Dhi]

What power do you see struggling, working class people wielding in order to secure vaccinations while supplies are scarce and spoken for?

The idea that families subsisting paycheck to paycheck would be motivated to do so for a vacation is concerningly out of touch. Families living hand to mouth do not take travel vacations. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not have passports at all.

[beanhollow]

Well, my co-worker tested positive as of Friday. She called out Thursday but we were together Tuesday and Wednesday. My boss still wants me to come into work and I had to tell her twice I wasn't comfortable with that, especially since I don't have my test results and the fact that while making my appointment it says you need to quaretine for 14 days after being in contact with someone who had COVID.

I hate how she's not handling this responsibly. She's asking the employees who worked with the girl who had COVID to still come in regardless of getting our test results back. Anyways, I'm glad I stuck up for myself and said I'm not going in, because my other co-staff doesn't seem to mind going in even though she also worked with her just before she got confirmed testing positive.

*Sarcasm* I love how staying open for a family business with lodging guests is more important than the safety of her guests, employees, and goes against all the policies we ask of our visitors, regarding them to stay home if they have been in contact with someone who has COVID or if they might have symptoms themselves. Were not begging potentially infected visitors to come...they get a full refund and we thank them for being responsible for their actions... so why is she (my boss) begging her employees to come into work under the same scenario? Why is she OK putting her business and her visitors at risk? *shrugs* I'm just happy I said I wasn't going into work so I can stay out of that mess and stay safe for other people's sake potentially.

[Dashenka]

When your definition of 'poor' is 'can only as far as Spain for a holiday', I have to wonder exactly what income bracket you live in. It's like seeing someone complaining because their garage isn't big enough to store all their private limousines.

Well since we're qualifying people by wealth, I thought I'd join in. I'm not a fan of that either. But if 'the wealthy' can afford a vaccin, how do you define that?

[Oniya]

It's not 'affording the vaccine' - it's 'affording the private doctor in order to jump the queue.'  The schedule I saw from friends in Wales was health care workers first, then nursing home residents, and people in descending decades of age.

[Haibane]

Everybody is able to jump the queue. 'The wealthy' just have the money for it. I'm sure though if it means people can go on their annual holiday to Spain, even 'the poor' will jump the queue and go private.

Don't underestimate 'the poor' when it comes to their holiday. And don't judge 'the wealthy' just because they have more than others.

There is a lot on nonsense being written on this thread. Some people still don't seem to get that poor means poor. Of course a very small minority use criminal fraud but that in no way is representative of the majority who really need the NHS and its completely free services.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55045639

[Haibane]

Well, my co-worker tested positive as of Friday. She called out Thursday but we were together Tuesday and Wednesday. My boss still wants me to come into work and I had to tell her twice I wasn't comfortable with that, especially since I don't have my test results and the fact that while making my appointment it says you need to quaretine for 14 days after being in contact with someone who had COVID.

I hate how she's not handling this responsibly. She's asking the employees who worked with the girl who had COVID to still come in regardless of getting our test results back. Anyways, I'm glad I stuck up for myself and said I'm not going in, because my other co-staff doesn't seem to mind going in even though she also worked with her just before she got confirmed testing positive.

This is exactly the type of situation that needs reporting. If a person won't accept their own responsibility then someone with the weight of the law behind them needs to explain those responsibilities and if necessary close the business.

[Haibane]

It's not 'affording the vaccine' - it's 'affording the private doctor in order to jump the queue.'  The schedule I saw from friends in Wales was health care workers first, then nursing home residents, and people in descending decades of age.

Its not even that. In the UK the Pfizer vaccine is not to be made available except via the NHS in very controlled circumstances. Private consultants, clinics and hospitals simply won't be issued supplies. It has to be stored at -80deg C so patients will almost certainly have to travel to major hospitals for their jab. And yes, the vaccine is 100% free.

I don't get why people are even quibbling about this when this event is such fantastic news for everyone.

[Dashenka]

There is a lot on nonsense being written on this thread. Some people still don't seem to get that poor means poor. Of course a very small minority use criminal fraud but that in no way is representative of the majority who really need the NHS and its completely free services.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55045639

I was trying to make a point. It seems I failed.


Just because some of us are wealthier than others, doesn't mean they are immune to abuse.

In Mechelle's post...

However... I am pretty sure the wealthy will be able to jump the queue by going privately

Replace 'the wealthy' by any minority group. Black people. Transgenders. Gay people. And then ask yourself if you still find it acceptable.

I thought not. So why is it acceptable to 'discriminate' against those wealthier than one self is?


Just because somebody can jump a queue (which I doubt) doesn't mean they should or will and it's frankly insulting to even suggest it.

[Lilias]

Replace 'the wealthy' by any minority group. Black people. Transgenders. Gay people. And then ask yourself if you still find it acceptable.

Is that minority more vulnerable? If yes, skipping the queue is not just acceptable, but necessary. Wealth, on the other hand, is not a vulnerability in any way, so... the line starts back there, princess.

[Dashenka]

There is a lot on nonsense being written on this thread.

[Missy]

There is a lot on nonsense being written on this thread. Some people still don't seem to get that poor means poor. Of course a very small minority use criminal fraud but that in no way is representative of the majority who really need the NHS and its completely free services.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55045639

It seems to come from some more than others.