I think you guys have hit on a really good point actually. A lot of sexist practises and sexism in the workplace is most likely not intended to be sexist. Companies were used to paying women less because they could by law, probably more than because they didn't appreciate their female employees. Companies use legal loopholes to get around paying women the same, probably because by following the law and paying more, they are making less profit. This doesn't make it right of course. The female employee who is paid less because the company wants to save every penny they can is equally a victim to the female employee who is paid less because her boss believes she should be.
Anyway, this is going to be my last post in this thread. I'd like to just leave a personal message. Some of my comments earlier bordered slightly on the extreme and I would like to apologise if anyone has been offended by anything I said at any time. I especially would like to apologise for the topic creator for dismissing the topic off hand. This is no way to treat a new member, and I feel bad about my original posts and the derailment of the thread in places. Silverfyre, we will never agree on this topic, but it was not my intention to upset you and again I apologise.
I am a long time member of the site, who never really felt I fitted in, so I flitted in and out without posting much. I wanted to change this, so I started to post. However being away for a while, I kinda forgot that this was a place with so many strong opinions and varied people of all sorts of sensitivities, beliefs and differences. While I'm not sure, and hope I didn't go as far as to break any rules, I really should have re-familiarised myself with them and re-acclimatised to the site before posting on such a delicate issue. Feminism is a matter that is very important to me. However, I don't really feel I've represented my views properly, as I've been drawn into headstrong arguments rather than taking my time and giving the respect to people that they deserve. While I feel feminism is one of the few things in this world that is solely about women, and am strongly against male participation, I have likely come over as more extreme than I am, and I certainly haven't debated in the manner in which I intended to. While there will always be misunderstandings and disagreements, being tolerant and respectful is something I have always prided myself on, and I haven't been showing that.
A lot of what I say is what I feel, but while I may strongly believe something, I need to at least respect the opposing view even if I disagree. Unfortunately with quick posting comes quick thinking and I should have been more careful with my wording in a lot of areas. It was never my intention to upset or offend, and I hope to be more constructive in future. To those that were sending me messages complimenting my posts and ability to "speak up", your support is certainly appreciated, however I need to hold myself to a bit of a higher standard than I have been doing last night and this evening.
I apologize wholeheartedly for any offense, and hope we can all move on. Enjoy the rest of the discussion x