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Author Topic: Danica Roem becomes first trans*person to be elected to (US) state legislature  (Read 1680 times)

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All that and a metalhead too:


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All that and a metalhead too:



LOL, that's awesome.

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Her opponent called himself Virginia's 'chief homophobe' refused to even debate her or refer to her as female[/url].

HA!

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That is just too perfect!  ;D I love it. I hope this victory is rubbed in his face forever.

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Andrea Jenkins was just elected to the Minneapolis City Council, making her the first openly transgender woman of color to win a seat on the city council of a major U.S. city.

There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.


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Furthermore, Robert Marshall was the one who wrote the anti-trans bathroom bill.

Karma's a bitch, ain't it Robbie?

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Always good to see the better person coming out on top :D Would hate to think what it would have been like had her opponent won  >:(

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Always good to see the better person coming out on top :D Would hate to think what it would have been like had her opponent won  >:(




Bless our hearts, we do try :P

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Watching her acceptance speech had me tearing up. 

Good for her, and good for VA! 

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Just hearing this news is making me cry-happy.

Trump is making America great again the same way Harvey Weinstein is making Hollywood safe again.

Offline VekseidTopic starter

I was going to expound more, but I wanted this thread to be about her rather than references to national figures.

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Fair enough. Sorry.

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Not one, not two, not three...but four transgender candidates won last night in the United States.  Danica Roem in Virginia, Andrea Jenkins for Minneapolis City Council, Tyler Titus for Erie School Board in Pennsylvania, and Lisa Middleton for Palm Springs City Council in California.

Last night was full of win.

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Not one, not two, not three...but four transgender candidates won last night in the United States.  Danica Roem in Virginia, Andrea Jenkins for Minneapolis City Council, Tyler Titus for Erie School Board in Pennsylvania, and Lisa Middleton for Palm Springs City Council in California.

Last night was full of win.

That's total win. I'm so glad.

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I live in the same county and a neighboring district of the Roem/Marshall race.  So glad to see and read about her victory.  Some of the things that Marshall was saying, in his interviews and such were so mean and hurtful, and seemed to be so personal. 

Love this quote though...


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*snip*

A lot more grace and composure than I'll ever have too. Not that that's such a high bar.

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I would not refer to him as she either. Was Robbie a bigot because he did not agree with this Roem character’s lifestyle?

Furthermore, Robert Marshall was the one who wrote the anti-trans bathroom bill.

Karma's a bitch, ain't it Robbie?
Robbie wrote a bill that was against mixing of bathrooms? I didn’t know that, but all the more reason to like him.

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I would not refer to him as she either. Was Robbie a bigot because he did not agree with this Roem character’s lifestyle?
Robbie wrote a bill that was against mixing of bathrooms? I didn’t know that, but all the more reason to like him.

Yes. Calling someone a pronoun they have asked not to be called is bigotry - Maybe you should look it up.

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Yes. Calling someone a pronoun they have asked not to be called is bigotry - Maybe you should look it up.
I did not ask if he was called a bigot for not calling him a her. I asked if he was called a bigot for not agreeing with the decisions Roem has made or agreeing with her current ones.
Definition of bigot. :a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially :one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.
So did Robbie respond to Roem hatefully or intolerantly?

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I did not ask if he was called a bigot for not calling him a her. I asked if he was called a bigot for not agreeing with the decisions Roem has made or agreeing with her current ones.

No, he was called a bigot - appropriately - for refusing to acknowledge her actual gender instead of imposing one on her.

So did Robbie respond to Roem hatefully or intolerantly?

That's a big yep.

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I would not refer to him as she either. Was Robbie a bigot because he did not agree with this Roem character’s lifestyle?
Robbie wrote a bill that was against mixing of bathrooms? I didn’t know that, but all the more reason to like him.

The 'bathroom bill' would have required people to use the public restroom that corresponded to the gender that they were assigned to at birth.  As a result, you would have people like Chaz Bono (nee' Chastity) and Balian Buschbaum (nee' Yvonne) being required to use the ladies' room.  You'd also have Laverne Cox and Isis King walking into the men's room - but I'm sure none of those situations would be awkward in the least.

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No, he was called a bigot - appropriately - for refusing to acknowledge her actual gender instead of imposing one on her.


That's a big yep.

If people have the right to acknowledge that transforming your gender is an actual thing, then people have the right to not believe that. He acknowledged that Roem preformed surgeries to change what he was born with because he decided he felt like being a girl. That does not mean he has to agree that he is a female just because of surgery and chemicals he puts in his body to change himself.

Well I have not seen where he was hateful, unless him calling Roem a he is hateful.

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The 'bathroom bill' would have required people to use the public restroom that corresponded to the gender that they were assigned to at birth.  As a result, you would have people like Chaz Bono (nee' Chastity) and Balian Buschbaum (nee' Yvonne) being required to use the ladies' room.  You'd also have Laverne Cox and Isis King walking into the men's room - but I'm sure none of those situations would be awkward in the least.

The 'bathroom bill' would have kept things the way they are... I am not familiar with the names you have listed, probably because I do not keep up with all the people changing genders and coming up with all the new identities. I only mentioned the bill to make sure I understood what the bill the Robbie worked on was what I thought, thank you for verifying.

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The man was being hateful as he was deliberately being antagonistic in a way he knew would hurt someone because he had made a decision as to who they were going to be. He was enforcing the concept that he had greater right to decide what ways people are allowed to recognize themselves. Bob is as much a woman as Roem is a man. Deliberately antagonizing him by calling him a girl, particularly if that carries the negative baggage it might for a transgender individual, would be unreasonably hateful of me.

Bathroom bills are something of a touchy subject because many people seem to think the status quo is being preserved when that simply isn't the case. The conversation, widespread as it is, about transgender individuals in society, is relatively new. As such, the wording of any laws makes it clear that an individual uses the bathroom that corresponds with their gender. Since those things are known to be identified in different ways, now, it's necessary to re-word legislation to reflect that. Lawmakers then have a choice: do they reinforce their own beliefs, or what is best for the individuals of a community.

Generally speaking, those that proudly label themselves homophobes can be counted on to be making relatively ambiguous actions such as these two points on behalf of their own beliefs and not because of the good of a community, particularly as there is no evidence of the community suffering in any way by NOT being antagonistic.

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If people have the right to acknowledge that transforming your gender is an actual thing, then people have the right to not believe that.

If people have the right to be polite and respectful, they have the right to be rude and disrespectful. You are not wrong, but what does it cost to treat people as people?