All Hail God-Emperor Trump

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Nowherewoman

In hopes of de-escalating a bit, I found this both very 'truthy' and heart-warming:

https://youtu.be/9m2valF3s84
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Aiden

Quote from: RedRose on November 09, 2016, 03:29:35 PM


And really folks, refuse to feel ashamed of being American. You are you. Some pretty shitty things have taken place in my country/on my continent and I'm still proud of who I am, just not of the crap.

I'll second this

Eikichi

We're all American. Before Trump and after, we'll still be Americans. Saying you're ashamed of being American because of one election, is petty. The President is the voice of the people, granted he sometimes isn't the voice of all people, but simply because you disagree with our leader doesn't mean you have to strip away your identity as an American. American values won't change, nor will our principles.


Our traditions however, just took a massive nose-dive.
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Rebelle

Quote from: Eikichi on November 09, 2016, 04:29:55 PM
We're all American. Before Trump and after, we'll still be Americans. Saying you're ashamed of being American because of one election, is petty. The President is the voice of the people, granted he sometimes isn't the voice of all people, but simply because you disagree with our leader doesn't mean you have to strip away your identity as an American. American values won't change, nor will our principles.


Our traditions however, just took a massive nose-dive.

I agree wholeheartedly with the first part.  I'm proud to be an American.  My dad fought it Vietnam... And I remember the stories he told about how he was treated when he returned, and it wasn't very heartwarming hats for sure.  But he told me when i was just a wee little Rebs that it didn't matter to him, because while it hurt and things were indeed rough... We're still part if this country and he would have happily defended those same people who threw shit at him, quite literally, because it's what we do.

However, I'm not sure if our traditions took a nose-dive or our choosing if who can get the job done. 

Eikichi

Quote from: Rebelle on November 09, 2016, 04:52:39 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with the first part.  I'm proud to be an American.  My dad fought it Vietnam... And I remember the stories he told about how he was treated when he returned, and it wasn't very heartwarming hats for sure.  But he told me when i was just a wee little Rebs that it didn't matter to him, because while it hurt and things were indeed rough... We're still part if this country and he would have happily defended those same people who threw shit at him, quite literally, because it's what we do.

However, I'm not sure if our traditions took a nose-dive or our choosing if who can get the job done.

Not all traditions but from the ones I can think about off the top of my head..

Tax Returns being released by presidential candidates
Refusing to say he will accept the results of the election
Accepting of immigration ( I consider this an American Tradition, but this has been thrown out during war-time so it's debatable.)
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Inkidu

That's right, keep perpetuating the lie that those on the opposite side of you are somehow lesser people for their choices. People think Trump is the bad thing. No, this... this is the bad thing. Instead of electing people who know how to compromise and work across aisles we elect people who polarize and isolate, they intensify the worst aspects of both sides. It's much easier to think of any dissent from your own opinion as invalid and foreign.

We're a democracy.

The opposite side is not an enemy that has to be beaten, crushed, and run out. There are no rebels. There is no empire. There are only people and people for the most part you have to believe are at least doing what they think is best for themselves, and at most are doing what's best for the country in which they live.

If you don't want Trump or Clinton, or any of the other countless extremist politicians throughout history you've got to be willing to cross lines, or at least be sympathetic with your fellow human beings on a political level.

We're a democracy.

A democracy gets exactly the politicians it deserves.

I'm not disappointed that America elected Trump. I'm disappointed in the American voters are treating one another and the problems it is causing.

Trump and Clinton are mere symptoms of a much bigger set of problems that no one seems to want to start fixing.

(And that's all I'm going to say. I only try to keep my business in here to one post a year at most.)

If you're searching the lines for a point, well you've probably missed it; there was never anything there in the first place.

Rebelle

Quote from: Eikichi on November 09, 2016, 05:00:02 PM
Not all traditions but from the ones I can think about off the top of my head..

Tax Returns being released by presidential candidates
Refusing to say he will accept the results of the election
Accepting of immigration ( I consider this an American Tradition, but this has been thrown out during war-time so it's debatable.)

Aaah those traditions.  Now that I can understand and agree with.

Samael

Welp...

QuoteWe already know Trump doesn’t believe climate change is real, and that his presidency is likely to be a disaster for the planet. Wednesday we got word that Myron Ebell is his pick to lead the Environmental Protection Agency. Ebell is a well-known climate skeptic who wears these credentials proudly.
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Eikichi

Alright.

So climate change might be doomed for 4 years. We can still give him a chance though, right?

No but seriously. Climate change is a serious issue that 95% of scientists believe is real and Ebell believes in the 5% that thinks it's a hoax. he's actually a crackpot.
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With Trump appointing one or two much more conservative SC justices, and having congress squarely on his side - plus spme neo-con as secretary of justice -  they will do everything they can to tear up the ACA without any serious thoughts about finding a useful replacement, right? Especially with a program of heavy slashing of taxes and corporate legal red tape, which was also up front  in Trump's program.  :-(

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Quote from: Eikichi on November 09, 2016, 06:09:24 PM
Alright.

So climate change might be doomed for 4 years. We can still give him a chance though, right?

No but seriously. Climate change is a serious issue that 95% of scientists believe is real and Ebell believes in the 5% that thinks it's a hoax. he's actually a crackpot.

The scientific community has been ringing alarm bells for the past 3 decades at least. But with Trump at the helm we are almost certain to exceed the limits set by the Paris agreement later. Seriously they are getting completely out of control...

Caedy

As more and more of his potential cabinet picks are released, the sadder I get, the more afraid I get.

Rick Scott as a potential nod for Health and Human Services? SERIOUSLY?! The man who cut program after program for disabled individuals, the man who refused to expand medicaid to help the citizens of Florida.  NO JUST NO.

Also, Sarah Palin? Ben Carson? Freaking Huckabee?

Dear lord this makes my head hurt.  He's going to ruin the country.

However, if he implements any of his policies that scream discrimination he will find himself in court with the ACLU.
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TheGlyphstone

Quote from: Caedy on November 10, 2016, 02:29:45 PM


However, if he implements any of his policies that scream discrimination he will find himself in court with the ACLU.

And when they eventually get to the Supreme Court, his slanted bench will deny their appeals. Basically, we can kiss civil liberties goodbye for the forseeable future.

CrownedSun

Quote from: TheGlyphstone on November 10, 2016, 03:19:14 PM
And when they eventually get to the Supreme Court, his slanted bench will deny their appeals. Basically, we can kiss civil liberties goodbye for the forseeable future.

He's only got one seat to replace, FOR NOW, and that's freakin' Scalia.

The balance of the Court isn't really going to shift from that, not from Trump anyway, (would have if Clinton had got in-- sad--)

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Quote from: CrownedSun on November 10, 2016, 03:39:40 PM
He's only got one seat to replace, FOR NOW, and that's freakin' Scalia.

The balance of the Court isn't really going to shift from that, not from Trump anyway, (would have if Clinton had got in-- sad--)

I think the largest worry is that the oldest members on the court are liberal in viewpoint (if I'm remembering right--Ginsburg's getting on in years in particular), and if one of them should die while Trump is in office, that's when we would see the Supreme Court shift strongly conservative.

Just replacing only Scalia with someone conservative puts us back at the same ratio we had before, yep.

CrownedSun

Quote from: Blythe on November 10, 2016, 03:41:12 PM
I think the largest worry is that the oldest members on the court are liberal in viewpoint (if I'm remembering right--Ginsburg's getting on in years in particular), and if one of them should die while Trump is in office, that's when we would see the Supreme Court shift strongly conservative.

Just replacing only Scalia with someone conservative puts us back at the same ratio we had before.

Yeah, I know, but worrying about that before it happens is kinda silly.

Plus, we now have a precedent that if a Supreme Court Justice dies in the last year of a Presidents Reign, you can't pick a new one.

It's an Election Issue!

TheGlyphstone

Quote from: CrownedSun on November 10, 2016, 03:43:07 PM
Yeah, I know, but worrying about that before it happens is kinda silly.

Plus, we now have a precedent that if a Supreme Court Justice dies in the last year of a Presidents Reign, you can't pick a new one.

It's an Election Issue!

Yeah, when the dominant faction in Congress is different from the party of the President. If a justice dies while Trump is in office and the GOP still holds Capitol Hill, they'll approve his pick so fast the ink won't have time to dry.

Blythe

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I'm a bit worried about that, but I haven't heard that any of the justices are in poor health (as far as I know, although I could be wrong!), so hopefully they more liberal justices will be fine over the next four years and we won't have to worry about a dramatic shift in attitudes in the Supreme Court.

Florence

Quote from: Blythe on November 10, 2016, 03:46:47 PM
I'm a bit worried about that, but I haven't heard that any of the justices are in poor health (as far as I know, although I could be wrong!), so hopefully they more liberal justices will be fine over the next four years and we won't have to worry about a dramatic shift in attitudes in the Supreme Court.

Unless he really does decide to declare himself God Emperor, and do away with those silly term limits.

Yeah, I know, not really realistic, but... fuck. I don't think anything would surprise me anymore.
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Eh....  He promised to impose term limits on all of them... key word "Promise", and this is Trumpie we are talking about...
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The thing that terrifies me is for a long time now I (and many others, including those much smarter than me) have been unconvinced by what Trump could achieve.

This is the scale we are looking at:

- Trump can't become a Republican candidate -- he was a democrat for many years
- Trump can't win more votes than the 16 other Republicans
- Trump can't get evangelicals to vote for him
- Trump can't get Republican women to go for him
- Trump can't actually win the nomination once the others are whittled down
- Trump can't win more than 25% of the vote
- Trump can't win more than 35% of the vote
- Trump can't win more than 45% of the vote
- Trump can't survive a sex scandal tape being released
- Trump can't win the general election
- Trump can't enact all his crazy policies  <-- this is where we are now
- Trump can't win a second term
- Trump can't get them to re-write the laws allowing him to run for a third term
- Trump can't win a third term
- Trump can't get himself declared president for life
- Trump can't get his face on Mount Rushmore
- Trump can't get all five faces on Mount Rushmore to be his
- Trump can't become the immortal king of the world

How far along the scale are we going to reach?
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Quote from: Denivar on November 11, 2016, 01:08:43 AM
- Trump can't get all five faces on Mount Rushmore to be his

I kind of half-expect this to be an internet meme somewhere now. <_<

Ralhend

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Hmmm, I only see 4



(Added later) Okay duh, I cant add.

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* If you go to Canada rather than Australia, you'll still hear the crying, wailing and lamenting of all the trapped souls to the south, rather than the wonderful lack of such tormented sounds that comes from living on the other side of the planet.