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Author Topic: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates [Poll updated!]  (Read 40213 times)

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #650 on: January 27, 2016, 08:03:53 AM »
Even Fox is sick of Trump's shenanigans, it seems.

Somebody needs to do a tv skit where Trump is told, in whatever connection: "U R fired!"  :P

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #651 on: January 27, 2016, 10:47:33 AM »
I note that his public statement mentions a fundraiser to support Veterans and Wounded Warriors.  Is he sure that this group is real?  I seem to remember him having one of these things for a 'group' that consisted of only its founder.

https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2015/09/17/the-fake-vet-nonprofit-that-sponsored-trumps-uss-iowa-speech-on-veterans-issues/

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #653 on: January 28, 2016, 11:52:59 AM »
Candidates like Trump who walk away from a debate don't have much courage, do they?

But don't take my word on it. Hear it from the Donald himself.

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #654 on: January 28, 2016, 04:14:00 PM »
Trump seems to be a fine example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, doesn't he?

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #655 on: January 28, 2016, 04:30:41 PM »
Trump... he walked away from the debate like a big baby because he doesn't want to be challenged, especially by a woman.  He can deny it all he wants, but that's the reason.  What boggles my mind is they said on the news his poll numbers are up 11%!  He can't take the heat of a simple debate, yet this is who people want representing us??  When there are protesters at his rallies he has them thrown out because he can't fucking take any criticism.  His whole thing with Rosie O'Donnel years ago was over her making a joke about his hair.  He called her a fat pig over a joke.  Why can't people see that he'll bankrupt us and start WWIII.  The man can't not run his mouth.  This.... just does not compute....

I get people are frustrated with the establishment.  I'm just as frustrated as anyone else, but people.... a blow hard circus clown with an ego the size of the planet that's more fragile than cracked glass is not the answer!

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #656 on: January 28, 2016, 06:07:50 PM »
I'm sure that Trump's doing the decent thing by caring for our veterans, especially the WWII soldiers who fought against the kinds of people he's now retweeting.

Oh wait, apparently the charitable donations he's gathering are going to his personal foundation and not actual veterans groups.

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #657 on: January 28, 2016, 07:50:58 PM »
Trump and Sanders have similarities and differences.  Both are populists.  Trump, however, appeals to the low-information, white, privilege-entitled Americans.  They are driven by emotion, not reason.  While those following Sanders are fired up, they don't seem to be driven by emotion, but a combination of emotion and reason.  Just for that matter they make a more meaningful and trustworthy electorate.

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #658 on: January 28, 2016, 08:26:27 PM »
I just want to note something I find amusing about this debate that's currently going.  None of the republicans will shut up when told, they talk on and on and on..  but they sure got quiet real fast int he name of ad revenue. 

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #659 on: January 30, 2016, 06:49:28 PM »
So, since Trump bowed out of the last debate, Stephen Colbert 'hosted' a 'Trump vs. Trump debate.'

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #660 on: January 30, 2016, 10:46:57 PM »
So, since Trump bowed out of the last debate, Stephen Colbert 'hosted' a 'Trump vs. Trump debate.'

Gotta love Colbert. 

I'm convinced that by this point Trump supporters just refuse to admit the guys is a psycho because they have simply gone too deep.

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #661 on: January 31, 2016, 03:00:39 AM »
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I'm convinced that by this point Trump supporters just refuse to admit the guys is a psycho because they have simply gone too deep.

No, they really are that stupid:


75% of Republicans think Christianity was written into the Constitution, a USA Today poll found.

When asked on what year 9/11 took place, 30% of Americans were unable to answer the question correctly. This was according to a Washington Post poll conducted...in 2006.

Gallup found that 25% of Americans were unable to identify the country from which America gained its independence.

Even though we are a predominantly Christian country, only half of Americans in 2010 knew that Judaism came before Christianity...and that's with the gimmes Old and New in front of each Testament.

Only 1 in 1000 Americans can name all five freedoms from the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights.  22%, though, can come up with the name of every member of the Simpson family.

Worst of all:  20% of Americans believe the sun revolves around the Earth.


Trump supporters are not trolls.  Some of them, I'm sure, are nice people, though.
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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #662 on: January 31, 2016, 02:17:51 PM »
-sighs-

That is a sad truth. It is extremely baffling that people like that really exist now a days. The biggest problem is that many of them choose to remain ignorant despite being told otherwise.

If I think too much about Trump's supporters my soul aches. I'm a minority, and I have seen the anxiety he causes amongst some of my family members and friends.  I live in an area that has very little ethnic diversity and I've never felt as uncomfortable as I do now with so many Trump-chumps coming out of the woodwork all around me.  Realistically speaking, the chances of a Trump presidency are slim, but if he gets the nomination he might just win my state.  That's enough to make me feel eck.

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #663 on: February 01, 2016, 08:12:27 AM »
The Iowa Caucus is tonight at 7pm CST. Going to be a exciting night I think.

http://www.c-span.org/ Will have coverage throughout the night.

Here's my republican caucus predictions.

Winner: Trump
Runner up: Cruz

Candidates who will drop out after the caucus.

Huckabee
Santorum
Fionia
Carson

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #664 on: February 01, 2016, 11:45:47 PM »
So, the Iowa caucusing results

And updating the OP--Martin O'Malley (Democrat) is dropping from the race, and Mike Huckabee (Republican) is dropping.

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #665 on: February 02, 2016, 01:14:13 AM »
Not terribly surprised about O'Malley.  I've kind of felt bad for the guy - it's been 'Hillary this' and 'Bernie that' and 'O'Malley who?'

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #666 on: February 02, 2016, 07:34:03 AM »
I wonder how long Jeb Bush is going to stay in the race - he's looked rather eclipsed by the more gung-ho guys in front lately. And "Bush III" doesn't sound like the most infectious kind of bid.

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« Reply #667 on: February 02, 2016, 07:56:49 AM »
I wonder how long Jeb Bush is going to stay in the race - he's looked rather eclipsed by the more gung-ho guys in front lately. And "Bush III" doesn't sound like the most infectious kind of bid.
My guess is if and when he bows out of the race he'll want to do it with a statement of endorsement - or a clear statement that he endorses none of the front runners. But for that to make any sense he'll have to wait and see a while what trends emerge. If he throws in the towel before "Super Tuesday" (March 1) it will be very close to that date. I figure he'll stay in the race for at least another 3 weeks, if not longer.

It's pretty much what I expect from anyone who hasn't given up yet - wait out the first few primaries, then throw their weight behind another candidate either for Super Tuesday, or very shortly afterwards. That way they can at least pretend to make a difference and stand a chance to get in the good graces of the eventual candidate.

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« Reply #668 on: February 02, 2016, 10:25:49 AM »
It's also worth remembering that despite all the hype the Iowa caucus, especially on the Republican side, is rarely decisive and the more radical candidates tend to overperform there; in 2012 Rick Santorum took it and in 2008 Mike Huckabee was the winner. Of particular note may be 2008 where eventual nominee McCain came fourth (behind Fred Thompson of all people)... although 4th with about 13% is a damn sight better than 6th with less than 3% as Jeb Bush did, especially when you consider how heavily Bush spent.

The media will do as the media does and attempt to create narratives and storylines out of this but they've been wrong before and they'll be wrong again; to once more go back to 2008 after the first couple of events the media were saying McCain was moments away from dropping out and look what happened there. Any contender with serious ambitions (and Jeb does have serious ambitions) is going to wait for at least a couple more states to decide before making a decision.

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #669 on: February 02, 2016, 11:11:03 AM »
I wonder how long Jeb Bush is going to stay in the race - he's looked rather eclipsed by the more gung-ho guys in front lately. And "Bush III" doesn't sound like the most infectious kind of bid.

You don't stop campaigning until one of two things happen. 1) You run out of money* or 2) It becomes mathematically impossible to win. It won't be until after Super Tuesday that we will enter the point were it becomes impossible for candidates to make up the delegate difference. Jeb! Never expected to take Iowa and in the long run winning Iowa won't matter too much. A lot can happen between now and Super Tuesday and Jeb! Should have the funds to get to that point.


*Side note, Super PAC money doesn't count as they can not finance the basic things you need to run for office. Like travel expenses and a trained staff. This is why Scott Walker dropped out so early despite all of that Koch money.


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« Reply #671 on: February 02, 2016, 01:14:32 PM »
Trump doesn't show up to the GOP debate before the Iowa caucuses and he snags second place... I just don't get it.

Also surprised that Bernie got second place. :-\

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #672 on: February 02, 2016, 05:25:08 PM »
Also surprised that Bernie got second place. :-\

I'm not actually disappointed by that.  He got a very close second place after having minimal media coverage. 

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #673 on: February 02, 2016, 05:42:07 PM »
And it was second place by like 0.3%. In terms of polling, that is for all intents and purposes a tie.

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Re: The Big Thread For the USA 2016 Presidential Candidates
« Reply #674 on: February 02, 2016, 07:40:25 PM »
I'm actually marking that as a win for him, since as Glyph pointed out, that 0.3% is basically margin of error.  Not in terms of the numbers, but in the fact that Bernie is taking on the political establishment who has been slobbering over a Hillary Clinton campaign (v2.0) for President for the last eight years (hence 2.0) and trying all it can to build her up as the ULTIMATE candidate...

...and a guy who believes in popular governance is coming out of nowhere in the last couple of years is matching her.  Plus, over 80% of young people in Iowa voted for him.  Bernie understands that the future is our incoming generation, not the people who are already there.