White Supremacy and the Continued Fight

[Fox Lokison]

In the wake of the Trump presidency, we've seen a seemingly new type of movement. It's one that's quick to be dismissed as the ravings of a lunatic, or the delusions of someone that isn't quite mentally well. This seeming madness that's gripped people is hard to come to terms with, and even harder to bring attention to. The elephant in the room of white supremacy, and how it's infected the very roots of our society, is a big and difficult one to embrace. Now that Trump is out of office, many people would like to think that the proponents of it will simply vanish, scurrying back into the burrows from whence they came, defeated and tails tucked. This is a hopeful dream, but it comes from a belief that is inherently flawed. The issues that spawned such virulent racism and theories such as the Great Replacement, the evils of supposed non-white groups such as Mexicans or Muslims or Jews, and the rampant tensions we see today were not born of the Trump presidency. They were not born of the Obama presidency. They have much deeper roots, in America and in the whole world. I started this thread to have a discussion on them, as I was once inside this movement, and have taken a particular interest in learning just how it came to be.

White Supremacy, as a movement, stems from several critical beliefs. On the surface, these may seem inane, easily dismissed, or even delusional, but like all things, their roots run deep. We would like to believe, as we always have, that grand, sweeping gestures can end eras of inequality. That the battle in the marketplace of ideas will defeat such regressive thinking. We have believed this after defeating the Nazis, after toppling the British colonial power, after passing the civil rights acts and ending slavery. Each time, there has been a popular perception that these issues are over, they are done with, and we have ripped out the roots by taking out the leaders, and defanging the movements. But not unlike a mythical hydra, bigotry of this stripe does not die if you rip off a head. It merely hunkers down while it regrows a new one, and takes advantage of the time we are looking away. Though a lot of this initial post is going to be "White nationalism is not going away and here is why", there's also a lot of history and politics to discuss that I may or may not broach myself, but should be broached none the less.

The key point to be addressed; white nationalism is a rebranding of white supremacism, to make it more palatable for the mainstream. And this worked.

White Nationalists (WN) are not selling the idea that the color of their skin alone makes them great. They are trying to sell that this modern world we live in with all the benefits we enjoy, is due to the efforts of white people. That white achievements and greatness made everything you value, and without whiteness, we would live in a regressive and violent world. While this seems a paltry distinction, it is critical. A man who walks into the halls of government and says "I believe white people are great because they are white, and deserve more rights" will be laughed out. But a man who walks into the halls of government and says "I believe that white culture and white society created this great place where we now stand, and has now come under attack. We should take steps to preserve white culture, lest we lose what makes us great"?

This man will be listened to. This man has his foot in the door, with his sobriety, his reason, and his evidence. He is selling the idea that he, and all white people, come from a unique lineage, which has provably achieved great things, and is now at risk of being eradicated. He is not selling supremacy. He is selling defense, and tapping into the fears of the white populace as he does so. He has packaged his beliefs into a wrapping of concern and fear, of a desire to simply protect and preserve his own beliefs. What he leaves out, is that to do so, he must harm others. If you look for white hoods and burning crosses, you will not see this man. And that is his goal.

WN movements have taken steps in the past ten years or so to mainstream their image. This happens fairly often, as such movements realize the mainstream has outed them for what they are. In the year preceding Obama's first presidency, for example, Stormfront creator Don Black purposefully removed all Nazi imagery, slurs, and threats of violence and lawbreaking from it, in order to keep his site up. After controversy surrounding the website had threatened his ability to reach his target audience, Don took on a tactic he learned from David Duke, Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, and "got out of the cow pasture and into hotel meeting rooms." However, the true inspiration for this move came from his son, Derek Black, a young white supremacist who pioneered this new image for their movement, and has since left.

Another myth this brings us to, is the myth that no well-reasoned, educated man believes this nonsense. That, worse than any myth, allows us to overlook the white supremacist next door. Two men who went undercover amidst the new white nationalist movement, Patrik Hermansson and David Lewis both found the same thing. This mainstreaming of White Nationalism was not simply a poor, rural conspiracy, but rather a movement of powerful men - and some women - who truly believed they were under attack, and needed to do everything in their power to preserve their white values. No longer was the white supremacist a palatable image. Rather, a new one came through. A well-educated, well-spoken man came forth. He could talk the talk, walk the walk, and earn the respect of people who valued civility over action. People who wished for the status quo to remain the same, for whiteness to be the majority, for their voices to be dominant.

White Nationalists are not inane conspiracy theorists who have bought into some delusion with no grounding in reality. They have taken the concerns of the common people, and turned them into vehicles for rhetoric. Jobs, the economy, safety, security, religion, culture, personal values, fear… these are all things that matter to people. Every last one is a chance to slip in your rhetoric, to profess that you have both a plan and a scapegoat. White Nationalists have a simple proposal. They want a white homeland, where white people can live as they believe is right without persecution. Where they can have a majority say in their government, represent their own interests. They no longer call for the termination of those who are not white, or violence against them. Whether this is the end result of their plans or not does not matter, as it has grown harder to pin this on them. They wish to make America and Europe these white homelands again. In service of this, they have amassed what could be called an army. A mob of citizens who feel wronged, betrayed by their governments, overshadowed in their representation, silenced and lambasted and blamed for the ills of the world. The resentment of the masses has finally found an outlet. And that is White Nationalism.

This, in turn, has led to a rise of WN in the populist movement - the very same that bolstered Donald Trump to the Presidency.

To spare us all a long diatribe, populism is the belief that power should rest with the people, not the elites. Donald Trump ran himself as a man of the people, the candidate to drain the swamp, to stop migration, bring the troops home, and protect white American interests. He was the perfect vehicle for the WN movement to bring their beliefs out into the light. Even though there's been clear dissent in the community as to whether they want someone like Trump to be their vehicle, most, if not all, jumped on board when he nabbed the nomination, and then, the Presidency. Whether or not the man himself was a member of the community didn't matter. Like Hitler, he was an excellent mouthpiece that had the people's approval, and could disseminate the message on a wider stage. And I will note, as an important aside, Hitler suffered a crushing defeat before his true ascension to leadership, after his first attempt went awry and he was deemed a threat. The undercurrents that propelled him back to the top only grew stronger in his absence. Hitler stoked the fire, and when it was roaring, the people wanted him back. This is because men such as Hitler and Trump are not leaders. They are vehicles through which wiser men can project their message.

This is, in essence, why the end of the Trump presidency will not be the end of White Nationalism as a movement. It won't even be a significant hindrance. We are discussing a belief system that came to prominence in the British Colonial Period, and can draw roots to nearly a thousand years ago, when the struggle of East vs West rose. It has adapted, evolved, and survived and thrived in conditions that would kill most belief systems. It is authoritarian, populist, and fascist. It does not fear the dark. That is where it does its best work. It is there when you least expect it, because that is the implicit strategy that has kept it alive. If anything, right now, the wounded sense of outrage expressed by Trump voters should be a warning bell. The belief that a war is being waged against white people has only strengthened with this loss. The fires are being stoked. Every move the Biden Presidency makes is seen as a threat, an attack, an attempt for the corrupt elites to steal back control, silence the white population, and force a world order that does not reflect their beliefs.

The belief is simple. This country was theirs. It was stolen. And now, they want it back.

[Fox Lokison]

An update on the Proud Boys this week...

"Due to the recent failure of Proud Boy Chairman Enrique Tarrio to conduct himself with honor and courage on the battlefield, it has been decided that I Kyle Chapman reassume my post as President of Proud Boys effective immediately," Chapman wrote. "Our logo will forthwith be changed to reflect the core beliefs of Proud Boy members.

"We will no longer cuck to the left by appointing token negroes as our leaders. We will no longer allow homosexuals or other 'undesirables' into our ranks. We will confront the Zionist criminals who wish to destroy our civilization.

"We recognize that the West was built by the White Race alone and we owe nothing to any other race."

Link to Newsweek article

The Proud Boys are known for violence, particularly in the western US. They have a strong presence in the Pacific Northwest, and a track record of violence. Their "tactical defense arm", the FOAK, is known in particular for their violence, with the leader of it - the very man attempting a coup - saying, quote;

TW Violence

“I was talking to a Ukrainian guy the other day. And about a year ago a bunch of Muslims beat a Ukrainian man to death. The Ukrainian people got together, they all picked up AR-15s, and about 70 of them went into the Muslim neighborhood and shot it the hell up. Now I’m not saying that’s what we need to do, but I’m telling you that spirit and the heart of these people is something to be commended. And the willingness to fight and die in defense of their civilization is a beautiful thing and we need to embrace that sort of spirit here in America.”

They are part of the larger far-right, neo-fascist movement, and made national headlines thanks to Donald Trump recently, with his "stand back and stand by" comments.

At the first presidential debate in September, when asked if he denounced the group, Trump told the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by.” Trump later said he didn’t know about the group and told it to “stand down.” But the group adopted “stand back and stand by” as a rallying cry, sparking fears that Trump’s words would encourage far-right groups to foment unrest on Election Day.

Source

They have been active through the election period, and as tensions soar, I think it's safe to say more violence is to be expected, especially with FOAK looking to branch off and embrace the Nazi identity, as well as violence against any threatening the white race (as they see it).

[Fox Lokison]

As the right wing militias amp up and plan to join the protests for Donald Trump, some names that people might be unfamiliar with are popping up. The Three Percenters, Groypers, Oath Keepers, and Proud Boys have all said they'll show. I've already noted some stuff on the Proud Boys, but here's some brief summaries of the other groups, for the curious.

Three Percenters

The Three Percenters do not see themselves as white supremacists, a militia, or a hate group. They are pro-Constitution, pro-freedom, anti-corruption, and anti-injustice. You can view their own statement on themselves here, and the ADL statements on them here.

They believe in the right of the people to defend the Constitution and to protect themselves from government tyranny. They are not actually a group like the Proud Boys are a group, but more a bunch of people with a similar belief on governance and the duty of citizens. They're found in militias, but also in government, activism, and many other places where violence is not used.

However, they also mostly supported Donald Trump, and during his presidency, turned their ire onto others who they felt were a threat. Members have done things such as hang an effigy of Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear at the end of a Second Amendment rally (link) and bomb a mosque to "scare away Muslims" (link).

Though the media often refer to Three Percenters as a movement or a group, they are neither.  Rather, they constitute a major part of the broader anti-government militia movement, whose ideology they share.  Some Three Percenters form militia groups, while others form non-paramilitary groups or create online networks; even more are active as individual or unaffiliated Three Percenters. 

The Three Percenter concept may be best understood as a way to simplify, popularize and spread the ideology and beliefs of the militia movement.  The militia movement is a right-wing anti-government extremist movement that arose in 1993-94. Its core belief centered on the idea that the federal government is collaborating with a shadowy globalist and socialist conspiracy (often referred to as the “New World Order”) in order to strip Americans of their rights and freedoms, starting with their right to bear arms, so that Americans can be made slaves to the New World Order and its agenda. Militia activists view the federal government as tyrannical and illegitimate; some seek to defend Americans from its perceived ravages, while others occasionally plot to attack the government.

Sufficed to say, though they are not explicitly a white nationalist group, they have no problem collaborating with them, so long they can achieve the same end goal. Also unsurprisingly, their belief aligns quite well with the Qanon conspiracies, which has allowed them to fall in behind Donald Trump.

Groyper Army

The Groypers are just... bad. I can't even remain objective on them. They're open white supremacists, anti-Semitic, they'll attack conservatives and Trump as soon as they'll attack leftists and Jews, and they're essentially a cult.

To give some background, they're formed around a guy called Nick Fuentes. He thought Charlie Kirk, leader of Turning Point USA (the guys who had a public "Professor Watchlist", of professors who "discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom") was too moderate, and didn't go far enough. He's criticized and confronted Donald Trump, Trump Jr, and Ben Shapiro, all for being insufficiently conservative and not hard enough on the issues. He believes immigration is a threat to the US, specifically white people, and openly avows that he is for white people, and will not back down on that. You can find more info on him here. He enjoys the public eye and spreading his views, and while I won't link it, his Twitter and other platforms are out there as well.

They have ties to 4chan, use a form of Pepe the Frog as their image, and are pretty open about their affiliation and beliefs.

I'm not really up for explaining these guys, they're about as openly anti-Semitic, transphobic, racist, misogynistic, and every kind of bigotry you can be. They do so gleefully, and have proudly stood up and shouted these views. The ADL did a bit on them as well if you're really curious.

Oath Keepers

Oath Keepers are the last of the bunch, and the guys I tend to be worried about a bit more when they pop up. This is because they are, in their own words, "a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to “defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” They are the ones trying to recruit the military and cops to their side. They have sympathizers in both the armed forces and law enforcement as a result, which makes them a troublesome sight at any protest.

They accept men and women, and are a lot older than the Trump presidency. They've had their hands in a lot of pots since at least the first Obama term, and have only grown since then. They're the guys who are talking about their fears of martial law being imposed, the Second Amendment being under attack, the UN being the face of the New World Order, and the growing face of the "prepper" movement (ie, preparing for disaster). Their belief is that their loyalty should be to the Constitution, not the politicians.

The ADL and SPLC both have done pieces on them. They're one of the largest groups out there, claiming tens of thousands of members, and have been active for about 11 years now. Unlike the others, they're far more equipped to cause trouble, being experienced in combat and the use of firearms, as well as up to date with modern military and law enforcement training. They include specialists as well, such as their founder, and seemingly pass those lessons onto their other members in preparation for some doomsday event where the federal government comes after them.

Oath Keepers are just as vicious against the federal government as they are against any group they don't like, and have had a few standoffs with the feds. They'll go as far as sending armed men to defy the Bureau of Land Management, and you've probably seen them around voter fraud discussions in the 2016 election. They believed Hillary Clinton was one of the people trying to usher in the New World Order. How she would do it varied, but talks of terrorist attacks being used to take away guns were common.

I'll leave this quote from their website to sum them up.

“It is the height of Orwellian perversion of language and logic to say that disarming you of the most effective arms for combat that you still have is somehow not really disarming you, because you still have hunting rifles and shotguns. And you can bet that if you let them take away your military semi-autos, next on their list will be bolt action rifles, which they will call ‘sniper rifles’ (and By God, that is certainly what they are good for!).”

—“My Personal Pledge of Resistance Against Any Attempt to Disarm Us by Means of an ‘Assault Weapons Ban,’” Oath Keepers website, Dec. 19, 2012

[CrownedSun]

Thanks for all the information, Fox...

...honestly, more than anything else we've been dealing with lately, this is the stuff that has been worrying me lately.

[Fox Lokison]

I'll write more about this when shit settles down because holy fuck, but...



That dude in the center is an Odinist, specifically a white supremacist Odinist. These guys. Who are just straight up fascists and nationalists. They have ties to former and current Nazis as well, and draw from the same sort of beliefs that Hitler did with his Aryan race ideals.

So yeah, fucking hell, that's a thing.

No idea if any others are there but he's been around to a few other protests with his spear, and seems to believe in Q, so that's great.

[Nowherewoman]

*koffkoff*  Yeah, Lot of Master Race material there...

[Missy]

I think the Master Race has an intelligence problem.



They commit treason against the United States of America and did us the favour of collecting and posting the evidence of it online.

The police don't really need to arrest people today, they have the evidence to justify pursuit and arrest of these people; these morons have laid out American law enforcements newest photo album.

[Oniya]

I'll write more about this when shit settles down because holy fuck, but...



That dude in the center is an Odinist, specifically a white supremacist Odinist. These guys. Who are just straight up fascists and nationalists. They have ties to former and current Nazis as well, and draw from the same sort of beliefs that Hitler did with his Aryan race ideals.

So yeah, fucking hell, that's a thing.

No idea if any others are there but he's been around to a few other protests with his spear, and seems to believe in Q, so that's great.

When I saw this shot from another angle, I wasn't sure if I saw horns or a trick of perspective.  At least I know that I did see what I thought I saw.  (Not sure how this makes me feel, but I don't need my glasses checked yet.)

[Fox Lokison]

They think they're the saviors of America, and what they're doing is for the best. I dont think its occured to them that this wont work, or that Trump is leaving office. The grand narrative of success and a greater purpose is part of the white supremacist beliefs. Generally, they think what they're doing is beyond right. Its supernaturally justified, as part of some greater narrative.

In short, I dont think they even realize what they've done. They're completely delusional. Bought into the mythos.

When I saw this shot from another angle, I wasn't sure if I saw horns or a trick of perspective.  At least I know that I did see what I thought I saw.  (Not sure how this makes me feel, but I don't need my glasses checked yet.)

Yeah, it's a Norse headdress that he THINKS makes him look badass -.- It makes him look like a horned chewbacca.

[Oniya]

I'm still not 100% sure if he's wearing a shirt or not.  Skin-tone pants are another bad fashion choice.

[Fox Lokison]

Pants, there's pics from other angles. Though I'm surprised he is tbh.

[Humble Scribe]

Yeah, it's a Norse headdress that he THINKS makes him look badass -.- It makes him look like a horned chewbacca.

I'm afraid everyone in the UK just thought: "I'm not sure about this new direction for Jamiroquai."

[Fox Lokison]

Fuck, I've started looking over who attended this nonsense and I'm already overwhelmed with how many groups, ideologies, and movements were there. IDK if I can even begin to break that all down. This was a conference of nuttery.

[Andol]

What is up with the hat thing... I don't get the reference. Is it some new/old white supremacy I don't know about 

[Fox Lokison]

Do you mean the horned headdress?

[Andol]

Yeah... I thought it was just a horned hat thing, but I am starting to get the feeling it means something else?

[Iniquitous]

Yeah... I thought it was just a horned hat thing, but I am starting to get the feeling it means something else?

It is supposed to be something like a horned Viking helmet (that they never wore) which would, with that tattoo on his side, show that he is an Odinist. As a side note -- I am sick of my religion being hijacked by these fuckwads.

[Andol]

It is supposed to be something like a horned Viking helmet (that they never wore) which would, with that tattoo on his side, show that he is an Odinist. As a side note -- I am sick of my religion being hijacked by these fuckwads.

Thank you for answering my second question is that is this a hijacking of a religion by White Supremacy groups. I read the report Fox proved but was unsure, but yeah... I got your back there... fuck these dudes. 

[Fox Lokison]

It's Ásatrú. They believe in and follow the old Norse gods. A branch of them have gained notoriety for being what's called Odinists. They're white supremacists, and have some pretty fucky beliefs. You can read a bit about them here. Generally speaking, Ásatrú itself is not at all bad. It's just another faith to be practiced. But Odinists have supremacist and racist beliefs that are intertwined with their faith.

It is supposed to be something like a horned Viking helmet (that they never wore) which would, with that tattoo on his side, show that he is an Odinist. As a side note -- I am sick of my religion being hijacked by these fuckwads.

Yes. Ini, do you know all the tattoos mean? I don't recognize the middle one. It looks like Yggdrasil but I really can't tell. I know the valknut, and I think that bottom one is supposed to be Thor's hammer. I'm less versed in those symbols than I'd like.

[Haibane]

When things get to this point, one begins to wonder of "freedom to practice any religion" is a good law to have.

[Fox Lokison]

When things get to this point, one begins to wonder of "freedom to practice any religion" is a good law to have.

This is a very heated subject, because Odinists are legitimately hijacking an existing faith, bastardizing the symbols, and making a mockery of faith as a whole. They're only about 15% of it, and many have come from prisons. If you wanted to stop Odinist, you'd have little way to differentiate them from any other practitioner, for the layman. They try to use the same symbols and rituals. Any attempt to dismantle them could easily harm the rest of the faith, by targeting certain symbols or practices shared by all.

It's beyond frustrating. They've used a legitimate faith to excuse their hate.

[Fox Lokison]

So horned dude is Jake Angeli, he's known as the QAnon shaman. Yes, that's him with Rudy Giuliani. The more I read about this dude, the more I feel like letting out a cathartic yell of rage.

[Andol]

Oh wow... this bruh... That 'Q sent me sign'... That cape... The cosplayer look to him... I think there is a lot to unpack with this asshole, but I believe we can all agree that burning the whole suitcase and throwing it out the window might be better. 

[clonkertink]

When things get to this point, one begins to wonder of "freedom to practice any religion" is a good law to have.

The cure would be worse than the sickness. Freedom of religion is the only thing keeping the Evangelicals from sweeping to power and forcing state-sponsored Christianity down everyone's throats.

Besides, this guy's religion isn't the cause. The hate would be there, religion or no.

[Oniya]

I've seen the tree symbol before at Gathers.  It's a lightly-stylized 'Tree of Life' in a similar fashion to


Not sure what he's got around the outer edges of it.

I think he's also attempting to hijack Native beliefs, because that head-dress looks distinctly buffalo-ish