What's in the News? 2.0

[gaggedLouise]

This whole "Super League" thing is just... stupid. What, people are supposed to watch the same dozen or so teams competing among themselves? What's the upside of it - for the fans, I mean?

People are telling me that the supposed big market for the Super League is in Asia - and perhaps North America too. Places where football isn't a widespread native sport and where people don't care a bit about big national leagues in the game, don't want to watch Tottenham-Leeds, Man City-Fulham or Fiorentina-Atalanta - what they want is showtime with the supposed best teams in the world.

Yes, it's blatantly "football turned big business".

[Sara Nilsson]

This whole "Super League" thing is just... stupid. What, people are supposed to watch the same dozen or so teams competing among themselves? What's the upside of it - for the fans, I mean?

none.

For the owners of the teams? Billions, and surely that is what is important? Not some fans or some players but that already rich people get even richer?

The fact that they didn't even hold a proper press conference to announce it shows that they know the idea is toxic, but the money is more appealing to them

[Haibane]

Two English teams of the six that signed up have now backed out following the huge public outcry at the league, so perhaps it'll be still born.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56823501

[Iniquitous]

2nd degree murder: GUILTY

3rd degree murder: GUILTY

2nd degree manslaughter: GUILTY

[Formless]

This whole "Super League" thing is just... stupid. What, people are supposed to watch the same dozen or so teams competing among themselves? What's the upside of it - for the fans, I mean?

The problem at its core is how the UEFA makes billions out of selling the rights across the world, while giving scraps for the teams.

The teams want to prove that there’s no money without them, so either the UEFA sprinkle more cash, or they split.

Keep in mind this seems like a retaliation to the supposed adjustment to the comletition proposed to take effect in the 2023/2024 season

[Annaamarth]

Welcome to American sports

But nobody wants that. Certainly not Americans*

_{*not all Americans some restrictions apply}

[Beorning]

2nd degree murder: GUILTY

3rd degree murder: GUILTY

2nd degree manslaughter: GUILTY

Chauvin?

[Teo Torriatte]

Chauvin?

Yes. I hope he gets the max penalty. He will be an old man before he gets out of prison and that will be 10000% more consideration than he gave to George Floyd.

[gaggedLouise]

I feel the Minneapolis jury came out with the right verdict, and this is a historical moment - but could someone from the US please explain how Chauvin gets to be listed as guilty on all three counts, when they all refer to the same instance of homicide? In many jurisdictions, if a man is found guilty on the most serious of multiple optional descriptions of the same act, the same substantive felony (like murder vs manslaughter, or driving intoxicated vs being stone cold sober but neglectful of your driving), then the less advanced charges fall off the table because they were not eligible anymore.

[Haibane]

I thought the image of a black man draped in the stars and stripes gives such a very different impression than a white man wearing the same flag. It was that thought that, along with the other elements in the image, made it stand out for me.

[Annaamarth]

I feel the Minneapolis jury came out with the right verdict, and this is a historical moment - but could someone from the US please explain how Chauvin gets to be listed as guilty on all three counts, when they all refer to the same instance of homicide? In many jurisdictions, if a man is found guilty on the most serious of multiple optional descriptions of the same act, the same substantive felony (like murder vs manslaughter, or driving intoxicated vs being stone cold sober but neglectful of your driving), then the less advanced charges fall off the table because they were not eligible anymore.

Not-a-lawyer, but I believe they are inclusive - he will be punished only for the worst offense, but were he to appeal (he will), if the most serious charge is overturned the others stand. Possibly a side-effect of double-jeopardy.

Bear in mind the US is fucking huge, and the fineries of jurisprudence in any given state have little to do with another.

[Lexandria]

I'm also not a laywer, but my understanding is it's at least partially so that the judge can choose to have him serve the sentences for the different counts concurrently or consecutively, giving the option for a longer prison sentence for the crime if convicted of several different counts, as well as what Annaamarth said: if an appeal goes through maybe one of the lesser charges will still stick. The maximum sentence for 2nd Degree Murder is 40 years, 3rd Degree Murder is 25 years, and 10 years for 2nd Degree Manslaughter. So, if he were only convicted of 2nd Degree Murder he might get as much as 40 years. Since he's been convicted of all three, if he serves consecutively and is given the maximum for each count, he'd be looking at 75 years, which is a big difference.

Found this explanation as well:

The key question when it comes to double punishment is whether the convictions arise from the “same conduct.” The basic test is whether the convictions relate to a single act or omission on the defendant’s part. If they do, the ban on double punishment applies. But if the court can say that the defendant had more than one plan or intent, multiple punishments are permitted.

So the jury are saying he is guilty of 'culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk', 'perpetrating and eminently dangerous act and evincing a depraved mind' and also 'unintentional killing while committing a felony'. The way the law is set up, these are three different things all tied to the same act, but they are different aspects that can all be charged on that same act.

[Oniya]

The maximum sentence for 2nd Degree Murder is 40 years, 3rd Degree Murder is 25 years, and 10 years for 2nd Degree Manslaughter. So, if he were only convicted of 2nd Degree Murder he might get as much as 40 years. Since he's been convicted of all three, if he serves consecutively and is given the maximum for each count, he'd be looking at 75 years, which is a big difference.

To be honest, at Chauvin's age, the difference between a 40 year sentence and a 75 year sentence isn't all that big.  He'd be 85 at the end of 40 years.

[Annaamarth]

Killer cop in prison? He might be lucky to last ten.

[gaggedLouise]

To be honest, at Chauvin's age, the difference between a 40 year sentence and a 75 year sentence isn't all that big.  He'd be 85 at the end of 40 years.

One has certainly heard of people who were sentenced to, like, eight hundred years in jail, for multiple murders or grave acts of fraud that conned many individuals. Interesting logistical challenge when it's an old man. 

Killer cop in prison? He might be lucky to last ten.

Someone commented on CNN half an hour before the verdict: "he will likely be remanded /taken to jail/ immediately if he is found guilty - perhaps for his own safety".

[Callie Del Noire]

To be honest, at Chauvin's age, the difference between a 40 year sentence and a 75 year sentence isn't all that big.  He'd be 85 at the end of 40 years.

I.l be honestly surprised if he’s sentenced to ten years.

[Haibane]

I thought the image of a black man draped in the stars and stripes gives such a very different impression than a white man wearing the same flag. It was that thought that, along with the other elements in the image, made it stand out for me.

My apologies if that came out sounding wrong. When I said "white man wearing the same flag" I was thinking specifically of the people we saw wearing it at the Capitol on 6th January. My bad for not explaining this better first time.

[Annaamarth]

... I understood you, but that may have been presumptuous in retrospect.

Accurately presumptuous is still presumption.

[Haibane]

I never presumed you were being presumptuous, sir.

[gaggedLouise]

The idea of a Super League looks all but dead, after most of the teams have jumped ship. 

[Beorning]

The idea of a Super League looks all but dead, after most of the teams have jumped ship. 

Heh heh heh. 

On more distressing note, Putin issues some harsh warnings toward the West:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56828813

I remember that, years ago, Poland and other Central / Eastern European countries were being accused of being Russia-phobic. I wonder where the Western politicians that did so are now..?

[Haibane]

"Mr Putin said Western powers were constantly trying to "pick on" Russia."

Probably because he keeps invading other countries, clandestinely supporting Ukrainian rebels, supports the evil Syrian regime, sends anti-aircraft missile launchers to shoot down civil airliners, uses assassination as a tool of state in other countries and is generally an evil person.

[The Lovely Tsaritsa]

clandestinely supporting Ukrainian rebels

This isnt “evil”. Many in Donbass, want being part of Russia, not Ukraine. This, its very complacated, for many years. “Evil Russia only wants invading west Ukraine” though isnt correct, even if US and Europe news likes for telling this story.

[TheGlyphstone]

This isnt “evil”. Many in Donbass, want being part of Russia, not Ukraine. This, its very complacated, for many years. “Evil Russia only wants invading west Ukraine” though isnt correct, even if US and Europe news likes for telling this story.

I think its more the 'clandestine' part that is bad. Mr Putin lies and says he is not helping the rebels, but then secretly sends them weapons and tanks and ammunition.

[TheGlyphstone]

Not that people wouldn't still criticize him for helping rebels, but at least then he would be backing them honestly.