You are either not logged in or not registered with our community. Click here to register.
 
December 07, 2016, 06:18:18 PM

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length

Click here if you are having problems.
Default Wide Screen Beige Lilac Rainbow Black & Blue October Send us your theme!

Hark!  The Herald!
Holiday Issue 2016

Wiki Blogs Dicebot

Author Topic: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?  (Read 5976 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Renegade VileTopic starter

SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« on: May 09, 2016, 05:47:05 AM »
Just thought I would share Sargon's latest video here:


While he does say he's not trying to cause panic, I do wonder if things are quite as bad as that in the sense that, how many people really prescribe to the SJW mentality? Hardcore that is? I've never really been able to find any reliable figures on how many people take to these opinions, and how many of them actually have their opinions listened to. I get that his point is that it starts from education and works its way up, and the more I personally read about these courses' curricula, the more I definitely get a "brainwashing cult" feel from it all, but how many people really walk away from it believing a word they just read?

Food for thought, I suppose.

Offline Far eyes

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2016, 06:22:51 AM »
I occasionally end up looking over his channel, he is part of the skeptical community (Loose term here) so there is some cross section with other outlets sites on YT i do follow.

I feel like he has a point as in its being taught in a some what totalitarian way, any set of suppositions that can not be questioned because if you do then you are the enemy is one that raises several kind of red flags with me. I am not sure how actually wide spread it is besides MTV drowning in its own bullshit (Aint that sad, i actually do not mean that in a sarcastic tone) but as an ideology it is very bad at self correction because of how much of a fortress mentality it has inbuilt, because remember anybody who is not unquestioningly for you is the enemy and they are all these nasty names and not only should you not listen to them but you should not let them speak. I am very leery of any Ideology that teaches you that you can be a total fucking asshole but its ok because you are in the right. Or that X and Y people can not be racist or sexist because we are going to re define terms until we can somehow mind bend it into something that from space looks like logic.   

It is also an ideological construct that can be very appealing to teens unsurprisingly as it deals in total truths. Honestly its taking on some of the hallmarks of a religion, i am not saying religion is bad in the hands of a responsible adult but it is dogmatic and requires reflection to be used wisely. 

Offline Renegade VileTopic starter

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2016, 06:30:40 AM »
I occasionally end up looking over his channel, he is part of the skeptical community (Loose term here) so there is some cross section with other outlets sites on YT i do follow.

I watch most of his videos. I tend to agree with a lot of what he has to say, usually on these subjects, since I prescribe to the notion that all of these identities and the politics surrounding it shouldn't matter when looking at someone's competences. Meritocracy is the way to go.

I feel like he has a point as in its being taught in a some what totalitarian way, any set of suppositions that can not be questioned because if you do then you are the enemy is one that raises several kind of red flags with me.

Very true. As with many of their tactics, all of this is ideal for shutting a conversation down before it even starts.

I am not sure how actually wide spread it is besides MTV drowning in its own bullshit (Aint that sad, i actually do not mean that in a sarcastic tone) but as an ideology it is very bad at self correction because of how much of a fortress mentality it has inbuilt, because remember anybody who is not unquestioningly for you is the enemy and they are all these nasty names and not only should you not listen to them but you should not let them speak.

I've never been fond of MTV to begin with, but it really has gone off the deep end in recent years, hasn't it?

I am very leery of any Ideology that teaches you that you can be a total fucking asshole but its ok because you are in the right. Or that X and Y people can not be racist or sexist because we are going to re define terms until we can somehow mind bend it into something that from space looks like logic.   

Mental gymnastics, as it's often called.

It is also an ideological construct that can be very appealing to teens unsurprisingly as it deals in total truths. Honestly its taking on some of the hallmarks of a religion, i am not saying religion is bad in the hands of a responsible adult but it is dogmatic and requires reflection to be used wisely.

Or students, since a lot of students tend to get rather opinionated the moment they hit 18 and believe the world is theirs to change. Reality eventually slaps them across the face, of course, but until then they'll make asses out of themselves.
And parallels between social justice, feminism, black lives matter and other organizations like them, and religion have been made many times so far.

Offline Scribbles

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2016, 07:21:58 AM »
I'm not certain Malema, Qwabe, et al, are a product of this Social Justice ideology he's going on about; I feel they simply use it so push their respective agendas. They're mostly symptoms of a larger problem, a fact that African countries have extreme gaps in quality of life between classes. This naturally makes the people angry; they want something, or someone, to blame. And so those in leadership say, "Well, it's not us to blame, even if we are involved in obscene amounts of maladministration and corruption, but rather it's the evil west, or the evil whites, or the evil media, or the evil private sector, or the evil intellectual, or the evil ambiguous force, and so on..."

And the masses, having no access to proper information, gobble it all up, likely for years on end. It doesn't help that there are plenty of real racists that are happy to inadvertently drive in such notions. So I disagree that Oxford shaped their thoughts but instead I feel they were shaped by where they came from...

At best, these people utilize tools created by SJWs, such as the attempt to redefine the term "racist" so you can say "kill all white people" with a clean conscience; now revolutionary as opposed to racist. Beyond that I doubt they even spare social justice a passing thought as they do so. Also, it sounds as if he's implying that SJWs or Marxists believe they're liberals but most people I've met that campaigned in the name of either use the term "liberal" like a curse word. It almost sounds as if they hate liberals because a true liberal will stand up for either side, depending on the circumstance, rather than simply pick a side and stick with it even if it compromises their principles.

Otherwise, I agree with most of what he said, although as a warning I was only paying partial attention. I highly doubt the university will pull important courses simply because a few voices find them offensive. And on a similar note, they've already implied that they won't retract Qwabe's degree and I agree, they shouldn't; it would be hypocritical. Universities shouldn't stifle offensive, controversial or diverging opinions as they'd find their time better spent by having such arguments refuted through dialogue, out in the open, where they MIGHT actually sway minds. Certainly a better option than forcibly muffling anything they don't agree with and creating some kind of bizarre martyr, or leaving dangerous thoughts to go unspoken and silently fester.

I have one question regarding the video, probably a really silly one, but are there REALLY social justice classes or is he implying that current courses subtly teach it?

Offline Renegade VileTopic starter

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2016, 07:35:24 AM »
I'm not certain Malema, Qwabe, et al, are a product of this Social Justice ideology he's going on about; I feel they simply use it so push their respective agendas. They're mostly symptoms of a larger problem, a fact that African countries have extreme gaps in quality of life between classes. This naturally makes the people angry; they want something, or someone, to blame. And so those in leadership say, "Well, it's not us to blame, even if we are involved in obscene amounts of maladministration and corruption, but rather it's the evil west, or the evil whites, or the evil media, or the evil private sector, or the evil intellectual, or the evil ambiguous force, and so on..."

I don't think they are necessarily either, but they're pushing the same overall agenda, if only from a different point of view. It all stems from the same sort of warped thinking if you follow their reasoning far enough.

And the masses, having no access to proper information, gobble it all up, likely for years on end. It doesn't help that there are plenty of real racists that are happy to inadvertently drive in such notions. So I disagree that Oxford shaped their thoughts but instead I feel they were shaped by where they came from...

And let's not forget the part social media plays in perpetuating misinformation. The amount of sources online that can be trusted as opposed to the amount that cannot is likely a pitiable comparison.

At best, these people utilize tools created by SJWs, such as the attempt to redefine the term "racist" so you can say "kill all white people" with a clean conscience; now revolutionary as opposed to racist. Beyond that I doubt they even spare social justice a passing thought as they do so. Also, it sounds as if he's implying that SJWs or Marxists believe they're liberals but most people I've met that campaigned in the name of either use the term "liberal" like a curse word. It almost sounds as if they hate liberals because a true liberal will stand up for either side, depending on the circumstance, rather than simply pick a side and stick with it even if it compromises their principles.

Some do still attribute the word liberal to themselves, but few. He's actually referring to those who have not really been following the social justice shtick and just assume they are liberals proclaiming liberal ideas. It's not so much ignorance as just having better things to do then follow all of this *chuckles*, but he's stressing the point that they are anything but liberals.

Otherwise, I agree with most of what he said, although as a warning I was only paying partial attention. I highly doubt the university will pull important courses simply because a few voices find them offensive. And on a similar note, they've already implied that they won't retract Qwabe's degree and I agree, they shouldn't; it would be hypocritical. Universities shouldn't stifle offensive, controversial or diverging opinions as they'd find their time better spent by having such arguments refuted through dialogue, out in the open, where they MIGHT actually sway minds. Certainly a better option than forcibly muffling anything they don't agree with and creating some kind of bizarre martyr, or leaving dangerous thoughts to go unspoken and silently fester.

I don't think they should retract Qwabe's degree either, but Sargon didn't give his own opinion on that himself, he just pointed at the article talking about that petition. Much like him, I believe that any opinion, no matter how offensive or stupid, should be expressed, so it can be studied, discussed and then judged. Of course, the typical SJW will have shut down the conversation long before then, whether the subjects are their own beliefs or those they disagree with; counterproductive in both cases.
Bad ideas will make themselves apparent under scrutiny, and people were learn lessons from it. Keeping it all hush-hush will only allow misinformation to continue.

I have one question regarding the video, probably a really silly one, but are there REALLY social justice classes or is he implying that current courses subtly teach it?

Not a silly one at all, as I could scarcely believe it myself when I first looked it up. Yes, there are. A few videos back he posted a list of a search he did of a lot of major US and UK universities. Almost all of the ones he went through had Social Justice courses. So not influences through other subjects, no no, actual courses on social justice.
Tumblr had to get the idea from somewhere, after all.
You should Google for yourself and have a look through the curriculum of some of these. His list also included some where it wasn't overtly apparent whether the ideas presented were regressive or not, but among the majority they were. Some of the ones I looked up almost sounded like cults advocating for death camps. Creepy stuff.
But, because of how extreme some of it is, I am left to wonder how many people actually prescribe to it; hence the initial post.

Online Lustful Bride

  • "Logic is for Squares."
  • Lady
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2014
  • Gender: Female
  • This is some personal text. There are many like it, but this one is mine!
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2016, 09:22:33 AM »
I'm not certain Malema, Qwabe, et al, are a product of this Social Justice ideology he's going on about; I feel they simply use it so push their respective agendas. They're mostly symptoms of a larger problem, a fact that African countries have extreme gaps in quality of life between classes. This naturally makes the people angry; they want something, or someone, to blame. And so those in leadership say, "Well, it's not us to blame, even if we are involved in obscene amounts of maladministration and corruption, but rather it's the evil west, or the evil whites, or the evil media, or the evil private sector, or the evil intellectual, or the evil ambiguous force, and so on..."

And the masses, having no access to proper information, gobble it all up, likely for years on end. It doesn't help that there are plenty of real racists that are happy to inadvertently drive in such notions. So I disagree that Oxford shaped their thoughts but instead I feel they were shaped by where they came from...

At best, these people utilize tools created by SJWs, such as the attempt to redefine the term "racist" so you can say "kill all white people" with a clean conscience; now revolutionary as opposed to racist. Beyond that I doubt they even spare social justice a passing thought as they do so. Also, it sounds as if he's implying that SJWs or Marxists believe they're liberals but most people I've met that campaigned in the name of either use the term "liberal" like a curse word. It almost sounds as if they hate liberals because a true liberal will stand up for either side, depending on the circumstance, rather than simply pick a side and stick with it even if it compromises their principles.

Otherwise, I agree with most of what he said, although as a warning I was only paying partial attention. I highly doubt the university will pull important courses simply because a few voices find them offensive. And on a similar note, they've already implied that they won't retract Qwabe's degree and I agree, they shouldn't; it would be hypocritical. Universities shouldn't stifle offensive, controversial or diverging opinions as they'd find their time better spent by having such arguments refuted through dialogue, out in the open, where they MIGHT actually sway minds. Certainly a better option than forcibly muffling anything they don't agree with and creating some kind of bizarre martyr, or leaving dangerous thoughts to go unspoken and silently fester.

I have one question regarding the video, probably a really silly one, but are there REALLY social justice classes or is he implying that current courses subtly teach it?

Just about everything I would have said, you just did it better.

The whole Social Justice movement is full of hypocrisy and idiocy that end up making other more noble causes (Like Equality for women and minorities) look violent, psychotic etc. Seriously, its like this whole mindset was made just to ruin hundreds of years of social progress and set us back.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2016, 10:58:19 AM by Lustful Bride »

Offline Maiz

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2016, 11:32:18 AM »
"You can spot a racist because they are the first to bring up race in any conversation."->in response to someone critiquing how white men dominate positions of power despite not reflecting demographics. recordscratch. (i skipped past the opening though so)

nah, i don't got time to fuck with this fucking 22 minute video lol

edit: so i jumped around the video and some thoughts:
-one is an analysis of power (sadiq khan), the other is someone being an asshole (qwabe).
-"magic of collectivism"??? sooooo much anti-red fearmongering it distracts from everything else. also a conflation of socialism and communism.
-why does it hurt anyone to say "just a heads up there are scenes in the movie ppl might find upsetting." who does that hurt? lmao
-"lgbti rights who know what 'i' is anyway". apparently the i is for ignorance. he couldnt even be bothered to google
-what is wrong with a module about diversity/inclusivity? going to college often means encountering people you have never met before. i think a module about that is great.

basically this video is your standard grumbling ahistorical* youtuber

*ahistorical in that the person has no idea abt past social justice movements and assumes it was all made by zoe quinn or obama or whatever
« Last Edit: May 09, 2016, 11:46:43 AM by Maiz »

Offline Renegade VileTopic starter

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2016, 11:53:21 AM »
"You can spot a racist because they are the first to bring up race in any conversation."->in response to someone critiquing how white men dominate positions of power despite not reflecting demographics. recordscratch. (i skipped past the opening though so)

His point is that race has precious little to do with it.

nah, i don't got time to fuck with this fucking 22 minute video lol

edit: so i jumped around the video and some thoughts:

You really should just watch the video before commenting...

-one is an analysis of power (sadiq khan), the other is someone being an asshole (qwabe).

It's This Week In Stupid, he's going to be jumping from one topic to another, to get any in-depth from him, watch videos on specific subjects.

-"magic of collectivism"??? sooooo much anti-red fearmongering it distracts from everything else. also a conflation of socialism and communism.

He's not fearmongering, merely alluding to his opinion on collectivism.

-why does it hurt anyone to say "just a heads up there are scenes in the movie ppl might find upsetting." who does that hurt? lmao

Quite a few people were whining, so someone yes.

-"lgbti rights who know what 'i' is anyway". apparently the i is for ignorance. he couldnt even be bothered to google

Because he's making light of how impossible it has become to keep up with these terms, because even people within and without the LGBT community cannot agree on these matters anymore.

-what is wrong with a module about diversity/inclusivity? going to college often means encountering people you have never met before. i think a module about that is great.

Oh, you'd know what was wrong with it if you'd look into what modules of diversity/inclusivity actually propose... Google it, as you've said he should LGBTI.

basically this video is your standard grumbling ahistorical* youtuber

Based on one video, that you did not watch in its entirety.

*ahistorical in that the person has no idea abt past social justice movements and assumes it was all made by zoe quinn or obama or whatever

Again, you base this on one video and immediately make your own assumptions about someone else making assumptions. Okay.

Online Lustful Bride

  • "Logic is for Squares."
  • Lady
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2014
  • Gender: Female
  • This is some personal text. There are many like it, but this one is mine!
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2016, 12:01:11 PM »
Okay after further watching, everyone in that videos is giving me headaches, both the guy talking and the people in the actual video.

I will just go with the more political approach of I hate everyone equally. (Though the guy talking really comes off as an asshole. Id prefer something more analytical, but I cant draw a good comparison.)

It would all be so much simpler if everyone in the world realized that this kind of bickering, backstabbing and bullshitting was beyond stupid.

To somewhat borrow some phrasing from Rick Sanchez. “All humans (even me) are pieces of shit and I only value other people by how little of a pain in my ass they are.”

(So far everyone here on E rates a 0 so you are all like living saints to me, I love each and everyone of you.)

Offline Maiz

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2016, 12:02:15 PM »
His point is that race has precious little to do with it.

You really should just watch the video before commenting...

It's This Week In Stupid, he's going to be jumping from one topic to another, to get any in-depth from him, watch videos on specific subjects.

He's not fearmongering, merely alluding to his opinion on collectivism.

Quite a few people were whining, so someone yes.

Because he's making light of how impossible it has become to keep up with these terms, because even people within and without the LGBT community cannot agree on these matters anymore.

Oh, you'd know what was wrong with it if you'd look into what modules of diversity/inclusivity actually propose... Google it, as you've said he should LGBTI.

Based on one video, that you did not watch in its entirety.

Again, you base this on one video and immediately make your own assumptions about someone else making assumptions. Okay.

thats nice he doesnt think race has anything to do with it. i disagree. its obvious to me that if white men dominate a government board when the population is not dominantly white and male that theres something going on there...

he definitely is fearmongering about socialism. you can tell because of how he lumps communism and socialism together and then to purges.

hes making light of people who are intersex. that's pretty shit behavior.

ive worked at a university, i know what modules on diversity/inclusivity look like and most people are alright with them since it makes for interactions that are more friendly. (example: someone comes from a small town where out lgbt people are not known or are known only by slurs so they dont know respectful terminology. so, they see a module on lgbt people and learn something and we avoid any unpleasant (hopefully) situations where they use a slur on accident/because they didnt know the right terminology)

i'd rather not watch more of his videos and give him views nor do i want to to write a book on his work. i got a pretty representative look of his views from this one video. i know he thinks racism isn't real, thinks "sjws" are a thing, hates socialism, etc. why would i want to watch more?

Online Lustful Bride

  • "Logic is for Squares."
  • Lady
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2014
  • Gender: Female
  • This is some personal text. There are many like it, but this one is mine!
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2016, 12:07:39 PM »
Quote
hes making light of people who are intersex. that's pretty shit behavior

Never attribute to Malice that which can adequately be explained by Ignorance.

Quote
i know he thinks racism isn't real, thinks "sjws" are a thing, hates socialism, etc. why would i want to watch more?

Racism is very much indeed real and a problem which could doom humanity, im with you there.

But SJWs are also a thing, just not some organized planned out group like people think they are. Just a bunch of hypocrites and soft skinned people who cant handle the real world and would rather burn bridges and throw tantrums than actually work to better the world for everyone, instead of shunning out the ideas they don't like or oppinions that don't put forth their agenda. And if you complain about them you are obviously indoctrinated by the patriarchy or upset of someone questioning your 'Privilege' an they plug their ears and don't listen to anything that could oppose their thougths.

Sadly 'Social Justice Warrior' has become a catch all term for people and ends up muddying the water for those who actually want to do good as they end up being the baby tossed out with the bathwater.

As for Socialism, some socialism is bad other is good. Like how 100% Capitalism is chaos and 100%Communism is also chaos. You know what I mean?

We cant have everything being one sided, balance or a relaxed mix is good and what is needed.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2016, 12:20:09 PM by Lustful Bride »

Offline Far eyes

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2016, 12:25:09 PM »
Do you believe that your interests can not be represented by somebody of a different sex or race? Because as long as they are competent at there job and i can expect representation from them personally i can not give 2 fucks if they are male, female, black, white, green tall or short. And i especially dont care what makes them go whoopy in there personal life.   

---
Communism is a failed system, this is coming from somebody who lived there, if i really want i can dig up a picture of me when i was 7 with a little cap and a red star on it very cute. It is a system that fails at self correction, democracies self correction is messy but at least there are moments for it so any one individual can only fuck it up so bad.   

Socialism, some can be useful but you have to be careful with it. Because a lot of it will brake your back Socialism is like medication if one makes you healthy it dos not mean taking all the pills is going to make you super healthy, you will die on an overdose

Offline Maiz

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2016, 12:56:34 PM »
Do you believe that your interests can not be represented by somebody of a different sex or race? Because as long as they are competent at there job and i can expect representation from them personally i can not give 2 fucks if they are male, female, black, white, green tall or short. And i especially dont care what makes them go whoopy in there personal life.   

---
Communism is a failed system, this is coming from somebody who lived there, if i really want i can dig up a picture of me when i was 7 with a little cap and a red star on it very cute. It is a system that fails at self correction, democracies self correction is messy but at least there are moments for it so any one individual can only fuck it up so bad.   

Socialism, some can be useful but you have to be careful with it. Because a lot of it will brake your back Socialism is like medication if one makes you healthy it dos not mean taking all the pills is going to make you super healthy, you will die on an overdose

Yes, they can be represented by people of different genders, races, sexualities, etc. But there is a problem when only certain genders and certain races are allowed to represent everyone else.

Capitalism is also a failed system. I did not advocate for communism anywhere. I just despise the way that communism/socialism are conflated together in order to fearmonger.

Online Lustful Bride

  • "Logic is for Squares."
  • Lady
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2014
  • Gender: Female
  • This is some personal text. There are many like it, but this one is mine!
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2016, 12:59:29 PM »
Capitalism is also a failed system. I did not advocate for communism anywhere. I just despise the way that communism/socialism are conflated together in order to fearmonger.

I feel he was mostly talking to me when he brought up Communism/Socialism.

To be fair its not as if there wasn't precedent either way. Though its not like Capitalists (Or any group in the world for the matter) have a monopoly on good behavior. But neither does anyone group have a monopoly on bad behavior. :P *shrug*

Offline Renegade VileTopic starter

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2016, 01:00:37 PM »
thats nice he doesnt think race has anything to do with it. i disagree. its obvious to me that if white men dominate a government board when the population is not dominantly white and male that theres something going on there...

You do know that the majority of people in the US and Europe are white, right? So you are going to end up with a majority in other locations. But why do you instantly grasp to something as arbitrary as skin color for the reasons behind these discrepancies? Why isn't it a lack of education opportunities due to poverty? That's a real problem in poorer places in America. Additionally, if being white is all you need to be, why are so many white people in America impoverished along with everyone else? This is less a case of skin color and more a case of rich people being rich, which has precious little to do with race.

he definitely is fearmongering about socialism. you can tell because of how he lumps communism and socialism together and then to purges.

Okay.

hes making light of people who are intersex. that's pretty shit behavior.

He is not making light of people who are intersex, he is making light of the situation with these acronyms. Significant difference.

ive worked at a university, i know what modules on diversity/inclusivity look like and most people are alright with them since it makes for interactions that are more friendly. (example: someone comes from a small town where out lgbt people are not known or are known only by slurs so they dont know respectful terminology. so, they see a module on lgbt people and learn something and we avoid any unpleasant (hopefully) situations where they use a slur on accident/because they didnt know the right terminology)

Yes, that is what such a module should be, but if run on social justice and made mandatory, it's easy to see how these things can start getting warped. Seriously warped.

i'd rather not watch more of his videos and give him views nor do i want to to write a book on his work. i got a pretty representative look of his views from this one video. i know he thinks racism isn't real, thinks "sjws" are a thing, hates socialism, etc. why would i want to watch more?

*snorts* Doesn't think racism is real? He's said many times that racism is still ap roblem, in the West and everyone else in the globe. Again, you're just spouting these things without even bothering to know the person. As for socialism, only when it takes on certain forms, which is definitely a healthy outlook. SJWs are a thing, I'm skeptical that they're anywhere near as big a thing as he makes them out to be, hence my first post, but yes, they are a thing.



Never attribute to Malice that which can adequately be explained by Ignorance.

See above.

Racism is very much indeed real and a problem which could doom humanity, im with you there.

He does not think any differently. However, he does have a problem with people attributing every problem in their lives and those of others to racism, in the absence of proof.

But SJWs are also a thing, just not some organized planned out group like people think they are. Just a bunch of hypocrites and soft skinned people who cant handle the real world and would rather burn bridges and throw tantrums than actually work to better the world for everyone, instead of shunning out the ideas they don't like or oppinions that don't put forth their agenda. And if you complain about them you are obviously indoctrinated by the patriarchy or upset of someone questioning your 'Privilege' an they plug their ears and don't listen to anything that could oppose their thougths.

Which is precisely what he says.

Sadly 'Social Justice Warrior' has become a catch all term for people and ends up muddying the water for those who actually want to do good as they end up being the baby tossed out with the bathwater.

This is also sadly true.

As for Socialism, some socialism is bad other is good. Like how 100% Capitalism is chaos and 100%Communism is also chaos. You know what I mean?

Precisely.

We cant have everything being one sided, balance or a relaxed mix is good and what is needed.

Middle of the road tends to be the pragmatic solution. But good luck getting that to catch on.



Do you believe that your interests can not be represented by somebody of a different sex or race? Because as long as they are competent at there job and i can expect representation from them personally i can not give 2 fucks if they are male, female, black, white, green tall or short. And i especially dont care what makes them go whoopy in there personal life.   

But therein lies the problem, some people want positive discrimination, which does away completely with the concept of merit. Everyone, white and otherwise, should not give two fucks what skin color someone has or what sexuality, but neither the regressive left, nor the conservative right seem to be able to let it go.
But yes, some people think that you cannot represent someone's interest unless you share skin color. Which is just as racist as anything else, since it once again implies skin color defines a person, their views and their background. Which it most certainly does not.

---
Communism is a failed system, this is coming from somebody who lived there, if i really want i can dig up a picture of me when i was 7 with a little cap and a red star on it very cute. It is a system that fails at self correction, democracies self correction is messy but at least there are moments for it so any one individual can only fuck it up so bad.   

They do say that democracy is the least bad form of government we can conceive of...

Offline Renegade VileTopic starter

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2016, 01:02:27 PM »
Yes, they can be represented by people of different genders, races, sexualities, etc. But there is a problem when only certain genders and certain races are allowed to represent everyone else.

Why? I'm not saying we should not include other genders, races and sexualities, but why is seeing a room full instantly a conspiracy and institutionalized racism?

Capitalism is also a failed system. I did not advocate for communism anywhere. I just despise the way that communism/socialism are conflated together in order to fearmonger.

Works a damn sight better than our alternatives.

Online Lustful Bride

  • "Logic is for Squares."
  • Lady
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2014
  • Gender: Female
  • This is some personal text. There are many like it, but this one is mine!
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2016, 01:07:57 PM »
We should make our own group, call it the Humanists or the Equalists, and one of our main tenants should be rationality. Cause being rational is going the way of the Dodo bird if you ask me.

Offline Renegade VileTopic starter

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2016, 01:09:24 PM »
We should make our own group, call it the Humanists or the Equalists, and one of our main tenants should be rationality. Cause being rational is going the way of the Dodo bird if you ask me.

I think it went the way of the Dodo when man discovered they could think. Because for every person that proceeded to think, there were three others who chose not to.

Offline Scribbles

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2016, 01:10:48 PM »
We should make our own group, call it the Humanists or the Equalists, and one of our main tenants should be rationality. Cause being rational is going the way of the Dodo bird if you ask me.

What about us Anarchists, who else is going to fight for the right to par-teh?



Sorry, am taking thread seriously, just trying to play catch-up!

Online Lustful Bride

  • "Logic is for Squares."
  • Lady
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2014
  • Gender: Female
  • This is some personal text. There are many like it, but this one is mine!
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2016, 01:11:31 PM »
What about us Anarchists, who else is going to fight for the right to par-teh?

Why else would we have Burning Man and such? :P

Offline Renegade VileTopic starter

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2016, 01:13:25 PM »
What about us Anarchists, who else is going to fight for the right to par-teh?

I agree, I need to be able to go streaking drunk down the street if I want to! Laws be damned!



Sorry, am taking thread seriously, just trying to play catch-up!

Nowhere does it say it has to be serious and doom and gloom all the time, so feel free to quip.

Online Lustful Bride

  • "Logic is for Squares."
  • Lady
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2014
  • Gender: Female
  • This is some personal text. There are many like it, but this one is mine!
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2016, 01:16:11 PM »
I agree, I need to be able to go streaking drunk down the street if I want to! Laws be damned!



Nowhere does it say it has to be serious and doom and gloom all the time, so feel free to quip.

Never!
Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide

Offline Renegade VileTopic starter

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2016, 01:22:17 PM »
Never!
Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide

Can you ask your friend to come clean up Brussels for us?
Much obliged.

Offline Maiz

Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2016, 01:38:24 PM »
You do know that the majority of people in the US and Europe are white, right? So you are going to end up with a majority in other locations. But why do you instantly grasp to something as arbitrary as skin color for the reasons behind these discrepancies? Why isn't it a lack of education opportunities due to poverty? That's a real problem in poorer places in America. Additionally, if being white is all you need to be, why are so many white people in America impoverished along with everyone else? This is less a case of skin color and more a case of rich people being rich, which has precious little to do with race.

Yes, that is what such a module should be, but if run on social justice and made mandatory, it's easy to see how these things can start getting warped. Seriously warped.

He does not think any differently. However, he does have a problem with people attributing every problem in their lives and those of others to racism, in the absence of proof.

Yes, overall in the US and Europe the majority is white, but when you break it down there are places within both where this is not the case and yet still the people in power are white. Like Sadiq Khan's comment about the transport board in London. (Also, in the US at least, white men are over represented in Congress and the Senate). Not to mention people from different backgrounds bring up different ways of solving issues and probems. We need a diversity in thought and outlooks. You are also arguing against arguments that I never made here ;)

Your insistence that social justice is all bad is very confusing. I suggest you look up the history of the term, movements, etc besides what people like this youtuber present. Ignore internet "social justice" and people who do shit just for themselves and instead read about rich histories of different activist groups who have fought over decades and centuries for things like welfare rights, the right to vote, against colonial powers, for a fair wage, against child labor, etc.

Why? I'm not saying we should not include other genders, races and sexualities, but why is seeing a room full instantly a conspiracy and institutionalized racism?

I don't think its a conspiracy but I do think its a sign of institutional racism when the people with power have always been one section of the demographic. How does that happen "naturally"?

Online Lustful Bride

  • "Logic is for Squares."
  • Lady
  • Enchanter
  • *
  • Join Date: Jun 2014
  • Gender: Female
  • This is some personal text. There are many like it, but this one is mine!
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: SJW Courses and Potential Damage?
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2016, 01:40:16 PM »
(Also, in the US at least, white men are over represented in Congress and the Senate

I stopped believing that congress actually represented the country long ago. They just represent the Rich and influential, no one else. Their only real care is about the green. $$$$

If they actually gave two shits about the Country and the people in it, the Veterans Hospitals wouldn't be so fucking broken and incompetent. Jesus they border on being third world hospitals sometimes, its ridiculous.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2016, 01:42:47 PM by Lustful Bride »