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Offline ZoophilianTopic starter

O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« on: April 26, 2010, 04:57:34 PM »
Under so much international pressure from feminist that they have Banned All Loli (Underage) Content from their games, hentais, Movies and so on. And games such as Rapelay have brought down a righteous fury to the extend that all jpn sites that sell games internationally will now Track Ip's and block all users that arnt locate din Japan. Thank you soccer moms of the so called free world for finally censoring the most morally free country in the world.

But I digress >> My own hatred for Censorship gets the better of me, If one likes Loli or not this is a sad day for anyone who likes Hentai or even normal Anime or manga, Example being this. They are Editing, removing and cutting up existing anime, The new Evangelion series, We all know the scene, Asuka and our hero. They want to remove entire chunks of the series since it often shows our female heroes nude. (Rumors say they will throw and adult rating on it to get around it but its doubtful).

What are your thoughts on this? If this law had passed a few years back we would of never had Sailormoon or Ranma even a few other series with innocent Pantsu scenes. For those who dont know, Pantsu is a tag given to a series when it had many Upskirt shots of a girls panty's. Sure it's tame and innocent in anime but its only one of the things that will be banned with the new law.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2010, 05:11:33 PM by Zoophilian »

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Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 01:51:20 AM »
Ok so they are going to block these imaginary things just because the rest of the world's moral doesn't approve? Actually I'm not ok with this. None of these things are for real, it is games, animated movies, comics what have you but still, it is not real and just banning something because you don't like it is just... bad. What this will result is that since you can't get it - and don't kid yourself some people have these kinks and want to get that thing scratched and I would prefer if those people did that by watching Loli or hentai than go out practising it in RL.

Censorship is never good.

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Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2010, 02:29:52 AM »
To be fair, I agree with this censorship.  Although I usually hate the idea of something being edited, cut or blocked entirely, I think anime has been pushing the boundaries for years.  Anime is primarly for kids, what if they accidently got their hands on some of the more hardcore shows?

Offline Sabby

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2010, 03:39:17 AM »
This is the same issue as video games. Some mislead people out there think its primarily for kids, so they must censor the adult oriented media, just in case the kids get at it...

What ever happened to actual parenting skills?

Offline Transgirlenstein

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2010, 06:24:11 AM »
To be fair, I agree with this censorship.  Although I usually hate the idea of something being edited, cut or blocked entirely, I think anime has been pushing the boundaries for years.  Anime is primarly for kids, what if they accidently got their hands on some of the more hardcore shows?

Anime is not primarily for kids, or rather it isn't in Japan.  This thing pisses me off as well.  Can't believe they are doing this ><

Offline ZoophilianTopic starter

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2010, 11:32:44 AM »
Anime isnt just for kids by far, Watch Samurai X, Ninja Scroll, Hell even the more recent gundam are filled with darker elements, Gore, Blood, extreme violence. Code Geass is the best example I can think of as a great anime thats not for kids, Nothing particularly naughty here but its story, We have A war, People against their government, Genocide and so on. I dont think these are things a kid would particularly be interested in, Especially when many episodes are character building meaning slow paced, Anyway. My point is that Anime just like Manga is not just for kids. D-greyman, Death note, Claymore these are Manga not overly sexual but definately not intended for kids. Kids have their pokemon, Yugioh, Japan merely has a different Culture than us, Nudity is more free there while here, Nudity is considered moraly wrong, Even the Church say their priests arnt supposed to be married or engauge in anything pleasurable but this is another subject I wont comment on here.

The point is We are the land of the free, What happend to Freedom? Why are we imposing the will of the Soccer moms, The Bible Thumpers and the Prudes, Who are we to tell another country what they can make and show? The world's slipping, Its going to become a cold dark place where it will be Illegal to drink in public (Isnt it already?) To smoke in public (Hm..). Is it really our place to tell another nation how they can be? I am firmly against Censorship but this is a bit over the top.

Here is a fact many will be shocked with this little fact. Japan is morally free, Nudity, porn, sex. All these things are pretty much everywhere in Japan yet they have nearly double the Poverty rate of us here in the states, Here is the shocker, Are ya listening? Here itis. Japan has the lowest rate of Sexual crimes, The lowest murder rate in the entire world, Compared to us, The united states, We impose and force censor's on our own (And others) Yet we have the highest murder and crime rates in the world (Country's at war aside of course).

Censorship is wrong. If parents have problems with their kids seeing harmless upskirts, Or nudity, Get off yer arse and do alittle parenting. It shouldnt be up to the government to regulate whats on your tv, Or on your kids shelf. >> Bah ill stop now my rant has gone on long enough.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2010, 11:34:00 AM by Zoophilian »

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2010, 06:27:25 PM »
Spoken very well. Bravo.

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Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2010, 06:31:47 PM »
This just pissed me off. I like my Anime. Well I guess I'll have to buy my stuff right quick to get around this. Damn you femenist groups that pulled this shit!

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Offline ZoophilianTopic starter

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2010, 02:32:04 AM »

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Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2010, 01:38:39 PM »
I blame people like this guy:
POKEMON POWER

Offline GeekFury

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2010, 02:29:17 PM »
*Does'nt want to say anything on Religion.*

This is why I'm Athiest.

Offline WhiteyChan

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2010, 02:36:56 PM »
It amuses me that - speaking specifically here about the US film censors, the MPAA, which is slightly off topic but still vaguely relevant I think - in a film, you can show someone's head getting blown to bits by a shotgun and get a PG-13 rating (in some cases, usually its R), but show a bit of boob and you get slapped with a NC-17 rating. I'm grateful that the BBFC (the British equivalent) is a helluva lot more open about everything - Nine Songs, as an example, features real (the actors actually did it) sex, and it got passed at 18, when in the US it would have been instantly slapped with an X or outright banned.

Yeah. It amazes me how some societies are so scared of sex.


PS - if anyone is interested about film censorship in the US, watch This Film is Not Yet Rated - quite an eye-opener.

Offline GeekFury

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2010, 02:45:43 PM »
Is this just a US law? Also is it US feminists complaining or Japanese women? Because if it is just US feminists not to sound offensive but they shouldn't go being the morale police of the world, while I can back the Loli issue, as child porn in any form I find wrong, beyond that as stated anime is not just for kids, even Pokemon was a bit more 'mature' in the original version.

And I agree with Whitey, the BBFC are a lot more open, which makes me glad to be British because I hope this law won't screw up my anime watching. Then again I only watch Hellsing.

Offline ZoophilianTopic starter

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2010, 05:22:58 PM »
The Japanese government under pressure from Us based feminist groups is making this law.

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Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2010, 05:32:10 PM »
Of course this could be Japan's culture just changing. You know maybe the majority of Japanese find rape and whatever have you to be offensive these days.

Oh and Japan censors its stuff too. Resident Evil 4 is actually more violent in America than Japan.

Its a whole cultural thing that is really hard to see when you're looking through the cultural lens of a different nation.

Examples: Germany doesn't like seeing Nazi symbols anywhere. So that's censored.
Japan doesn't like to see atomic bomb stuff so that's censored.
America doesn't like to advertise smoking and drinking in periodicals or in imaged form. So we censor that.

There are so many mores and norms at work here that you can't say. Oh don't ban that just because its violent! True ant-censorship is probably a more terrifying thing than people realize. Hell we censor ourselves as people.

I have always maintained that censorship should only be dictated by good taste but even that is culturally relative and relative from person to person.

EDIT: Even E censors things. Think about it.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2010, 05:34:25 PM by Inkidu »

Offline ZoophilianTopic starter

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2010, 05:35:37 PM »
Game informer did something like that a comparison, Yes, Japan censors more violent and Gory aspects of games and anime, tv and so on while open about nudity, Its reversed here as one poster pointed out a while back, Yeah its okay to show a person being blown up into nice gory bits, A person bathing in blood and so on, But god forbid we show a little nipple or toosh on Tv >_> A brief example of whats censored in japan vs the Us, The cover of the game Left 4 Dead. In the US cover the Zombies thumb was blown off and it was gory you could see the crude details and stuff, In the Jpn release the cover was altered to make the hand normal with the thumb merely tucked under.

I understand why some people believe in censoring things, To protect the rugrats from seeing stuff before they are ready to, But why ruin things for everyone else? Some of us are happy to see blood and gore, Sex and Violence in our prime time tv, I mean we pay enough for cable as it it. To me it shouldnt be up to the goverment or what ever groups to regulate these things, It should be up to the parents. Dont want kids seeing some things? Moniter them, Take that fancy tv out of their bed rooms or computers, Keep them in commen area's.

And Yes Inkidu, It could just be a shift in the cultural normal in Japan, Yet the story comes from various groups, Anime, Manga, and other sources that claim its their governments response to pressure from the outside. I suppose raving about it will do no good, This has been proved countless times over the years, But its nice to discuss such things.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2010, 05:42:18 PM by Zoophilian »

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Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2010, 06:18:29 PM »
*Does'nt want to say anything on Religion.*

This is why I'm Athiest.

I wasn't trying to make this religious issue. I was hoping people would take his whole argument out of the religious context and figure out that this guy is either misinformed, or outright lying and using Pokémon as a scapegoat to scare his congregation into fearing satanism and make their way back to God. Even if some of them are already damned to hell.

The point I'm trying to make is that these so called feminists are phobics trying to impose their will on other people, using rape porn and lolicon as a scapegoat (just like Mr.Preacher siad Pokémon is a downward spiral to satanism.)

Also, the fact that we're not screaming back with the statistics proving the availability of porn is good, is a sad fact in and of itself. (Being unable to find these statistics isn't helping me feel good about it.)

Offline GeekFury

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2010, 06:25:27 PM »
I wasn't trying to make this religious issue. I was hoping people would take his whole argument out of the religious context and figure out that this guy is either misinformed, or outright lying and using Pokémon as a scapegoat to scare his congregation into fearing satanism and make their way back to God. Even if some of them are already damned to hell.

The point I'm trying to make is that these so called feminists are phobics trying to impose their will on other people, using rape porn and lolicon as a scapegoat (just like Mr.Preacher siad Pokémon is a downward spiral to satanism.)

Also, the fact that we're not screaming back with the statistics proving the availability of porn is good, is a sad fact in and of itself. (Being unable to find these statistics isn't helping me feel good about it.)

Thats why I did'nt want to say anything Taken, I'd run off on my people using scapegoats. ( Religion being one of the larger ones with music and sex on their agendas. Atleast here in the UK.) Last time I made a slight joke on religion trying not to be offensive, someone took it as me being malicious.

But I totaly agree, it's stupid, people want something to blame for their fuck ups or their fears. If they don't like it, they could, oh I don't know, NOT FUCKING WATCH IT! *Cough.*

Common sense, they should get some.

Offline ZoophilianTopic starter

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2010, 06:36:54 PM »
Common sense, There is something we could all get behind, But like everything, Everyone has their own sense of well... Sense.

Offline the taken

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2010, 06:39:15 PM »
Common sense, they should get some.

Catch 22. It's not common sense, because if it was, they would have it.

So yeah. What we need is someone that can convince people that these so called feminists are actually terrorists that have come up with an elaborate plot to increase the level of dissension and violence in society.

Offline Cold Heritage

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2010, 06:49:53 PM »
Like me, for example.

I think the prohibition on smoking in public is great. I mean, unless there are new scientific studies out that have disproven the old ones that show secondhand smoke can still give people cancer.

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Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2010, 07:09:46 PM »
Like me, for example.

I think the prohibition on smoking in public is great. I mean, unless there are new scientific studies out that have disproven the old ones that show secondhand smoke can still give people cancer.

Hahaha! The old scientific studies disproved the deadliness of smoking.  Anti-smoking activists just screamed louder.

Pen&Teller:Bullshit

Offline Haibane

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2010, 05:07:46 PM »
People may be jumping the gun here a little. One English translation (and by no means a correct one) of the proposed change in the law is:

"Any character that regardless of actual age has an appearance of being under 18, and has a possibility of causing youths to lust for or possibility of bringing this fantasy to real life, will have to be censored."

(From Canned Dogs.)

The 'causing youths to lust' is probably a result of translation, since youths can be 'caused to lust' by and at lots of things, but in essence what the proposed change seems to be intending is that the depiction of minors in sexual situations is henceforward illegal.

Now, I don't know what the fuss is but that seems like a pretty sensible law to me. I don't see it resulting in mass censorship: the old hentai anime and manga are now all out there on the internet and in people's homes; censoring these will hardly be the end of civilisation. What it will mean is that new hentai anime and manga will no longer be able to depict minors in sexual activities. I'm sure that's the intention of the law - making it illegal to depict minors in non-sexual activities makes zero sense and would be an economic disaster for Japan's comic, book, animated and live action film and video games industries. The country would economically self-destruct. So I do not think it is the intention of this proposed change to do anything but ban the depiction of minors in sexual situations.

Of course there are lots of hentai manga and doujins out there, a thriving industry that *is* based on minors in sexual situations and if that industry is killed off then that's fine by me and fine (I would hope) by any right-thinking adult.

What would be interesting to see is how characters get depicted in hentai manga and anime - the two places lolicon and shotacon material is most commonly found. Hopefully we'll see the end of this child-porn industry and mainstream anime and manga will continue unaffected since the minors depicted therein are not in sexual situations.

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EDIT: Found some more information. Details of the proposed law change:

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/02/28/tokyo-faces-loli-ban/

The proposal has been deferred until the next session of parliament, which customarily means it won't be read again:

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/03/19/tokyo-loli-ban-fails/
« Last Edit: May 04, 2010, 05:47:39 PM by Haibane »

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Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2010, 06:19:20 PM »
Lolicon and Shotacon are one thing. That's the depiction of children in sexual situations. That's gross.

A minor is someone that is not legally responsible for themselves. In most places, that's about 18 years. Last I checked, humans start to become sexually aware around 13 (individual results may vary.) That 5 years is a long time, and creates very different people.

When I was 12 and getting interested in girl's naughty parts, I of course started looking for pictures on the Internet, because actual girls weren't gonna do that kinda stuff. (I have the trauma to prove it.) Mainstream porn didn't appeal to me then. I didn't want to look at 18+ women, because I couldn't relate to them. I wanted to look at girls my age. Guess what I found? Hentai manga about school girls (approximately my age) doing naughty things.

Quite frankly, I find the concept of 30 year old women telling young boys that stories about girls their age being romantically interested in them is wrong to be more disturbing. That's just heart breaking.

And I am imagining it from the girls side too. What kind of young teen girl isn't interested in developing a relationship with the boy sitting across from her in class? Or getting a kiss from the young Tommy Pop Idol of the decade? Making full grown testosterone factories that is the standard 18+ porn star the only option for those young girls to have as their porn source is what this is going to do.

What are your thoughts on this? If this law had passed a few years back we would of never had Sailormoon or Ranma even a few other series with innocent Pantsu scenes. For those who dont know, Pantsu is a tag given to a series when it had many Upskirt shots of a girls panty's. Sure it's tame and innocent in anime but its only one of the things that will be banned with the new law.

Would you rather have an anime girl's panties shown on TV? Or Ted the perv with a camera in his shoes selling videos of actual girl's undergarments in back alley's like a drug dealer.

Fuck you censorship.

And Japan... What happened? You used to be cool.