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Offline Haibane

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2010, 04:09:49 AM »
Lolicon and Shotacon are just manga extensions of the exploitation of prepubescent minors - but the malaise extends to anyone under the age of consent which is 18 in Japan and 16 here in the UK and in Canada and the USA I think. The culture of Japan is widely different to the west, especially with their approach to public nudity (onsen, for example); women's social rights (basically still limited even since WWII and the American occupation) and the sexual representation of minors. Its not reasonable for us in the west to project our social rules onto Japanese culture.

The issue is not with minors being interested in minors (I was exactly the same when I was 13 or so) but with adults being interested in them. That's the problem. And if we censor stuff to prevent the exploitation of minors by adults I'm all in favour of that.

I do not see anything in this proposed (and now, don't forget - shelved) law banning fan service in anime and manga. As long as the characters portrayed are not minors. Its very easy to set an anime or manga story in high school, have fanservice and still have the characters be adults. I expect we would see absolutely zero change in the artwork since most anime schoolgirls of 14 or upwards are presented in a very developed way.

This is purely a Japanese phenomenon - no other culture has so vast an industry churning out stories set in schools and involving school- age characters where there is a deliberate appeal to an older (usually male) audience. Remember - not aimed necessarily or only at other minors, but at adults. That, again is the issue: the industry is exploiting children sexually for the benefit of adults.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2010, 04:29:09 AM by Haibane »

Offline the taken

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2010, 07:53:43 AM »
Well then maybe you should tell those men that being sexually attracted to underage girls is wrong.

Offline GeekFury

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2010, 08:24:33 AM »
Why do I suddenly feel the urge to put...



up?

Offline the taken

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2010, 10:06:39 AM »
Your sexual attraction to underage girls is morally objectionable. You are a bad person. Bad, bad, bad.  >:(

Offline Sabby

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2010, 12:57:50 PM »
Lolicon and Shotacon confuse the hell out of me. As if it weren't totally obvious at this point, I like Yaoi. A lot. Males. Not underaged, not college aged, not middle aged... Yaoi just means male on male. So when you regularly search Yaoi, which is almost always associated with Shotacon, you end up seeing some of it.

And what confuses me is just how tumbled it all is o.O It gets to the point where you can't rightly say if this certain story is 'effeminate boys as an art style' or '12 year olds' and I'm not simply talking about the artwork. The story and interactions are just as muddled. Some of the visual elements aside from the character and the dialogue and setting will point to the sexually active characters being at an appropriate age, and sometimes its quite obvious that they are much younger, yet still as able for the sake of the story

And the result, I find, of this is that it will get to a point where you just can't tell, and you will become paranoid. I'll be reading a completely ordinary Yaoi story, and then a particular panel will look a bit more girlish then it should be, and you start to question if maybe the artist was injecting his Shota attraction into the story for a second o.O

I've backspaced a few stories because of this lingering doubt in the back of my mind.

Offline ZoophilianTopic starter

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2010, 01:28:21 PM »
I am a female, And I read Shota and Loli Doujins all the time, I rather enjoy them but this doesnt mean iam going to go out and act on anything I read, This is the same arguement as "Oh you play Grand theft auto, your gunna shoot someone" My point in all this is a simple one, Censorship is wrong. Its the goverment or in this case, The US goverment putting pressure on Japan to censor one of the more popular Hentai markets out there. Thinking about things a bit, Our goverment telling another what they can and cant do makes me think back to the stories my Grandparents told me about Vietnam or even the Cold war where one government tries to force another to do something.

The point is, Shota and Lolicon hentai do not influence people to go out and act on things, I have a fairly large collection of this material stored on dvds just like every other kind of hentai, I play violent games but this doesnt mean iam a violent person. If anything Anime, games, Hentai have made me a better person, Normal movies dont effect me no matter how sad yet GRave of the Fireflies made me cry, Dynasty warriors didnt make me go out with a katana and murder people by the hundreads, It got me interested in Chinese history and lore.

Thirty years ago it was Comics currupting the youth of america, Twenty years ago it was Rock n Roll music, Ten years ago it was Tv and video games. Now we have moved past this and simply say "Oh its the influence of Japan" are you kidding me?

My rant is done for now. ^.^ Please contenue.

Offline the taken

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2010, 02:34:53 PM »
I am a female, And I read Shota and Loli Doujins all the time

WITCH!!!! SHE"S A WITCH!!!! SHE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!!!! I got better.

Offline Transgirlenstein

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2010, 06:44:29 PM »
Like Zoophilian, I am female and I read both Shota and Loli Doujins all the time.  Pretty much I agree with her.

Offline GeekFury

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2010, 03:21:47 PM »
I don't find any form of under age pornography acceptable or arousing, I just suddenly felt the urge for the Pedobear Seal. >.>

Offline ZoophilianTopic starter

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2010, 03:58:01 PM »
I don't find any form of under age pornography acceptable or arousing, I just suddenly felt the urge for the Pedobear Seal. >.>


Who's talkin about porn? Iam talking about hentai ^^; Yeah i dont like it in porn ether, But in hentai its fine o.o; At least I think so.

Offline GeekFury

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2010, 05:09:47 AM »

Who's talkin about porn? Iam talking about hentai ^^; Yeah i dont like it in porn ether, But in hentai its fine o.o; At least I think so.

I count hentai as pornography too, all be it drawn, does'nt float my boat Zoophie, but if youlike it not gonna judge as no ones being hurt in Lollicon hentai.

Offline ZoophilianTopic starter

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2010, 12:26:02 PM »
I say to each their own when it comes to kinks, likes, porn, hentai and life in general, Who am I to tell other people what they should or shouldn't like? Thank you ^^ So many are condemning. I personally dont count hentai as Porn, But thats just me. Oh.. and >_> The Pedo bear is just to cute.

Offline GeekFury

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2010, 01:06:00 PM »
I say to each their own when it comes to kinks, likes, porn, hentai and life in general, Who am I to tell other people what they should or shouldn't like? Thank you ^^ So many are condemning. I personally dont count hentai as Porn, But thats just me. Oh.. and >_> The Pedo bear is just to cute.

That so?


Offline ZoophilianTopic starter

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2010, 01:14:34 PM »
Very much so ^.^ you know >_> he travels in pairs..

Offline TheKnifeWon

Re: O.o here's one, Japan under pressure from feminist groups...
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2010, 04:18:25 PM »
I don't mind violence and sexuality in media. It's when that sexuality involves children, or when that violence is for its own sake and there is no point to it, that it becomes bothersome. Using the abuse of children as masturbation fodder is just. . .wrong, it's creepy, it should definitely not make publication. I, at least, am not inclined to say that this material makes people go out and commit pedophilic acts. What it does is diminish the severity of said acts in the minds of some people who view them. It inserts an idea beyond "this is abusive and wrong". It can become one of many reasons that a person commits an act, or a person fails to properly prosecute someone who commits such an act--or even a reason a child fails to report it.

A video game like RapeLay or whatever the hell it was is wrong because there is NO POINT to it other than making the women in it suffer, other than objectifying them. There's no object, no benefit--just abuse these women. It's disgusting.

In more mild scenarios I am not for censorship as much as I am for criticism, but in these cases. . .just don't publish it.