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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2009, 02:11:47 PM »
I'd consider what most people write in here as smut. I'm talking about porn, which has little of no plot.

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2009, 02:26:24 PM »
Oooh, linguistic and connotative differences!

I consider a lot of what is written on here to be erotica, with smatterings of smut (which in my mind is fairly plotless erotica).

....although the erotica I recently had published is now being offered on the press's site in the "FREE SMUT!" section, so I'll go over here and nom on my grain of salt. :D

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2009, 09:21:28 PM »
Has 'Ancient' been covered? Such as ancient Greece? Perhaps that falls under a more general category of Historical, but then an ancient setting doesn't have to be based on historical events by any means.

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2009, 12:42:34 PM »
I would think Historical would cover Ancient but it might not cover Pre-historic.

Offline Haibane

Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2009, 02:11:11 PM »
My guess is if it wasn't historical ancient it would fall under the fantasy heading, or one of them.

And I'm with Bliss. To me porn is visual smut and erotica is written smut ;)

You can also get smut smut which is plotless or badly written erotica!

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2009, 03:00:40 PM »
From a traditional standpoint there are very few actual genres of literature.

Really traditional: Poetry, prose, non-fiction.

Modern traditional: Non-fiction, fiction, science-fiction, fantasy, mystery, and horror.

Nowadays, it's a hodgepodge of adjectives and whatnot that make me reach for aspirin.   

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2009, 11:52:45 PM »
seemed like until recently, sci-fiction and fantasy kept getting lumped together, which I hated. I think there are some pretty strong differences between the two myself.

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2009, 12:58:39 AM »
seemed like until recently, sci-fiction and fantasy kept getting lumped together, which I hated. I think there are some pretty strong differences between the two myself.

You may thank Greg Bear, Issac Asimov, and Arthur C. Clarke for them finally making a distinction between Fantasy and Science fiction - their 'hard science' fiction proved to be the final bricks in the wall that separated fantasy and science fiction, which developed a new category, 'science fantasy' as a result.

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2009, 07:58:18 PM »
Call me old-fashioned but to me 'fantasy' is set in an undefined 'past', that involves no electricity, internal combustion engines or steam power and usually includes fantastical creatures and magic.

Science fiction is set in a 'future' and usually includes energy sources we do not yet have, often interstellar space travel, useful AI, practical man-like robots and such.

I've never thought of any confusion at all between 'fantasy' and 'science-fiction'.

Did I learn something wrong at school somewhere?

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #34 on: July 22, 2009, 08:04:40 PM »
Call me old-fashioned but to me 'fantasy' is set in an undefined 'past', that involves no electricity, internal combustion engines or steam power and usually includes fantastical creatures and magic.

Science fiction is set in a 'future' and usually includes energy sources we do not yet have, often interstellar space travel, useful AI, practical man-like robots and such.

I've never thought of any confusion at all between 'fantasy' and 'science-fiction'.

Did I learn something wrong at school somewhere?
Fantasy doesn't deal in fiction or hypothetical fiction. It deals in a more or less from-scratch universe with its own set of rules. That's why the two are often lumped together. The difference is that fantasy produces writers' conveniences like magic. Science-fiction tends to have some physical logic behind it.

Fantasy doesn't have to be in the past. It has to have elements of fantasy.

I believe one author actually had a human race totally saturated in magic, but half way through the cycle they discover an extra-terrestrial ship. That's why all this genre-pandering tends to be counterproductive.

If I want humans shooting elves with six-shooters like Native American's in a spaghetti western so be it. I have a right to call that fantasy. 

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #35 on: July 22, 2009, 08:23:03 PM »
Fantasy ...[edit]... deals in a more or less from-scratch universe with its own set of rules.
Yup, yup, I'm with you, and I agree. But fantasy often has more primitive technology than our contemporary world (Tolkien's Middle Earth being the best known example - horses and carts rather than cars and trains). What I meant was -- and I should have added a 'this is a gross generalisation' tag -- is that given our world now, any fantasy world is perceived to be in a 'past' while any science-fiction world is percieved to be in a 'future'.

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I believe one author actually had a human race totally saturated in magic, but half way through the cycle they discover an extra-terrestrial ship. That's why all this genre-pandering tends to be counterproductive.
That's sci-fi in my book due to the presence of 'future' elements.

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If I want humans shooting elves with six-shooters like Native American's in a spaghetti western so be it. I have a right to call that fantasy.
I agree, all 'past' elements.

You know if you apply that 'past versus future' rule to any non-earth fiction, I'm pretty comfortable in betting you'd end up having what is accepted as 'fantasy' on the one side of that and 'science-fiction' on the other.

Offline Caeli

Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2009, 08:26:56 PM »
If you guys would like to discuss the differences between fantasy and science fiction or what have you, please do so in a separate thread - say in the Off Topic or On Topic boards. :-) This thread is for suggestions, not discussions or debates.

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2009, 08:32:14 PM »
Does the debate not define the suggestion?

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2009, 08:43:19 PM »
With thirty slots, the chances that 'science fiction' or 'fantasy' will get lopped off the list are... minimal, I think. I'm not speaking for Veks, but both are widely used enough today as 'genres' or literary classifications that I'm sure both will be included in any final list of literary and roleplaying genres that will be made.

Such a debate would be largely for spirit, or a discussion in semantics, or a discussion in personal interpretation.

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2009, 08:46:54 PM »
What I'm saying is 'what do you include in science-fiction or fantasy?'

Yes, they'll both be included, but if we have umpteen ideas of what they are, people will dump their RPs into possibly the wrong genre.

That's what I am talking about. Without definitions this entire project is a waste of effort.

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2009, 08:50:16 PM »
This project is for profiles - things like what you enjoy playing, not to label games.

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2009, 08:56:06 PM »
What is the purpose of E members labelling what types of games they play if we don't agree on what constitutes a genre? If I wrote 'sci-fi' but the person who checks my profile doesn't agree with my definition of 'sci-fi' what use is that profile?

Okay, let me get to the bottom line:

Without extremely narrow definitions that we all agree on (and which is patently never going to happen) what is the value of this project?

Sorry to throw a big damper on this but I'm having something of a WTF? moment here and I have this feeling that Vekseid's valuable time could better be spent elsewhere.
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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2009, 08:57:21 PM »
... It's lucky we have a PM system that would clear up any confusion.

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2009, 09:00:22 PM »
So why not PM the people you think you might wish to play with - after checking their O/Os?

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Re: Most Popular Literary and Roleplaying Genres
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2009, 09:04:19 PM »
This is to make the search more accurate.