"What Is A Hotdog?" and other Lighthearted Other Controversies

[Blythe]

....at least three separate people have done something to egg me on to make this silly thread. <_<;

So the Politics and Religion parts, the P and R or PROC, get a lot of attention, understandably so. They are important things.

I would like to look at the 'OC' part of PROC, the 'Other Controversies.' The OC part of PROC gets no love, man.

Everything in this thread is low-stakes/no-stakes but should be something FUN to debate about. If something in this thread gets you mad, leave the thread, yeah? Anyways, be nice, have fun, but...for once? This particular PROC thread encourages humor. Come have fun. Debate pointless amusing things with everyone.

Feel free to introduce your own 'tiny controversies' to chat about. My one requirement about that for this thread? The thing you want to talk about can't be political or religious, sorry! There's plenty of other threads for the PR part of PROC! This is the OC part!

We will start with two tiny controversies!

* Is a Hotdog Its Own Category of Food....Or Something Else? *

Courtesy of @Lexandria and @Amaris who are the primary people who I was talking to about this.

I have heard people debate that due to being carbs + meat with similar toppings that a hotdog is actually just a skinny hamburger.

I have also heard people debate that a hotdog is actually a taco because of the above points but also because of the hotdog's shape!

I have also heard people say that hotdogs and hamburgers are BOTH not their own category, they are all just 'sandwiches.'

What's your take? Is a hotdog its own unique thing, or do you think it might actually be a hamburger, a taco, or something else?

My personal take? Hotdogs are just LongBurgers.

and....

* GIF. Hard or soft G? *

Idea courtesy of @Geeklet

Alrighty. Y'all know this one. I don't even have to explain it. But this is a BIG one for some people!

I personally like the soft G nowadays, as I am an agent of chaos, and sometimes I like to pronounce gift like 'jift' to specifically upset my relatives on Christmas and my birthday.

But also because I want to make the strong case the all soft G sounds should just have their spelling replaced with J.

Discuss!

[Lexandria]

Cube rule of food: Sandwich has carb on top and bottom. Taco has carb on 3 sides. Therefore a hot dog is a taco, and a hamburger is a sandwich.

Pie is toast.


His name is not Jif, Blythe. It's Gif.

[Blythe]

Cube rule of food: Sandwich has carb on top and bottom. Taco has carb on 3 sides. Therefore a hot dog is a taco, and a hamburger is a sandwich.

Pie is toast.

I will die on the 'pie is toast' hill, ma'am, absolutely not.

Pie has a carb bottom and is surrounded by carb crust on all its sides, so it cannot be toast!

[Lexandria]

I will die on the 'pie is toast' hill, ma'am, absolutely not.

Pie has a carb bottom and is surrounded by carb crust on all its sides, so it cannot be toast!

The crust is only slightly curved.

But if it's a deep pie, I can concede that it could be a quiche instead. Quiche is 5 sides of carb.

[Blythe]

The crust is only slightly curved.

But if it's a deep pie, I can concede that it could be a quiche instead. Quiche is 5 sides of carb.

But why does the standard need to be quiche? Why can't the standard be pie, and quiche is actually pie?

Reasoning: pie is more popular than quiche, there is no reason to define things as a less-popular word!

Also tarts are considered mini-pies and they have much straighter edges...so quiche is actually pie, not the other way around, in my worldview.

[Amaris]

Hey, all I said was that Brunch is specifically between Breakfast and Lunch given the name. If you want a meal between other meals, name it something else but it goes as follows:

Breakfast
Second Breakfast
Brunch
Lunch
Dinner (NOT SUPPER )

[Blythe]

Hey, all I said was that Brunch is specifically between Breakfast and Lunch given the name. If you want a meal between other meals, name it something else but it goes as follows:

Breakfast
Second Breakfast
Brunch
Lunch
Dinner (NOT SUPPER )

I can't believe I forgot about the Other Controversy of "what is brunch, even?"

Man, that should have gone in the first post, too.

...also what is this 'second breakfast' of which you speak? <_<

[Lexandria]

But why does the standard need to be quiche? Why can't the standard be pie, and quiche is actually pie?

Reasoning: pie is more popular than quiche, there is no reason to define things as a less-popular word!

Also tarts are considered mini-pies and they have much straighter edges...so quiche is actually pie, not the other way around, in my worldview.

hmm....

Actually, no. I will concede that quiches are tarts, then. Pie is toast, but because tarts specifically have deeper sides, they truly encompass the 5-sided-carb requirement, and thus a quiche is a tart. and technically so is a bread bowl if you don't have it's hat on.

[Amaris]

I can't believe I forgot about the Other Controversy of "what is brunch, even?"

Man, that should have gone in the first post, too.

...also what is this 'second breakfast' of which you speak? <_<

[Lexandria]

So then what is the only meal of the day? Because I had food at brunch time...ish. but had been awake for 9 hours already. but it was my first meal of the day but also probably my last meal of the day.

[Geeklet]

Lasagna is cake. That is all.


Also, soft G. Growing up, I never heard gif said out loud, I only saw it as .GIF, so at first I said each letter separately. Jee Eye Eff. Shorten that and what do you get?

Also, anyone who says 'but the G stands for graphics' is full of shit. That's not how acronyms work, and no one ever actually considered that as to why they say it that way, it is just used to justify it after the fact.

[Lexandria]

Lasagna is cake. That is all.

yes

[Amaris]

I've used both pronunciations interchangeably depending on who I'm around and how they say it because I don't want to get into the debate. Personally, I didn't know it was a controversy until I already had sounded it out in my head and phonetically it would be a hard G. Neither on bothers me on that particular controversy.

[Geeklet]

Ultimately I don't carry one way or the other how people say it, as long as they don't try to debate me on it.

Hell, I didn't even know it was a thing either until like, what, 15 years ago or so, as the internet became vastly more common.

I'm showing my age, aren't I?

[Blythe]

I'm here to fite about lasagna being cake <_<

I think flavor matters on top of form to determine what something is! Lasagna is savory, cake is sweet, so my brain refuses to see them as the same thing >_>

[Geeklet]

What matters more? Form or flavor? If flavor, then grilled cheese with tomato soup is pizza.

[Blythe]

What matters more? Form or flavor? If flavor, then grilled cheese with tomato soup is pizza.

oh god what door have I opened here 😭

[Lexandria]

What matters more? Form or flavor? If flavor, then grilled cheese with tomato soup is pizza.

Form matters more. Dessert pasta is a thing (and ravioli is a calzone)

[Geeklet]

oh god what door have I opened here 😭

*cackles*

Seriously though, I get what you are saying. This is all just for shits and giggles. There are other things I could traumatize you with, but I will be nice.

[Jag]

I'm here to fite about lasagna being cake <_<

I think flavor matters on top of form to determine what something is! Lasagna is savory, cake is sweet, so my brain refuses to see them as the same thing >_>

But what about savory cakes? Which are my favorite. Herb cakes. Rosemary cake is a savory delight. Cake is pastry lasagna.

[Blythe]

But what about savory cakes? Which are my favorite. Herb cakes. Rosemary cake is a savory delight. Cake is pastry lasagna.

Savory cakes??

...you know, I started this thread as a stress-relieving silly topic but I might actually learn something right now. Uh.

There are savory cakes? 

[Jag]

Savory cakes??

...you know, I started this thread as a stress-relieving silly topic but I might actually learn something right now. Uh.

There are savory cakes? 

Oh yes, as someone who actually detests sweet cakes (mostly the frosting, I can handle a naked cake), I love savory cakes. There is the le cake salé, which translates to The Savory Cake. Cake stuffed with black olives and ham or bacon. Savory carrot cakes with caramelized onions mixed in, or scallions, or even feta cheese. Savory cheesecakes with sundried tomatoes, roasted mushrooms, and such. And my favorite is a tart and herby naked Rosemary and lemon cake.

[Blythe]

Fuck. I had no idea savory cakes were a thing. This definitely had me thinking. 

...this admittedly makes 'lasanga is a cake' argument much stronger for those in favor of it.

I might have to do a rarity in a debate and admit I'm wrong about a stance

*waits for gasps of shock and horror at such an unprecedented thing*

[Jag]

On the subject of cakes, is piecaken a cake or a pie or just a delicious monstrosity of human creation (if made right)?

[TheLaughingOne]

.... Enchiladas are Mexican Lasagna.

COME AT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(i did joke this to a lady at work. I am VERY glad there was nothing sharp close by due to the look she gave me)