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Offline stimulationiiTopic starter

Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« on: April 27, 2009, 01:23:03 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/27/swine.flu/index.html

"Mexico seems to be the epicenter of the outbreak, where as many as 103 deaths are thought to have been caused by swine flu, the country's health minister said. An additional 1,614 reported cases have been reported in the country."

Looks like this virus is picking up steam. Hopefully a vaccine will work come out soon.

=(

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 08:21:13 AM »
Even without a vaccine, many household disinfectants will kill the virus (read the labels and make sure to leave the surfaces wet long enough).  Also, the virus responds well to treatment, which is probably an issue in the deaths.  There's a boy in my area that contracted it - they've closed down his school for a week as a precaution, but he's being treated and is expected to make a full recovery.

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2009, 03:26:36 PM »
Even without a vaccine, many household disinfectants will kill the virus (read the labels and make sure to leave the surfaces wet long enough).  Also, the virus responds well to treatment, which is probably an issue in the deaths.  There's a boy in my area that contracted it - they've closed down his school for a week as a precaution, but he's being treated and is expected to make a full recovery.

Glad to hear he is going to be alright. =]

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2009, 05:15:56 PM »
Lysol spray will kill Influenza A (H1N1), same strain as the swine flu, if "left wet on a non-porous surface for 10 minutes."

Real lysol spray, not the generics. ;-)

And I suppose you could always clorox something.  Clorox kills anything. XD

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2009, 05:38:20 PM »
Any disinfectant on the market has to go through EPA to allow them to make claims against the organisms that they kill.  The labels show what organisms they are effective against, as well as the contact time.

Non-food contact sanitizers have to kill 99.9% of the population of the organisms they claim.  Food contact has to kill 99.99% (might be another 9 in there, I'm forgetting at the moment.)  Disinfectants have to show no growth of the organism if you culture it after exposure for the contact time.

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2009, 06:11:05 PM »
Any disinfectant on the market has to go through EPA to allow them to make claims against the organisms that they kill.  The labels show what organisms they are effective against, as well as the contact time.

Non-food contact sanitizers have to kill 99.9% of the population of the organisms they claim.  Food contact has to kill 99.99% (might be another 9 in there, I'm forgetting at the moment.)  Disinfectants have to show no growth of the organism if you culture it after exposure for the contact time.

Agreed. Brand doesn't matter. Read the label.

Offline Heart

Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2009, 07:28:55 PM »
Apparently no deaths have been recorded OUTSIDE of mexico.
I'm not American so I don't know what the medical standards of Mexico are, but if they are substandard, I wouldn't worry about it becoming lethal in other places.

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2009, 07:30:25 PM »
Is the common flu sometimes fatal in mexico? if so, i dont think we have anything to worry about.

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2009, 08:44:23 PM »
Your average healthy adult probably doesn't have anything to worry about - but how many of you know small children/infants, elderly people, or immunocompromised people (HIV, transplant recipients...)?  These are people who would be at the biggest risk from this or any other flu.

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2009, 10:35:27 PM »
Your average healthy adult probably doesn't have anything to worry about - but how many of you know small children/infants, elderly people, or immunocompromised people (HIV, transplant recipients...)?  These are people who would be at the biggest risk from this or any other flu.

Strangely, this form of flu seems to be a bit different to most in this regard - In Mexico at least, the World Health Organisation reports that most cases have occurred in otherwise healthy young adults.  I don't know about in other countries....

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2009, 11:00:19 PM »
Strangely, this form of flu seems to be a bit different to most in this regard - In Mexico at least, the World Health Organisation reports that most cases have occurred in otherwise healthy young adults.  I don't know about in other countries....

Well the flu can kill a healthy young adult and adults in general as well. That is why everyone who works at a hospital is strongly encouraged to get the vaccine in addition to try and avoid getting sick in general, its a safety precaution. The hospital system I worked for even encouraged those of us who worked in the corporate office off campus to get it, and it's not because we are sick, elderly or children. I had minimal contact with patients and really encountered them when I attended meetings in conference rooms on the main campus, touching the counters and knowing sick people went to the hospital was enough. Influenza is a deadly disease, kills in the tens of thousands each year in the USA alone, but most people don't hide indoors from it. I think he media is helping fuel a panic.

I appreciate their words of caution but I question how much useful information is being given out.

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2009, 11:03:10 PM »
That's one of the reasons I posted the bit about household disinfectants.  Simple precautions (not oversanitizing) go a long way in preventing communicable diseases.

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2009, 11:28:25 PM »
That's one of the reasons I posted the bit about household disinfectants.  Simple precautions (not oversanitizing) go a long way in preventing communicable diseases.

Excellent advise. I also keep a bottole of Purrel (or any like brand) in the car for trips out or any other time washing isn't readily available.

Offline Jolt

Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2009, 04:55:18 AM »
Is it just me, or is there a new one of these "It will kill us all!" bugs every year or two?
BSE
SARS
MRSA
Bird Flu

And now there is swine flu.

Well, we have now had cows, chickens and pigs. So i guess the next is gonna be fish.
It's a vegan conspiricy i tells ya! lol  ;)

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2009, 09:15:48 AM »
I'm more afriad of the centipetes, spiders, and ickies that live in my basement, than I am of Swine Flu.  Hehe, and that's coming from a hypochondriac...

I am waiting for our next big pandemic to dole out stickers for the workd population...why I'm not freaked out right now is something i'm not too sure of.

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2009, 07:53:10 PM »
Your average healthy adult probably doesn't have anything to worry about - but how many of you know small children/infants, elderly people, or immunocompromised people (HIV, transplant recipients...)?  These are people who would be at the biggest risk from this or any other flu.

I'm not worried about me.  I'm gonna die when I die and trying to avoid little things like that would just ruin life.  But I am worried about my 3 year old and 4 month old. . .they are healthy but young.  If they were to get it and die I would be destroyed.

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2009, 08:06:27 PM »
Well, we have now had cows, chickens and pigs. So i guess the next is gonna be fish.
It's a vegan conspiricy i tells ya! lol  ;)

Are vegans safe to eat? :)

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2009, 08:31:43 PM »
I think it always pays to be safe, then blase.  After all, the last big flu pandemic killed thousands millions of people and because of it, World War One... ended.  Good thing or not?

My tips for helping yourself stay healthy are:

Wash hands
Cover mouth when sneezing
Eat healthy
Exercise
And use Glen 20 (or other disinfectant spray) on your keyboard and phone -  particularly if you hot desk at work :)



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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2009, 11:56:49 PM »
My tips for helping yourself stay healthy are:

Wash hands
Cover mouth when sneezing
Eat healthy
Exercise
And use Glen 20 (or other disinfectant spray) on your keyboard and phone -  particularly if you hot desk at work :)

Also - if you are around other people who are coughing and sneezing, cover your mouth, and if you don't have a tissue, cover your mouth/nose with the inside of your elbow.  (Think about it - your hands touch ten-thousand things through the day.  What does the inside of your elbow touch?)

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2009, 12:30:13 PM »
Are vegans safe to eat? :)

Depends on how well you marinate them  ;)

Offline Alexander

Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2009, 04:59:31 PM »
I have it currently (I think. Im waiting for the swab test to come back tomorrow for confirmation)

Take great care if you go grocery shopping, Thats how i seem to have come down with it. If at ALL possible, leave your kids at home if they are of age, or have someone to babysit them.

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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2009, 05:50:40 PM »
What are the symptoms?

Offline Alexander

Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2009, 05:55:29 PM »
The symptoms are nearly 100% identical to regular Flu. The only real difference (From what i read on Medrx.com)

is the fact that it can hop species, and is a lot more easily gotten from other sick people. Thats about it from my understanding.

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2009, 06:21:08 PM »
Hopefully there's some chicken soup in those groceries you got, Alexander.  Take all your antivirals if they give you any, use hot showers or a steam-pot to help open your airways, and get plenty of rest and fluids.

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Re: Swine Flu; Looks dangerous!
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2009, 12:02:14 PM »
So is it more or less dangerous than normal human flu?
(the real flu, not the cold that you call flu so you can get a day off work/more sympathy  ;D )