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Offline Mathim

Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #100 on: February 21, 2015, 09:34:30 PM »
I think the world by in large is far too genre savvy to fall prey to a zombie apocalypse.

That's sort of why I have a hard time taking the Walking Dead (comic or show). Is that it exists in a universe where not a damn soul has seen Night of the Living Dead 1969. :P

Also, everyone in the Brooksverse tends to take a daily stupid pill as well. :P

Knowledge is power but you forget emotion is weakness. And which of those two do you think most of humanity has more of?

I like how Resident Evil has classically allowed for just about every kind of animal (even Great White Sharks for crying out loud) to become zombies as well. That is a much more terrifying apocalypse and one much more believable to be more than we can handle. A horde of zeds might not be able to break through a concrete barrier but a full-on charging zombelephant or zombhino (zombie rhino) or a group of them might accomplish it. Or a zomonkey might be able to climb up to the upper floors if you've destroyed the stairs out of desperation in your stronghold and getcha.

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Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #101 on: February 21, 2015, 09:34:45 PM »
I think the world by in large is far too genre savvy to fall prey to a zombie apocalypse.

That's sort of why I have a hard time taking the Walking Dead (comic or show). Is that it exists in a universe where not a damn soul has seen Night of the Living Dead 1969. :P

Also, everyone in the Brooksverse tends to take a daily stupid pill as well. :P

Actually in the walking dead universe the writers have said that George Romero was never born so he never started the zombie genre to begin with. sooo people have a valid reason there to actualy not know about zombies.

Also what do you all think of The Strain? ITs a zombie series combined with vampires...I like it to be honest and it seems in season 2 all hell breaks lose with the vamps (who act more like the rage zombies from 28 days later) just attacking everyone that they can find and draining them of blood as the Master vamp watches the city fall.

This is what ive been waiting for, along with more information about these Daywalkers who showed up all of a sudden. (no spoilers)



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Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #102 on: February 21, 2015, 09:40:41 PM »
Well if security is lax at that point and hijacking is kind of their forte, I don't think that'll stop them.

Speaking of which, has anyone seen Flight of the Living Dead? It's almost a half-serious zombie movie about an outbreak on a commercial flight. It's almost like that plane scene in World War Z but stretched into an entire movie (ironically still better in every way than World War Z the movie).

Cant't hijack something that doesn't exist. I mean, you can steal cars or whatever, but there aren't exactly planes available to fly around or ships going anywhere.

Actually in the walking dead universe the writers have said that George Romero was never born so he never started the zombie genre to begin with. sooo people have a valid reason there to actualy not know about zombies.

At least they justified it there. Too often it's just ignored.

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Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #103 on: February 21, 2015, 09:43:39 PM »
I love The Strain, and I hate vampire fiction, but I love it because it reminds you what vampires are, monsters. 13th Century vampires not 19th Century ones.

Also on the Walking Dead, well that explains a few things. Though when that series premiered I made it through about half of the first season before blowing it off, and I love zombie fiction. 

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« Reply #104 on: February 21, 2015, 09:44:35 PM »
I love The Strain, and I hate vampire fiction, but I love it because it reminds you what vampires are, monsters. 13th Century vampires not 19th Century ones.

Also on the Walking Dead, well that explains a few things. Though when that series premiered I made it through about half of the first season before blowing it off, and I love zombie fiction.

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Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #105 on: February 21, 2015, 09:48:37 PM »
Cant't hijack something that doesn't exist. I mean, you can steal cars or whatever, but there aren't exactly planes available to fly around or ships going anywhere.

At least they justified it there. Too often it's just ignored.

That's a bizarre presupposition. Did these things just vanish into thin air or are you assuming that by the time things get that out of control that they will already have been used up and either run out of fuel and become useless or will be too heavily occupied (in the case of boats) to be captured?

Personally if I could I'd get a boat (a big one) and dock it close to land, maybe chop up a bit of a pier (or what are those long wooden plank things that go over the water with long poles holding them up?) so no zombies could get on them from land but the boat would be at the right height for it just so we'd have a little more leeway in fighting the ones that do get in the water. The ones that get there on the shore will be more easy to pick off in that way than holing up in an urban or at least land-based fortress but once we start getting the upper hand we'll be close enough to land to do things like go raiding for supplies or set up agriculture. That way we don't sacrifice the ability to be self-sufficient by going too far out to see, but then we're not utterly dependent on the land for safety. It's win-freakin'-win baby!

Also, never seen the Strain. Saw the front cover of season 1 with the worm in the eyeball and thought, "Yeah, no."

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Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #106 on: February 21, 2015, 09:50:33 PM »


Also, never seen the Strain. Saw the front cover of season 1 with the worm in the eyeball and thought, "Yeah, no."

Give it a try, you might like it. Also the worm thing turned you off? Made your skin crawl or did you go "this looks dumb."

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« Reply #107 on: February 21, 2015, 09:59:06 PM »
Give it a try, you might like it. Also the worm thing turned you off? Made your skin crawl or did you go "this looks dumb."

Well in my experience whenever they try to shock you with something like that on the front cover, it's to cover up the fact that it's a really underwhelming thing inside. I try not to reward that kind of cheap lack of ethics.

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Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #108 on: February 21, 2015, 10:01:33 PM »
Mr. Quinlan is my new favorite vampire ever!  ;D

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Oh I was all set to hate him too. Was like, "Oooh here comes the Drizzit vampire!" <--Literal words out of my mouth, and depending on how that cabal of shriveled vamps of his I might have to hate him via the group anyway, but I actually kind of liked the character.

Offline TheGlyphstone

Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #109 on: February 21, 2015, 10:10:54 PM »
That's a bizarre presupposition. Did these things just vanish into thin air or are you assuming that by the time things get that out of control that they will already have been used up and either run out of fuel and become useless or will be too heavily occupied (in the case of boats) to be captured?

Personally if I could I'd get a boat (a big one) and dock it close to land, maybe chop up a bit of a pier (or what are those long wooden plank things that go over the water with long poles holding them up?) so no zombies could get on them from land but the boat would be at the right height for it just so we'd have a little more leeway in fighting the ones that do get in the water. The ones that get there on the shore will be more easy to pick off in that way than holing up in an urban or at least land-based fortress but once we start getting the upper hand we'll be close enough to land to do things like go raiding for supplies or set up agriculture. That way we don't sacrifice the ability to be self-sufficient by going too far out to see, but then we're not utterly dependent on the land for safety. It's win-freakin'-win baby!

Also, never seen the Strain. Saw the front cover of season 1 with the worm in the eyeball and thought, "Yeah, no."

I meant the planes, primarily. If they are trying to hjiack commercial airplanes, like hijacking tends to involve, those planes need to be flying, which means they need to have fuel. Commercial aviation is an incredibly complicated and intricate dance, and even a small problem somewhere can have major repercussions. Case in point, there was an incident a few months ago where a guy snapped and tried to burn down the Air Traffic Control building in Chicago O'Hare Airport. O'hare was shut down for a few hours until they were sure everything was okay. It took nearly a week for American domestic flight schedules to deal with the disruption. Now think of what a worldwide zombie uprising is going to do to all those schedules and arrangements. Airports will have fuel without the planes it's going to. There will be planes stranded at airports without fuel. There will be planes diverted to whatever airport they can find before their fuel runs out with no one to clear them for landing.

Terrorists like to sow chaos, but they do not like chaos. A lot of planning and preparation goes into any operation they consider remotely successful beyond 'guy with a bomb in a marketplace'. When infrastructure breaks down, their ability to commander that infrastructure for their own purposes breaks down with it.

They can capture all the boats they like, but boats kinda suck as suicide devices.

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Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #110 on: February 21, 2015, 11:22:22 PM »
I meant the planes, primarily. If they are trying to hjiack commercial airplanes, like hijacking tends to involve, those planes need to be flying, which means they need to have fuel. Commercial aviation is an incredibly complicated and intricate dance, and even a small problem somewhere can have major repercussions. Case in point, there was an incident a few months ago where a guy snapped and tried to burn down the Air Traffic Control building in Chicago O'Hare Airport. O'hare was shut down for a few hours until they were sure everything was okay. It took nearly a week for American domestic flight schedules to deal with the disruption. Now think of what a worldwide zombie uprising is going to do to all those schedules and arrangements. Airports will have fuel without the planes it's going to. There will be planes stranded at airports without fuel. There will be planes diverted to whatever airport they can find before their fuel runs out with no one to clear them for landing.

Terrorists like to sow chaos, but they do not like chaos. A lot of planning and preparation goes into any operation they consider remotely successful beyond 'guy with a bomb in a marketplace'. When infrastructure breaks down, their ability to commander that infrastructure for their own purposes breaks down with it.

They can capture all the boats they like, but boats kinda suck as suicide devices.

In the context of a chaotic 'Great Panic' scenario, I would think sowing chaos would already be achieved and merely a glorious fiery martyrdom would be the goal at that point. If airports were abandoned due to attempting to flee to other parts of the land or sea, then hijacking would be made all the easier and finding a heavily populated refuge to target would also be fairly simple. I'm just saying logistically it wouldn't be difficult to cause lots of problems and aiding the zombies' cause in wiping out the living.

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Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #111 on: February 21, 2015, 11:35:17 PM »
It's possible, but I think you are vastly underestimating the logistics involved. You're talking about
1)attacking an (abandoned, admittedly) airport, fighting through zombies in the process. Depends on how many zombies are around.
2) finding a plane they have trained on and know how to fly at the airport - flying a modern plane is hard,and only the most basic principles transfer between models. This is honestly the biggest problem they are going to face, and it really is a doozy.
3) finding sufficient aviation fuel to fill the plane's tanks, and fueling it up. Probably not that hard.
4) Finding a worthwhile target to crash into before the fuel runs out. If you're low enough to visually inspect the ground in a jumbo jet, you are either taking off, landing, or crashing, so you better already have your target in mind.

I suppose they could always just dive-bomb a city, which might meet their qualifications for self-martyrdom, but that is about it, and wouldn't really 'help' the zombies in any way. If their goal is to speed the apocalypse, they'd be far better off with traditional bomb-loaded vans or trucks and attacking barricades or fortified camps.

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Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #112 on: February 22, 2015, 12:29:23 AM »
It's possible, but I think you are vastly underestimating the logistics involved. You're talking about
1)attacking an (abandoned, admittedly) airport, fighting through zombies in the process. Depends on how many zombies are around.
2) finding a plane they have trained on and know how to fly at the airport - flying a modern plane is hard,and only the most basic principles transfer between models. This is honestly the biggest problem they are going to face, and it really is a doozy.
3) finding sufficient aviation fuel to fill the plane's tanks, and fueling it up. Probably not that hard.
4) Finding a worthwhile target to crash into before the fuel runs out. If you're low enough to visually inspect the ground in a jumbo jet, you are either taking off, landing, or crashing, so you better already have your target in mind.

I suppose they could always just dive-bomb a city, which might meet their qualifications for self-martyrdom, but that is about it, and wouldn't really 'help' the zombies in any way. If their goal is to speed the apocalypse, they'd be far better off with traditional bomb-loaded vans or trucks and attacking barricades or fortified camps.

 I'd like to add something to the reasons hijacking a plane might not work out; the military might be shooting down any unauthorized flight approaching their shores. Whether from an Air Force, Army or Naval launcher, the military would be making bloody sure -no- unauthorized flights would be coming in, or leaving. Or if they don't just shoot the plane down, they would likely be making damn sure any unexpected flights land at the proper airports (and probably provide an escort to make sure they do land where they are supposed to). In a zombie apocalypse, the military isn't going to be pulling any punches with anything.

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Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #113 on: February 22, 2015, 03:37:57 AM »
Well if security is lax at that point and hijacking is kind of their forte, I don't think that'll stop them.

Speaking of which, has anyone seen Flight of the Living Dead? It's almost a half-serious zombie movie about an outbreak on a commercial flight. It's almost like that plane scene in World War Z but stretched into an entire movie (ironically still better in every way than World War Z the movie).

I saw it, it wasn't to bad at all.  I really enjoyed the premise of a zombie outbreak in the middle of a flight.  Coulda been better, but your right, still so much better than World War Z.

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Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #114 on: February 22, 2015, 09:37:24 AM »
I'd like to add something to the reasons hijacking a plane might not work out; the military might be shooting down any unauthorized flight approaching their shores. Whether from an Air Force, Army or Naval launcher, the military would be making bloody sure -no- unauthorized flights would be coming in, or leaving. Or if they don't just shoot the plane down, they would likely be making damn sure any unexpected flights land at the proper airports (and probably provide an escort to make sure they do land where they are supposed to). In a zombie apocalypse, the military isn't going to be pulling any punches with anything.

That would depend on how much of the military is left, the initiative of the surviving command, their priority list, and whether they think anyone flying a plane at the time is simply trying to escape being eaten or is attempting a laughably futile terrorism project. I'm just saying, humans making a zombie apocalypse even worse is inevitable, and spectacularly so.

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Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #115 on: February 22, 2015, 09:43:30 AM »
This leaves me wondering what kind of culture would arise after the reconstruction of the zombie uprising.

Would we separate the heads of our dead like in the movie Fido before we bury them? Or would cremation become mandatory?

I know that the more sane religious groups would claim that the zombie outbreak was the work of the devil or their equivelant figure of evil. (And some idiots would claim god sent the dead to eat the living).

Would armed guards patrol hospitals and morgues?

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« Reply #116 on: February 22, 2015, 10:11:17 AM »
That would depend on how much of the military is left, the initiative of the surviving command, their priority list, and whether they think anyone flying a plane at the time is simply trying to escape being eaten or is attempting a laughably futile terrorism project. I'm just saying, humans making a zombie apocalypse even worse is inevitable, and spectacularly so.

 I don't think it would happen as much as you seem to be implying. The terrorists would be just as concerned about survival as anyone else and would be looking to just survive the first onslaught rather than trying to cause terrorist acts, especially since trying to cause such acts would be more than pointless. Unless the terrorists are willing to die fighting the zombies, they'd be far more concerned about survival than attempting to attack a target. Any military that does survive the initial rush would be looking out for security, and would be keeping an eye on the skies and seas.

 Many major military bases would be somewhat ok. The naval forces would be fine (how would zombies get on the ships anyways?) and it wouldn't take long to clear and secure some major military bases (bombs and guns would destroy the zombies). Construction equipment could dig deep ditches and build tall earthen walls, and with modern weaponry(guns, planes, bombs/missiles, napalm, mines, IEDs) available, the base could be secured fairly easily.

Offline Madmartigan

Re: Zombie apocalypse now?
« Reply #117 on: February 22, 2015, 11:38:15 AM »
why does nobody ever say anything about, "Gee, we're squatting within X miles of a nuclear power plant that's got to have been abandoned at this stage. Shouldn't we maybe get Y miles away from it since that could represent a potentially worse hazard than the zombies?"

Z Nation devoted an episode to a nuclear plant that was about to blow. They also had an episode about a religious cult staging a terrorist coup on a "safe" military base. In the cliffhanger ending of season 1, they've set off a shitload of warheads aimed at strategic research/military locations.

I'm not saying the show incorporates accurate SCIENCE or logic or great acting but hey, they hit a variety of good points and it's a fun trip.

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« Reply #118 on: February 22, 2015, 01:53:19 PM »
Z Nation devoted an episode to a nuclear plant that was about to blow. They also had an episode about a religious cult staging a terrorist coup on a "safe" military base. In the cliffhanger ending of season 1, they've set off a shitload of warheads aimed at strategic research/military locations.

I'm not saying the show incorporates accurate SCIENCE or logic or great acting but hey, they hit a variety of good points and it's a fun trip.

Never even heard of that one. Gotta look that up.

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« Reply #119 on: February 24, 2015, 08:40:44 AM »
Never even heard of that one. Gotta look that up.

Season 1 is on Netflix if you have access to that. A refreshing watch after the endless angst of Walking Dead.

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« Reply #120 on: February 25, 2015, 12:25:54 PM »
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« Reply #121 on: February 25, 2015, 07:55:00 PM »
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LOL, saw that one (trailer) years ago. And yeah, Walking Dead is just...that's why the comics are better, in any case.