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Offline jake oneTopic starter

A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« on: January 26, 2013, 09:49:00 PM »
Goku or super man ? Who wins in a fight, I say goku but I wana hear your opinions.

Offline Skynet

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2013, 01:28:00 AM »
Well, it depends upon the incarnation of Superman.  Silver Age Superman can definitely fight Goku on equal terms; in fact, I'd say that SA Superman would have an advantage due to his greater intelligence (Goku never really struck me as a sharp guy).

This video has a good and comprehensive overlook of the skills and abilities of both Goku and Superman, and what would happen in combat.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2013, 01:36:46 AM by Skynet »

Offline Monica

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2013, 01:35:57 AM »
The greater, more important answer, is that Mighty Mouse beats them both.

Offline Chris Brady

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2013, 03:01:02 AM »
The greater, more important answer, is that Mighty Mouse beats them both.
because no one sees him coming.

Offline jake oneTopic starter

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2013, 01:20:23 PM »
You also have to take into acount what era Goku as well. If it is from Dragon Ball , Dragon Ball Z or from one of the others . But i think over all it would be Goku .

And Mighty Mouse would be cool too.

Offline Moraline

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2013, 02:01:29 PM »
Superman is the OG. That's all I have to say on the subject.

Offline Chris Brady

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2013, 02:43:22 PM »
Well, I'd say he's more the OSH.

Original Super Hero.

Offline Starlequin

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2013, 06:37:13 PM »
After seeing Screw Attack's Deathmatch video break down both characters' stats and abilities, I hate to say it, but Supes takes this one. 'A man who can surpass any limits (Goku) cannot defeat a man who has none (Superman).'

Offline jake oneTopic starter

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2013, 08:46:32 PM »
Exalent point. However superman has a limit, kryptonite. So he isnt completely invincoble.

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Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2013, 09:11:18 PM »
You'd also have to take into account where the battle takes place.  It's canon that Superman gets his power from the fact that the Earth's sun radiates different energy wavelengths than Krypton's sun.  Goku, on the other hand, would fight at equal levels (adjusted for gravitation) in any system.  Of course, Goku would want to challenge himself by taking Superman on where the Man of Steel was strongest (as there would be no other reason for him to even fight Superman than the challenge - it's not like he'd be defending anyone from the Ultimate Boy Scout).

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Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2013, 09:33:10 PM »
You'd also have to take into account where the battle takes place.  It's canon that Superman gets his power from the fact that the Earth's sun radiates different energy wavelengths than Krypton's sun.  Goku, on the other hand, would fight at equal levels (adjusted for gravitation) in any system.  Of course, Goku would want to challenge himself by taking Superman on where the Man of Steel was strongest (as there would be no other reason for him to even fight Superman than the challenge - it's not like he'd be defending anyone from the Ultimate Boy Scout).

I was with a girl that posed this question to me once and swapped Vegeta in for Goku for that very reason, it's easier to come up with a "why".

But regardless of which Saiyan was in the battle, I usually sided with Superman.  We know from evidence shown to us that even the most powerful of Saiyans can't survive (a) in a vacuum or (b) direct contact with the sun.  Both are things that Superman has no problem with which gives him an advantage if it's a "fight to save the world" kind of fight.  Superman's capable (depending on the writer) of kicking his heat vision up that high if he needs to, albeit doing so usually drains him if he's not doing it in direct sunlight.  It's like Bulbasaur's solar beam, it can be just as much a liability as an asset if the atmosphere isn't on his side.  Superman also has (or at least had at one point, I don't know what abilities and limitations he has in the New 52) the ability to fly into the sun and over-charge his own power.

Meanwhile, Superman's most exploitable weaknesses are kryptonite, magic, and the rays of a red sun.  Goku, or any Saiyan really, is unlikely to really capitalize on those weaknesses either because they don't have access to them or just want to fight him at his strongest.  All three are really wonky and inconsistent about how badly they effect him, but assuming the worst case of any of 'em it could amount to an instant victory for his opponent.

The more I think about it, though, if it were a "just dicking around" kind of battle (not out of character for Goku or Superman, really) I think that might be more likely to go Goku's way.  In that case Goku has a distinct advantage of being aware of his opponent's limits and strength before the battle starts (since he can sense that stuff) and he'll know exactly how hard he can hit.  While Superman is used to the "world of cardboard" problem and will only push himself as far as he knows it's safe to push.  Superman would always be striking with just under the amount of power he probably could use... meanwhile, I don't think Goku even holds back when he's throwing punches at his children.

So I guess that would be my answer.  No stakes: Could go either way, but I lean Goku.  High Stakes End of the World kinda battle: I lean Superman all the way, unless his opponent has both the cunning and the means to "cheat" by exploiting his weaknesses.

Offline BlightRaptor

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2013, 04:14:32 AM »
Moon Knight. All he has to do is speak to them and they'll go cry in a corner.

Offline Driskoll

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2013, 12:52:46 PM »
Moon Knight. All he has to do is speak to them and they'll go cry in a corner.

I can't help but feel that you might be just a tad bit biased :P

Offline Retro Heretic

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2013, 07:16:08 PM »
Superman peaks his lift around 100 tons
100 tons = 100,000 kg = 220,462.262 lbs
An average person can lift 40% of their weight
An average person weighs 80kg, 40% of that is 32kg
100,000/32 = 3125, meaning superman can lift 3125 times the average man

Now, remember when Raditz scanned a human and his power level was 5?
Well, Superman's PL is 3125x5, which is 15625
Goku, when training with Kai, reached 16000PL using kaioken2x
When using kaioken4x, he reached around 40k

And he just keeps going....

Goku wins. Science proves it.

Offline jake oneTopic starter

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2013, 10:13:49 PM »
It is hard to argue with science. Unless your religion then its easy *laughs at the joke*.

Offline Chris Brady

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2013, 10:56:41 PM »
Apparently, Superman has been working out.

Offline Sabby

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2013, 12:00:42 AM »
You're seriously using mathematics to compare Goku and Superman? xD Two characters whose only plot arc is repeating "I MUST BE A UNDEFINED MEASURE STRONGER THEN I CURRENTLY AM" I mean, what does the Scouter actually read? You don't know if it only takes physical strength into account, so the equation is based on an assumption, and the assumption itself based on a contradiction, that being Supermans strength.

And this is why I love these topics :3 they're so ridiculous and yet so straight faced.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2013, 12:17:35 AM »
You're seriously using mathematics to compare Goku and Superman? xD Two characters whose only plot arc is repeating "I MUST BE A UNDEFINED MEASURE STRONGER THEN I CURRENTLY AM" I mean, what does the Scouter actually read? You don't know if it only takes physical strength into account, so the equation is based on an assumption, and the assumption itself based on a contradiction, that being Supermans strength.

And this is why I love these topics :3 they're so ridiculous and yet so straight faced.

In the DBZ universe power level determines the strength of a fighter.  While yes they are physically strong, that really doesn't matter.  Ki is what does.  Ki amplifies their combative abilities. 

Offline Moraline

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2013, 10:28:31 AM »
Apparently, Superman has been working out.

That image answers the raw strength question. He has enough to humiliate Goku with that alone.

Let's also remember that he once flew so fast (Superman Movie) that he actually turned back time as well. So even time isn't an obstacle to Superman.

Superman is forever!

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Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2013, 12:34:46 PM »
Clearly the answer is The Doctor as he goes back in times and prevents Goku and Superman's parents from ever meeting causing them to never exist.

The real ultimate question is Doc Brown and Marty McFly vs The Doctor.
TARDS VS DeLorean. Biff Tanner Vs The Master.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2013, 01:01:55 PM »
Clearly the answer is The Doctor as he goes back in times and prevents Goku and Superman's parents from ever meeting causing them to never exist.

The real ultimate question is Doc Brown and Marty McFly vs The Doctor.
TARDS VS DeLorean. Biff Tanner Vs The Master.

Humans with a car that has to build up speed to travel through time and stay on earth or a Time Lord who can go anywhere and a brain that makes Doc Brown look like a kid barely out of diapers.  Hmmm I wonder.  Biff vs The Master is a hands down contest.  I'm a fan of both mind you but lets be honest here, They can't go back in time and kill the Doctor, he'd just reincarnate and they can't very well go to his home planet as they don't know where it is.  Doctor has the upper hand in every situation.  The only thing stopping this is that both want to use their abilities for good.  Biff and The master are a complete other story but seriously Biff couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.

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Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2013, 01:20:23 PM »
Humans with a car that has to build up speed to travel through time and stay on earth or a Time Lord who can go anywhere and a brain that makes Doc Brown look like a kid barely out of diapers.  Hmmm I wonder.  Biff vs The Master is a hands down contest.  I'm a fan of both mind you but lets be honest here, They can't go back in time and kill the Doctor, he'd just reincarnate and they can't very well go to his home planet as they don't know where it is.  Doctor has the upper hand in every situation.  The only thing stopping this is that both want to use their abilities for good.  Biff and The master are a complete other story but seriously Biff couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.


But you know what team BTf does have? Huh? I do...


Back to the Future soundtrack - The Power Of Love with Lyrics

The Doctor might be smarter and more powerful but he does not have the power of love.


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Offline LilyRoseBlack23

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2013, 01:50:24 PM »
I say superman, but >.< I have no idea who Goku is, the name sounds familiar but .....  ???

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Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2013, 01:57:45 PM »
The Goku referred to is the one from the Dragonball animes.  Although, now I'm wondering how it would stack up if Goku from Saiyuki got involved...  Minus his limiter, of course.

Offline SinXAzgard21

Re: A deep deep philisophical question that has been on my mind.
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2013, 04:54:11 PM »
The Goku referred to is the one from the Dragonball animes.  Although, now I'm wondering how it would stack up if Goku from Saiyuki got involved...  Minus his limiter, of course.

Lets put Saint Seiya into the mix as well.