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Offline Callie Del NoireTopic starter

Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #125 on: October 23, 2012, 11:25:02 PM »
I notice nowhere is the consequences and issues discussion is slapping the 'fathers' with a lifetime of support or accountability. Or magically 'fixing' the stigma of single motherhood that these self-same groups seem to enjoy throwing out. (I notice damnable few efforts to support the victims in these speeches..it's all 'oh noes.. they are kiling de babies..we have ta save them.. what..after? That's the GIRL'S problem')

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #126 on: October 23, 2012, 11:40:44 PM »
Seriously, what is in the water this year?

http://act.watchdog.net/petitions/1611?l=dIDyeplJeHo

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #127 on: October 24, 2012, 12:32:14 AM »
I notice nowhere is the consequences and issues discussion is slapping the 'fathers' with a lifetime of support or accountability. Or magically 'fixing' the stigma of single motherhood that these self-same groups seem to enjoy throwing out. (I notice damnable few efforts to support the victims in these speeches..it's all 'oh noes.. they are kiling de babies..we have ta save them.. what..after? That's the GIRL'S problem')

Apparently, there is at least one rapist who was trying to get visitation rights after the judge slapped him with child support.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/massachusetts-rapist-seeks-visitation-victims-child/story?id=17349095#.UId8-Wfi6So

Offline Callie Del NoireTopic starter

Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #128 on: October 24, 2012, 12:42:17 AM »
Apparently, there is at least one rapist who was trying to get visitation rights after the judge slapped him with child support.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/massachusetts-rapist-seeks-visitation-victims-child/story?id=17349095#.UId8-Wfi6So

Wow.. I thought a judge would have more empathy to a victim than that... what an utter tool

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #129 on: October 24, 2012, 01:13:22 AM »
Actually, I think the judge was trying to help the girl out by getting her child support in the first place. Convicted rapists should absolutely, positively have to pay child support without having ANY parental rights whatsoever - but I think the law hasn't caught up with that concept quite yet so the judge sent it over to Family Court so she could at least get some restitution.

That's how I understand it, anyway. It was a mistake, sure, but I don't think it was done out of a lack of empathy.

Offline Callie Del NoireTopic starter

Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #130 on: October 24, 2012, 01:17:19 AM »
You're right Trieste.. but it's damnably short-sighted in an experienced criminal judge to assume that a perp WOULDN'T try to take advantage.

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #131 on: October 24, 2012, 01:23:56 AM »
Actually, an experienced criminal judge would likely be aware that the large percentage of sexual assaults and rapes are opportunistic rather than pre-planned. What he's doing is actually a little ballsy for an admitted rapist, and - please don't get me wrong, it REALLY SUCKS for the victim - it could not really have been predicted. It's one of those things that you would normally say "Well, it's possible... but it's possible I'll be struck by lightning in the next storm, too".

And remember that news is reported on because it's not run of the mill, too.

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #132 on: October 24, 2012, 05:53:32 AM »
Well, what the article points out is that the judge could have ruled for the victim receiving restitution which would have amounted to child support payments.  This would have kept the situation out of Family Court and also kept the father away from claiming any rights to the child because the payments are for the harm done to the woman, not participating in parenthood.  I can only hazard a guess that the judge thought she would have a better chance at child support through Family Court or figured she might get more money in that way.  Not quite sure what the reasoning could be there.  Though I agree with Trieste, the judge probably didn’t see that one coming.

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #133 on: October 24, 2012, 12:47:47 PM »
I seriously have to wonder what in the hell is wrong with people these days. 

Richard Mourdock has gone one the record for saying that if a woman gets pregnant from rape, it was God's plan.


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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #134 on: October 24, 2012, 02:14:19 PM »
Nods at Mith, that weird interpretation of "act of God" even made a news splash here in northern Europe.

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #135 on: October 24, 2012, 02:15:02 PM »
You’d think if God wanted a woman pregnant he would present her with at least a good one night stand, not a horrific assault on her person.

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #136 on: October 24, 2012, 02:19:16 PM »
You’d think if God wanted a woman pregnant he would present her with at least a good one night stand, not a horrific assault on her person.

Exactly.  Well, since (according to Mourdock) God is the only one that can create life, I'd think if God wanted a woman to be pregnant, he has the option of immaculate conception. 

......wait, that's a whole 'nother topic.  >.> 

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #137 on: October 24, 2012, 02:21:59 PM »
Exactly.  Well, since (according to Mourdock) God is the only one that can create life, I'd think if God wanted a woman to be pregnant, he has the option of immaculate conception. 

......wait, that's a whole 'nother topic.  >.> 

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #138 on: October 24, 2012, 02:58:42 PM »
I seriously have to wonder what in the hell is wrong with people these days. 

Richard Mourdock has gone one the record for saying that if a woman gets pregnant from rape, it was God's plan.

Ah, Richard Mourdock... the only Senate Candidate that Romney's endorsed with a TV commercial.

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #139 on: October 24, 2012, 03:03:36 PM »
Exactly.  Well, since (according to Mourdock) God is the only one that can create life, I'd think if God wanted a woman to be pregnant, he has the option of immaculate conception. 

......wait, that's a whole 'nother topic.  >.>
What's the Mormon stance on the virgin birth of Jesus Christ?  :D

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #140 on: October 24, 2012, 03:43:02 PM »
What's the Mormon stance on the virgin birth of Jesus Christ?  :D

That it was a totally legitimate... um... religious experience for the Virgin Mary.

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #141 on: October 24, 2012, 03:45:30 PM »
Just to remedy a common mis'conception' (pun intended):

The Immaculate Conception is not the same thing as the Virgin Birth.  The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary being born without Original Sin (the one that we supposedly got burdened with when Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden.)

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #142 on: October 24, 2012, 03:48:15 PM »
Just to remedy a common mis'conception' (pun intended):

The Immaculate Conception is not the same thing as the Virgin Birth.  The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary being born without Original Sin (the one that we supposedly got burdened with when Adam and Eve disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden.)

Yes, aware of the distinction. Just took the virgin birth because it's the more commonly known of the two and there is some kind of relation between them.

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #143 on: October 24, 2012, 04:03:37 PM »
Romney, despite the Mourdock's assertion that women who get pregnant from rape shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion, because the pregnancy was planned by God, has refused to back down from supporting Mourdock. Romney's ad supporting Mourdock will continue to run, according to Romney's campaign.

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Romney spokesperson Andrea Saul emails:

Gov. Romney disagrees with Richard Mourdock, and Mr. Mourdock’s comments do not reflect Gov. Romney’s views. We disagree on the policy regarding exceptions for rape and incest but still support him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/romney-disagrees-with-mourdock-but-still-supports-him/2012/10/24/e170a784-1df3-11e2-9cd5-b55c38388962_blog.html

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #144 on: October 24, 2012, 04:38:24 PM »
I seriously have to wonder what in the hell is wrong with people these days. 

Richard Mourdock has gone one the record for saying that if a woman gets pregnant from rape, it was God's plan.



As detestable as i find these ideas spouted, at least they are consistent with his belief. If everything that happens in the world is god's plan, that means the rape was god's plan as well as the resulting pregnancy. Now to me it just means we're dealing with some seriously messed up deity. But you cannot imagine how many times things are done away with "Ah but it is god's plan" Basically I don't think that even if there would be a god, our current situation in this world proves that either he doesn't really have any plan, or that he/she is one truly disturbed individual/multipality.


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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #145 on: October 24, 2012, 04:49:55 PM »
As detestable as i find these ideas spouted, at least they are consistent with his belief. If everything that happens in the world is god's plan, that means the rape was god's plan as well as the resulting pregnancy. Now to me it just means we're dealing with some seriously messed up deity. But you cannot imagine how many times things are done away with "Ah but it is god's plan" Basically I don't think that even if there would be a god, our current situation in this world proves that either he doesn't really have any plan, or that he/she is one truly disturbed individual/multipality.

Yeah. It's one of the big reasons why I cannot believe in the God of Moses and Abraham. He cannot be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent by our current definitions. Going by "ye olde" definitions, it's possible, but "ye olde" definitions acknowledges the presence of other Gods who seem to be more squared away in my book. And since I'm not Jewish, at least not by the traditional definition, the God of Abraham, according to the old ways, could give a fuck what I do. I've got a weird synthesis of Norse and Greek deities that I pray to, with the occasional Egyptian deity thrown in for good measure, on the odd occasion that I pray.

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #146 on: October 24, 2012, 04:52:23 PM »
    I wondered if it was the 'no such thing as a pregnancy without Cosmic Duty to conceive' Kool-Aid. 

No need to abort if you should have done it naturally if you really needed to....  Was that the idea?

I wonder how these fuckbals would feel about Baby Faith the zombaby---she was born anencephalic, with her skull and most of her brain missing. Her religioustard mother took her seizures and leaks and squeals of pain as 'Faith talking early!' and 'a miracle!'

Baby Faith shat herself to death bloodily at three months old.

Was she God's will? Did God ordain that her mother should be drugged and have sex forced on her, only to discover the result of that trauma was a brainless monstrosity? Is that 'the miracle of God's love'?

Bullshit. This is why I'm not a Christian.

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #147 on: October 24, 2012, 09:01:38 PM »
I seriously have to wonder what in the hell is wrong with people these days. 

Richard Mourdock has gone one the record for saying that if a woman gets pregnant from rape, it was God's plan.

My jaw dropped when I saw this on the news today. I'm embarrassed to be an American at this point. I hope he gets anally raped so that everyone can tell him to suck it up because it was god's will.


Offline TheGlyphstone

Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #148 on: October 24, 2012, 09:05:30 PM »
My jaw dropped when I saw this on the news today. I'm embarrassed to be an American at this point. I hope he gets anally raped so that everyone can tell him to suck it up because it was god's will.

Pity he can't get anally pregnant as well.

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Re: GOP drinking the 'No such thing as Rape' Kool Aid
« Reply #149 on: October 24, 2012, 09:06:14 PM »
I would believe in god if that happened  XD