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Offline IniquitousTopic starter

"I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« on: November 17, 2011, 10:04:20 PM »
This is disturbing, and yet further proof that this is NOT the woman to sit in the Oval Office.

The Candidate Vow .... and if you need a bigger size to read what the vows actually are ....  here.

I find so many things wrong with this that I do not know where to begin.

Offline Martee

Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 10:39:32 PM »
There's so much insanity in that I don't know where to begin.

Where do these people come from?  Who are they representing?  There's (almost*) nothing at all in that document that I agree with. Who the hell is she appealing to?




*downsizing the Federal debt would be nice, and as much a I'm all for freedom of religion, from what I understand of Sharia law, it makes my skin crawl.

Offline Sel Nar

Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 10:43:00 PM »
Especially love how the 'pledge' lumps pornography in right next to infanticide and abortion in the same sentence as something women should be 'protected against'.

Also; 'seduction into promiscuity.' There's a wonderfully vague term that translates roughly to 'jail time for anyone between the age of puberty and dead that dares show off any sort of sexualized characteristic', depending on just how fundie the policymaker is.

Ooh, also, how the last part of the pledge specifically states defense of the first amendment for religious liberties, while less than 4 lines above it says 'vehmently oppose certain religious practices'.

The Stupid. IT BURNS.

So glad I live in Canada.

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2011, 12:12:14 AM »
Wow, I now have to call my friend back. There is now a Canidate that makes Sarah Palin look rational. Still stupid but rational

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2011, 02:00:36 AM »
I like how it's all against sex of any kind and then says:

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Recognizing of the overwhelmingly statistical evidence that married people enjoy . . . better sex . . .

I mean it's like I thought this was against the enjoyment of sex of any kind!

But really I mean everything in this screams "I want to establish theocracy" cause that's all this is, extreme fanatasism that makes things I've seen look normal.

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2011, 06:54:52 AM »
This is the kind of thing that pisses me off about the Right-Wing and makes it hard to lean conservative. Concerning those pledges that involve pushing forth acts to ensure marriage is specified as one man and one woman, how can someone read that and not believe it to be unconstitutional?

Well, if Michelle Bachman WAS on my radar before, she's well off it now. Marriage shouldn't be an Institution to begin with.

I'm also curious about those statistics of married couples (but only one man and one woman!) having all around better lives. I know my parents have made everyone's life a living Hell for the past 30-some years, and honestly I've always wondered why they've never gotten a divorce. Am I somehow in the minority, here?

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2011, 06:56:06 AM »
All right, I admit to being fiscally conservative but most of this goes against the core conservative belief of a SMALLER  gov't. I want gov't to butt out of my life more...not just be butting in in different areas! I couldn't read most of this thing, it made me ill the lengths to which this woman seems to believe she has the right to interfere in other people's lives.

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2011, 11:36:50 AM »
I just have one thing to say.  Ahem:

This is why we can't have nice things!

Offline Solstice

Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2011, 05:34:32 PM »
I feel as though this should bother me more than it does--that it should provoke a deeply emotional response, combined with a sense of intellectual outrage, that people holding public office can honestly, seriously make statements like this.

Instead, it doesn't. Perhaps a feeling of "dull surprise"; while I did not expect something quite this far out there, it's not... shocking, in any sense.

Business as usual here in the 'States, I suppose.

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2011, 06:20:38 PM »
It's the old thing about the frog in the cookpot.  If you try to put a frog in boiling water, it's going to jump out immediately.  If you put it in cold water and raise the heat gradually, it will (supposedly) sit quietly the whole time.  The politicians have gradually getting more and more 'out there' until people aren't surprised about this sort of thing.

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2011, 07:39:57 PM »
Aaah, "we are the people of reality" to borrow the catchphrase of the chairman of a small Christian conservative party around these shores. He and some of his supporters might have signed up on much of what Bachmann is about to pledge, but they wouldn't have risked driving those points this hard in an election campaign. Anyway, Bachmann's grand daftness really sets her apart (or does it? yes, even in the GOP running field with people like Perry and Giuliani)

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2011, 07:58:43 PM »
I think Bachmann is a bit on the fringe of the fringe, if that makes sense. 

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2011, 09:02:50 PM »
I'm also curious about those statistics of married couples (but only one man and one woman!) having all around better lives. I know my parents have made everyone's life a living Hell for the past 30-some years, and honestly I've always wondered why they've never gotten a divorce. Am I somehow in the minority, here?

Such 'statistics' come from specifically selecting ideal examples and using them as a base-line. Nothing reliable about them and any reasonable conservative knows better.

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2011, 09:03:33 PM »
I think Bachmann is a bit on the fringe of the fringe, if that makes sense.

She makes the outer edge look like the center.

Offline Starlequin

Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2011, 12:17:02 AM »
Huh. I thought this was from back in June or July or something. The date on the article says it was posted July 8. Weird.  '>.>

Offline DarklingAlice

Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2011, 09:49:22 AM »
All right, I admit to being fiscally conservative but most of this goes against the core conservative belief of a SMALLER  gov't. I want gov't to butt out of my life more...not just be butting in in different areas! I couldn't read most of this thing, it made me ill the lengths to which this woman seems to believe she has the right to interfere in other people's lives.

I agree with this completely and it seems to be a growing trend (at least here in America). The rhetoric of 'small government' almost always tends to mean 'smaller where I want it and bigger everywhere else'. It makes it really hard for me to take the Republicans seriously because so many of their talking points are about how they would increase government interference in the lives of individuals.

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2011, 11:33:00 AM »
What I find scary amidst the rampant fraud and criminal conspiracy involving financial institutions the conservative candidates like Bachmann and Cain want to roll up a LOT of governmental investigational ability. I mean.. kill off Department of Energy,Commerce and I think one candidate wanted to take out Homeland Security as well.

Don't get me wrong.. Homeland Security has it's flaws.. but it was the first attempt in DECADES to build some sort of intelligence sharing  link between the various groups in the US. I mean just on domestic side you've got the FBI, DEA, ATF, Border Partrol & INS as well as the Secret Service. That's what.. four different departments..and the Coast Guard used to be the red headed step child of the DoT. That is a lot of domestic investigative authority split and playing against each other.

'Small Government' doesn't mean that we do away with the watchdog portions of it. Department of Energy is a MASSIVE regulatory and monitoring agency. Without them the energy scalpers would do even more. Anyone remember the brownouts that came after the deregulation of California's energy industry in the late 90s?

I was in San Diego when it happened. Overnight I had a DOZEN co-workers who had to move out of town and back onto the base housing because they couldn't afford to keep their family in AC and lights with the pay hikes and at least two of them had exceptional family members that required consistent power for their welfare.

Not to mention a dozen businesses (not all of them small) went under from costs from the brownouts. Nothing like having your entire milk stock go sour because the brownouts burned out your refrigeration systems.

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2011, 11:37:05 AM »
Not to mention a dozen businesses (not all of them small) went under from costs from the brownouts. Nothing like having your entire milk stock go sour because the brownouts burned out your refrigeration systems.

This is why, if I was looking into starting a business around here, I'd invest in a backup generator.  We've had so many brownouts and power cuts that I need to replace my UPS.

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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2011, 11:58:52 AM »
This is why, if I was looking into starting a business around here, I'd invest in a backup generator.  We've had so many brownouts and power cuts that I need to replace my UPS.

The thing that got me was it was almost literally one day power is regulated and we had NO problems.. the next we're talking city wide brown outs as the companies were selling their 'excess' power elsewhere without a concern to what it was doing.

It was of the issues that got Gov. Brown kicked out.

It was weird having like a bunch of senior petty officers and cheifs having to rent out homes and move onto base because they couldn't afford power costs when a mere two months earlier they could. I had one chief have to sell his house and look for another tour so he could relocate to some place more affordable (this was about halfway through the 'right sizing' of military pay that started during the Clinton/Bush years)

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2011, 10:35:01 AM »
My first reading of this, I thought it said that married couples were less likely to have extramarital pregnancies than unmarried couples. Wut.

Apparently it's actually children raised by married couples, but still. Wut.

Offline Florence

Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2011, 10:34:18 AM »
Wow... that's just... Whenever I think "Nothing politicians do can surprise me anymore" they pull out a new trick.

Especially love how the 'pledge' lumps pornography in right next to infanticide and abortion in the same sentence as something women should be 'protected against'.

Also; 'seduction into promiscuity.' There's a wonderfully vague term that translates roughly to 'jail time for anyone between the age of puberty and dead that dares show off any sort of sexualized characteristic', depending on just how fundie the policymaker is.

Ooh, also, how the last part of the pledge specifically states defense of the first amendment for religious liberties, while less than 4 lines above it says 'vehmently oppose certain religious practices'.

The Stupid. IT BURNS.

So glad I live in Canada.

I really enjoyed that part to, where my love of 'adult materials' apparently places me in the same category as a baby-killer.

Offline Outlier

Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2011, 07:39:52 PM »
I will admit to the fact that my family is the lower 50% of American households, but just barely. My sister and I receive excellent educational benefits because my dad is a disabled veteran. I. Am. Lucky. Even as a type 1 diabetic I understand and believe that I am one of the lucky ones. I mention I have T1 because when I reach one of the following criteria I no longer will have my parents' health insurances to cover me: age 25, no longer a full time student. Aside from the woman I met at the Books A Million cafe, marriage is not a major concern. The major concerns are jobs, the financial system, jobs, future energy, and jobs. Did I mention jobs? What happened to the Republican party saying their focus would be on jobs? So many of my classmates have had to drop out of school because they cannot afford to attend. So many of my classmates who want insurance must go without insurance because they cannot afford it. Those that have jobs are being kept at part time so that they do not qualify for any benefits. It should be illegal to exploit someone like that. It should be illegal to try to force someone to quit by giving them only one hour a week knowing they have bills to pay and are available and willing to work more hours. At least if they were fired they can collect unemployment right?

I do not understand why the Republican party is concerning themselves with marriage when there are so many others issues to address first. Now I shall pass the soapbox to the next person.

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« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2011, 07:52:33 PM »
I will admit to the fact that my family is the lower 50% of American households, but just barely. My sister and I receive excellent educational benefits because my dad is a disabled veteran. I. Am. Lucky. Even as a type 1 diabetic I understand and believe that I am one of the lucky ones. I mention I have T1 because when I reach one of the following criteria I no longer will have my parents' health insurances to cover me: age 25, no longer a full time student. Aside from the woman I met at the Books A Million cafe, marriage is not a major concern. The major concerns are jobs, the financial system, jobs, future energy, and jobs. Did I mention jobs? What happened to the Republican party saying their focus would be on jobs? So many of my classmates have had to drop out of school because they cannot afford to attend. So many of my classmates who want insurance must go without insurance because they cannot afford it. Those that have jobs are being kept at part time so that they do not qualify for any benefits. It should be illegal to exploit someone like that. It should be illegal to try to force someone to quit by giving them only one hour a week knowing they have bills to pay and are available and willing to work more hours. At least if they were fired they can collect unemployment right?

I do not understand why the Republican party is concerning themselves with marriage when there are so many others issues to address first. Now I shall pass the soapbox to the next person.

Because the leadership, not the elected but the actual party leaders, goes with the loudest most seen segment. That is the ultraconservative and religious right who will back them. The old part leaders are TERRIFIED of losing control and with these factions behind them they can hold on to control. No matter how STUPID or limiting their issues are to the overall party platform.

It USED to be that the party came behind a candidate and support them. That was how Regan and Bush 1 got elected. Now it's 'our way or the highway'  with them. They bad mouthed Senator McCain's kids in the last election, and I'm sure that when Newt and Romney get more of the moderates they'll sling the smelly brownstuff at them this time around.

And the leadership will stay quiet because they know with folks like Newt, Romney and Paul won't play their silly reindeer games. They have control of the others and want that sort of person in the Oval Office. Someone that THEY control

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« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2011, 09:58:10 PM »
The major concerns are jobs, the financial system, jobs, future energy, and jobs. Did I mention jobs? What happened to the Republican party saying their focus would be on jobs? So many of my classmates have had to drop out of school because they cannot afford to attend. So many of my classmates who want insurance must go without insurance because they cannot afford it.

I do not understand why the Republican party is concerning themselves with marriage when there are so many others issues to address first. Now I shall pass the soapbox to the next person.
The Republican Party is very good at being on-message when they talk to different segments of the population.

Their base tends to be much more financially stable than the rest of the country, so they don't really want to hear about jobs as much as social issues and wealth protection (i.e. opposition of taxation of those who are already financially stable).

When they talk to the populace at large, they talk jobs, because they're stepping out of their element and actually need a palatable message that's fit for general consumption.

And make no mistake, most successful politicians today -- especially on the right thanks to figures like Frank Luntz -- do not simply state their views.  They do so using focus tested statements that are designed to incorporate terminology which should (if the statistical magical holds up) illicit a positive response from voters.

On a more general note, I hope Bachmann gets the nomination (though there's no way in hell she will), because it would be hysterical watching her trying to do a 180 to pander to the general populace during the actual election.

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Re: "I, Michelle Bachmann, Pledge...."
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2011, 12:27:44 AM »
Bachmann has no chance in hell of being elected, and if by some fluke does would be an ineffective president, while Obama hasn't done everything right at least he got a few things accomplished, but we need someone who can get things done, he has high minded ideas but slammed into a brick wall, most of the Republican canidates give me the wrong vibe, if it wasn't for paul's being in with the koch and oppisation to major needed things, he'd be my choice, he would get alot done.
the problem as stated above is his being too axe happy and I am worried about the same croniisim we saw under bush 2.

the republican party has lost an incredible amount of support and ligitimacy among the younger generation of americans, those from 30 down, while still outnumbered by baby boomers this is a major problem, the more they play to the far right the less people like them.
like him or hate him Prez obama's election was a watershed moment where many youth voted in suprising numbers and gave him incredible amounts of money via small donations to run his campain, when i hear republicans say things like "grass roots movement" it makes me snicker I always see people in the 40+ range at rallies, never any fresh young faces.
my father is a republican and unlike many I talk to, he is politically aware of reality, intelligent, understanding, and a good blue collar construction site manager. I actually ask his opinion and debate with him on many political issues I don't understand. he's also a member of the tea party, but doesn't take it to irrational places, and doesn't hate the president even if he disagrees with some policies, and likes others.
the booing of machell obama at nascar was somthing that pissed us both off in perticular, his response was looking at the scene and his opinion of it went like "that's just stupid, she's premoting a good cause, if you don't like her husband take it to the ballot box. it's all in bad taste"
I used to be right leaning till bush came along, then I saw the republican party slowly drift away from my beliefs and into a madness and sense of unreality that now grips them.
there is too much venom on the right, the tea party's views seemed like they were for me untill they began breaking out the crazy, and the pretending the prez was the cause of all their woes, and was trying to destroy america.
oh when we discussing the "obamacare" bill my dad's response was "it's not just him, he asked for the bill signed it, and took credit for it, but it was Pelosi and Reed who wrote it and got everyone to sign off on it" he brought up her quote of "we won't know what's in the bill untill we actually approve it" as an example, stupid shit. he thinks we should have a good sane healthcare bill, and debate it rationally and take out time working the kinks out. I have to agree.
we talked a while and decided "obamapelosireedcare" didn't roll off the tounge as a soundbite.

still I can't believe there are people so unattached to reality as to concider somthing like this pledge. we all know prohibiton didn't work, and prior laws restricting marrage and "Illicet and immoral things" on the basis of religon and polotical idology do not work.
the law for gay marrage should be simple me and dad agree on this one. "we should allow justices to marry citizans this is in a state sense, but a church or temple has the right to deny a religious cerimony to those who do not fit into it's deffination of marrage, restrictions on porn, marrage, abortion, and other such things are not the government's job, they have more important things to do that tell us how to live our lives, like fixing our ecomomy and dealing with other nations. you can not legislate morality, that is the job of your parents, local taboos, and culture."

phew politcal rant done