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Offline LiliasTopic starter

The Trouble With Miss USA...
« on: May 18, 2010, 01:06:44 PM »
...is that she's an Arab. And a Muslim. And the screaming political fringe throws a paddy.

Personally? She's so hot that my laptop is in danger of overheating. Totally a case of 'I'd hit that', straight as I am.

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2010, 01:41:00 PM »
Assuming that the quotes in the articles are genuine (I don't watch pageants), I'd be embarrassed for my gender no matter what race she was.  The fluffery about her being an Al Quaeda plant was pretty ridiculous, but suggesting that birth control was a 'controlled substance'?

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2010, 02:31:26 PM »
Well, given the culture she's from, she's probably talking about hormonal birth control, not 'unmanning' condoms. Aren't prescription drugs controlled substances?

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2010, 02:55:07 PM »
Only in the sense that you need a prescription.  The two are not equivalent.  Lipitor and Viagara are prescription drugs, but they are not considered 'controlled substances'. 

'Controlled' substances is physician/legal-talk for 'drugs with the potential for abuse', such as pain pills.

There are five levels of what doctors and cops call 'controlled' drugs:

Schedule I: Medications having no legal use.  These substances may be used for research purposes with the proper registration.  Examples:  LSD, heroin.

Schedule II: Medications having a legitimate medical use but are characterized by a very high abuse potential and/or potential for severe physical and mental dependency.  Emergency telepohne orders for limited quantities of these drugs are authorized, but the prescriber must provide a written, signed prescription order.  Examples: morphine, amphetimines.

Schedule III: Medications having significant abuse potential, but less than Schedule II.  Telephone orders are permitted.  Examples: opiates in combination with other substances such as acetaminophen. (Tylenol with Codeine)

Schedule IV: Medications having a low abuse potential.  Telephone orders are permitted.  Examples: benzodiazepines, propoxyphene (Darvocet)

Schedule V: Medications having the lowest abuse potential of the controlled substances.  Some Schedule V products may be available without a prescription (certain cough preparations containing limited amounts of an opiate.

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2010, 03:25:55 PM »
Eh.

Just like I wouldn't expect the average person to know the difference between hypertension and hypotension, I don't expect a random beauty queen to know the difference between 'substance controlled by prescription' and 'controlled substance'. It's really not a big deal.

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2010, 03:27:52 PM »
So, if the cops ask her if she's on any controlled substances, she's supposed to say 'yes', because she's got a scrip for Yaz?

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2010, 03:31:30 PM »
Of course not, but how many cops do you figure get correct answers to that question even 50% of the time?

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2010, 03:33:10 PM »
Normally, it's wrong the other way - and it's out of deception, not ignorance ;D

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2010, 03:37:44 PM »
Oh, picky picky. s/correct/accurate


Stinker. :P

Offline LiliasTopic starter

Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2010, 03:40:18 PM »
I put down money that if she wins Miss Universe, there won't be a single mention of un-Americanness >.<

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2010, 09:28:33 PM »
I guess there aren't more important things to bitch about.  The quote was correct (there wasn't anything better on).  But if you think about it, when you're up there on stage with all those people staring at you, who can think straight.  All of them gave stupid answers void of any real opinion.  They were probably trying to avoid what happened to Miss South Carolina last year.  That's my guess anyway.  But her race?  People just really need to get over the whole Muslim thing.  Somehow, if she competed and wore a swimsuit on stage, I don't think her family are Muslim extremists. 

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2010, 06:17:59 AM »
It's a marvelous age we live in that this is what our pundits have time to fret over.

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2010, 08:17:55 AM »
I wasn't aware that we chose Miss USA on the basis of her intellectual merits.  It's not like this is a beauty pageant or anything...

At least it's not another Carrie Prejean catastrophe.  I just wish that story would've been followed through loudly and publicly so that everyone could've heard her judgmental comments made on conservative outlets about the sanctity of marriage followed by the release of her sex tape.

Wonder if that's on the net yet... could be hot.
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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2010, 08:59:39 AM »
I wasn't aware that we chose Miss USA on the basis of her intellectual merits.  It's not like this is a beauty pageant or anything...

That's actually just one of my beefs with pageants in general, although - if we only expect Miss America/Miss USA to be a vapid display piece for little girls to emulate, why bother asking her questions about health care to begin with?

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2010, 11:43:28 AM »
Yep.

And off of the link above, I found this gem: Affirmative Action in Beauty Contests. The defensive wording of the author is unpleasant, but the article was an interesting killer of 5 minutes of my life.

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2010, 09:30:45 PM »
Can I have s'more Arabic women, please?   ::)

Offline Cythieus

Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2010, 08:27:44 AM »
I actually don't think she's Muslim. She's beautiful though.

Offline LiliasTopic starter

Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2010, 08:42:37 AM »
I actually don't think she's Muslim.

Actually, she is.

Quote from: CNN
During and after the Miss USA pageant, Fakih's religious and ethnic identity became the subject of widespread discussion. On the subject of identity, she was quoted as saying "I'd like to say I'm American first, and I am an Arab-American, I am Lebanese-American, and I am Muslim-American."

But yes, she's beautiful, and that's why she won.

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2010, 09:25:25 AM »
I thought I had heard her say somewhere she wasn't practicing or something? Well I don't know what the big fuss about it is anyway. People want to get mad when an Arabic person does anything these days.

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2010, 12:47:17 PM »
Muslim women are supposed to cover themselves, not wear bikinis.
Catholics are supposed to go to church every Sunday.
Taoists are supposed to not care about politics.
Buddhists are supposed to meditate every day.
And Atheists shouldn't shout "Jesus Christ!" when they hit their thumb with a hammer, or "God hates me" when things go wrong.
All these folks will obey their rules when pigs fly, which, y'know, they're not supposed to do.

There are as many different kinds of Muslim as there are different kinds of Christian. I worked with a gorgeous Egyptian woman for years and the other women were, every day, complimenting her on her fabrics. Her clothes were way better looking than any other gal, though I personally preferred it when the western women wore short skirts, which the Egyptian gal never did. But she had a real sense of style, in an Arabic way, and was no doubt quite vain. She probably spent an hour getting ready for work every day. And she never forced her opinions or beliefs on anyone, which is more than I can say about some of the Christians I work with! But there are many types of both, and people should be seen for who they themselves really are, not for the assumptions people have about their race or culture.

Offline LiliasTopic starter

Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2010, 02:04:57 PM »
A similar case, though much milder, considering the cultures involved, is developing in Greece right now. The national beauty queen is Anna Prelevic, daughter of veteran basketball champion Bane Prelevic. The family is of Greek ancestry and hold dual Serbian and Greek citizenship, but there are grumbles among the purists based solely on the name. Twats.

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Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2010, 02:33:16 PM »
Yep.

And off of the link above, I found this gem: Affirmative Action in Beauty Contests. The defensive wording of the author is unpleasant, but the article was an interesting killer of 5 minutes of my life.

Ugh. Daniel Pipes is not worth listening to - he's a nutcase who believes every Muslim-American is some kind of sleeper agent for al-Qaeda. Note the way he pulls 5-6 examples of Muslim beauty pageant winners out of several decades, and claims to see a trend of "affirmative action" - that's classic anecdotal fallacies at work. How many hundreds of beauty pageants were held across America in that time period?

Heck, if you just look at the 2005-2010 period, at a minimum, there were 55*5 = 275 pageants held (each state has one, plus a national one, every year). But he also looks at college pageants, and there are 2,700 colleges and universities in the USA; I don't know how many hold yearly beauty pageants but it's got to be at least a plurality. Basically, Muslim beauty pageant winners don't even constitute a percentage point of pageant winners, yet he claims we're seeing "affirmative action" at work. Bull-pockey. He's just a xenophobic zealot profiting from stirring the fears of a dwindling white majority.

Offline Leo

Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2010, 03:37:26 AM »
the screaming political fringe throws a paddy.

The funny thing is, most "Miss Anything"s are not all that bright. Let's face it, they don't need brains to earn money -it couldn't be more obvious. I smell desperate racism.

Offline Leo

Re: The Trouble With Miss USA...
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2010, 11:15:08 AM »
Can I have s'more Arabic women, please?   ::)

There are some over here in Turkey. I'll send you two in exchange for a pale skinned blonde. Deal?

P.S. Intended as a joke, advised to be taken with a grain of salt where it's due :-)