Overlords (Pathfinder Mythic Sandbox)

[TheGlyphstone]

I think Zaer had ruled that we couldn't mix Monster Abilities with Mythic Paths -- you have to pick one 'tree' or the other.

Also, if there is any issue with taking Archmage and Overmind stuff -- you could always just take Dual Path and have access to both.

Mythic Monster rules themselves say outright that you can choose either Universal Monster Abilities or select Mythic Path abilities, so if he ruled that I definitely missed it. But choosing the Monster rules does cost me a lot of Mythic Power (23 Tier for Heroes, 10 for Monsters), so there's a definite tradeoff for being a Monster.

As far as the Archmage/Overmind stuff, the problem is that by RAW none of them actually work - Archmage all specifies Arcane spells, and Overmind abilities only work with Psionic Powers. As a Mesmerist, I cast Psychic spells, which are neither.

[Snake]

In general Psychic spellcasting works the same way arcane spells do. Just somatic and verbal components are switched to be Thought and Emotion components.

[TheGlyphstone]

In general Psychic spellcasting works the same way arcane spells do. Just somatic and verbal components are switched to be Thought and Emotion components.

Hence why I figure Zaer will rubber-stamp the request, but I still need to make it since the RAW is that psychic magic is neither Arcane nor Divine, and can't benefit from abilities that exclusively interact with one or the other.

[Snake]

Indeed but If I were DM I'd think they're closer to arcane spell in some ways, enough to function with abilities that work with arcane spells. But it's up to Zaer

[TheGlyphstone]

Additional request, Zaer, regarding a Mythic feat. Most of them...really, really suck. Example:

Spring Attack (Mythic)
You move across the battlefield in a blur of whirling blades.

Prerequisite(s): Spring Attack, base attack bonus +6.

Benefit: When you use Spring Attack, you don’t need to move at least 10 feet before making the first attack. If you expend one use of mythic power when you start a Spring Attack, the movement you make during the Spring Attack doesn’t provoke attacks of opportunity.

Would you instead allow a 'Mythic Spring Attack' feat that allowed you to make multiple attacks during your movement instead, up to your usual full-attack maximum? Could add a restriction that forces you to make each attack against a different target like Cleave/Whirlwind Attack if you think it's necessary.

[Krys]

Hmm, q: assuming that those CR 23 pixies would fly by the GM. Is that CR 23 base PLUS +3 CR template, or is it one or the other?

[Knarfy]

It's a total CR of 23, counting class levels as CR at a 1:1 ratio.

[Drowdeviant]

It's a total CR of 23, counting class levels as CR at a 1:1 ratio.

Knarfy you're kind of not helping. Krys is also factoring Race points since the pixie race they're using for their character is 24 RP. So basically confusion cause PF throws a crap ton of numbers at you in chargen and Krys not knowing which of those numbers they need to worry about because they're new to PF's system as a whole. :3

In short Krys don't add your gal's racial RP or her mythic tier to the max total of 23CR we're supposed to be at or under. Those are two separate things that only Zaer needs to worry about, not you. *patpats Krys on the head and gives hugs* :3

[Knarfy]

Additional request, Zaer, regarding a Mythic feat. Most of them...really, really suck. Example:

Would you instead allow a 'Mythic Spring Attack' feat that allowed you to make multiple attacks during your movement instead, up to your usual full-attack maximum? Could add a restriction that forces you to make each attack against a different target like Cleave/Whirlwind Attack if you think it's necessary.

Some, maybe most, mythic feats are pretty meh, just like most non-mythic feats. And spells for that matter.

Pathfinder has always suffered from a glut of mediocre options.

There are abilities like what you’re talking about. The Rapid Attack ability from the Mobile Fighter archetype comes to mind: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/fighter/archetypes/paizo-fighter-archetypes/mobile-fighter/

I think one of the dervish fighter archetypes also has a similar ability, though the links to those are broken at the moment and I don’t feel like looking them up.

Honestly though, if you want to get a ‘full spring attack’ sort of deal, my recommendation would just be to simulate it with the Champion path ‘Fleet Charge’ ability, that lets you spend a mythic power to take a move and an attack (at any point during the move) as a swift action. Then you can spend another mythic power on amazing initiative to take an extra standard action for another attack...

I guess what I’m saying is that there are ways to do that sort of thing. They just aren’t mythic spring attack (which I agree sucks).

*Edit* actually, the effect of mythic ride-by would be a good guide for how to do a better mythic spring attack.

[Zaer Darkwail]

Can I assume our characters have the following Leadership modifiers: Great Renown (+2); Special Power (+1); Has a Stronghold/etc (+2)?

Yeap, you would have those mods for sure.

Anyways not plan to change mythic feats (even if some of them suck or are weak). Also that monster tiers allow cherry pick between path abilities (or universal monster abilities). Also I say psychic = arcane as arcane spells which show in psychic list got two more subtypes tacked in (so psychic is more closer related to arcane than divine so anything related to arcane in mythic path wise works for psychic powers if they otherwise qualify for it).

Also race points do not get added to 23 CR limit, just that some powerful races got additional CR (like drow noble is +1 CR race and it got 41 race points). So with your pixie which is 21 race points (which is more than double of most base races), I say it's 0.5 CR worth but I am not going add half CR here and there and rather say that it's CR 0 race (as it's native invisibillity works only when pixie is standing still and is motionless). Also spell resistance is comparable to drow which is CR 0 base race as well.

[Snake]

Hey Zaer, now that you're here. I wanted to ask

Can I trade 2 path abilities to gain them the red dragon's ability to "melt stone" for my  red dragon bloodline bloodrager? since he could use it as described in his dragonforms?

[Krys]

So class (artificer) done, race (pixie) done... hmm template. I'm looking at those:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/fortune-blessed-creature-cr-1/
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/half-celestial/
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/advanced-creature-cr-1/

Has anyone suggestions here?

[Zaer Darkwail]

Hey Zaer, now that you're here. I wanted to ask

Can I trade 2 path abilities to gain them the red dragon's ability to "melt stone" for my  red dragon bloodline bloodrager? since he could use it as described in his dragonforms?

Short answer; no. If you enter mythic path, you renounce ever taking monster tier related abilities. Entering monster tier system you have less stuff but take more freely. However I can allow custom mythic path powers related to dragon disciple/sorcerers with dragon bloodline, taken at 3th, 6th and 9th tiers. You can take dragons iconic mythic monster abilities (which your able to qualify/use otherwise) but to able get higher tier one you need take earlier tier abilities first.

[Drowdeviant]

Short answer; no. If you enter mythic path, you renounce ever taking monster tier related abilities. Entering monster tier system you have less stuff but take more freely. However I can allow custom mythic path powers related to dragon disciple/sorcerers with dragon bloodline, taken at 3th, 6th and 9th tiers. You can take dragons iconic mythic monster abilities (which your able to qualify/use otherwise) but to able get higher tier one you need take earlier tier abilities first.

What about dragon mystery oracles? :3

[Snake]

Hmm so can I renounce the mythic path and pursue the monster stuff to enhance my "super form" transformations? Or am I stuck in it?

and custom abilities would work for me. I only have a few champion abilities I really like

the sudden strike, perfect strike, and blowback. anything else I can stil have from the universal path abilities cuz I read even monsters can have those. Am I right?

[Zaer Darkwail]

What about dragon mystery oracles? :3

Can be discussed :).

Yes, universal path abilities can be taken by monster tiers instead of monster tier abilities. The monster tier is 'jack all trades' regards picking path or universal path abilities. Custom ability which I had in mind is that if there is mythic dragon tier ability in 1, 2 or 3 tier, you take it first and if melt stone is in tier 7, you need take another earlier tier ability in path tier 6 and then path tier 9 take melt stone.

But caveat being you can otherwise qualify (example if some monster tier stuff demands you to be huge or larger and your medium in size then you cannot take it).

[Snake]

So it'd be kind of like "only whe you meet the requirement can you use it" but you don't LOSE it. it's just inaccessible.

Perhaps the custom power is "Draco fundamentum" basically

Tier 3: you grow said organ within your body, augmenting any breath weapon to be used at-will but with the ormal 1d4 round lag time before bursts (like a real dragon) but the lag is like 2d4 instead.

Tier: 6: Your breath weapon now ignores resistance (but not immunity) and you can shape it to be either cone or line (like the old 3.5 monster feat 'shape breath") lag time reduced to 1d4+2 rounds

Tier 9: You gain the mythic power of your bloodline. It only comes into play when you're actually IN your dragon form. via the bloodline power/dragon disciple/Oracle powers.

[Knarfy]

Just FYI, the melt stone ability isn't mythic. All red dragons get it at ancient age category.

[Snake]

Yeah but the Mythic version sounds awesome :3

[Knarfy]

Your missing what I'm saying. There is no mythic version. The melt stone ability is just a thing red dragons do.

Go look at the non mythic red dragon wyrm. It has the same thing :p

[Zaer Darkwail]

So it'd be kind of like "only whe you meet the requirement can you use it" but you don't LOSE it. it's just inaccessible.

Perhaps the custom power is "Draco fundamentum" basically

Tier 3: you grow said organ within your body, augmenting any breath weapon to be used at-will but with the ormal 1d4 round lag time before bursts (like a real dragon) but the lag is like 2d4 instead.

Tier: 6: Your breath weapon now ignores resistance (but not immunity) and you can shape it to be either cone or line (like the old 3.5 monster feat 'shape breath") lag time reduced to 1d4+2 rounds

Tier 9: You gain the mythic power of your bloodline. It only comes into play when you're actually IN your dragon form. via the bloodline power/dragon disciple/Oracle powers.

I am fine with this approach :)

[Snake]

Whoo so I can go ahead and add it to my sheet? ;3

[ChaoticSky]

Woot!    And great minds think alike, Cheeta was exactly what I was looking at!

...I examined Cheeta because you said you were looking at it

Also Brine Dragons are one of the cooler dragons.

[Snake]

But Chaotic...they're so salty *snickers*

[Drowdeviant]

But Chaotic...they're so salty *snickers*

0-0 Brine Dragons are Lawful Neutral snake.