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Author Topic: The Hammonds, the Bundys, and The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge takeover  (Read 2915 times)

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Re: The Hammonds, the Bundys, and The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge takeover
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2016, 06:23:40 AM »
I have, and will never understand the US and its fetish with Militias. Its like they have a permanent hardon for some Red Dawn like fantasy scenario. And Jim Bob and Billy Joe want to be the heroes, never realizing they are in fact not.

I can comprehend wanting to own a weapon for protecting your home, i can even kind of follow the logic of open carry permits... i disagree but ok. I understand and think you should have the right to own weapons if you live in wilderness areas ware you could possibly need them. But it seems like for every sane one you get 20 of these fucknuts.

Actually, it looks like you understand their mindset very well.  I also agree with your second paragraph.  (My biggest disagreement with open carry is, in fact, your final sentence.)  I suspect that the ratio of 'sane ones' to 'fucknuts' is probably much higher, but the sane ones are generally very low-key about it, and the fucknuts are just so loud.

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Re: The Hammonds, the Bundys, and The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge takeover
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2016, 05:21:22 PM »
Actually, it looks like you understand their mindset very well.  I also agree with your second paragraph.  (My biggest disagreement with open carry is, in fact, your final sentence.)  I suspect that the ratio of 'sane ones' to 'fucknuts' is probably much higher, but the sane ones are generally very low-key about it, and the fucknuts are just so loud.

That is pretty much the problem with all groups...ever... and why stereotypes and generalizations exist, (aside from making ti easier for people to insult eachother) because some asshole somewhere had to go and actually make it a thing.

The worst of humanity will always be the loudest and most violent part that we see. But we need to always remember the good parts and that not everyone is 100% of something. Not even 50%...its like 40% at the most. :P

Edit: Still the people who pull stuff like this have what's coming to them. There are other ways to be heard and when even other militia groups are calling you out and saying your wrong, you should really take a moment and wonder if itd be best to just give up to the boys in blue and not drag this out for the people who actually do pay their taxes.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2016, 05:33:11 PM by Lustful Bride »

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Re: The Hammonds, the Bundys, and The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge takeover
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2016, 01:00:11 PM »
It's not over.  Ted Cruz has become a disciple of the Bundy Clan. 

Maybe he'll remember to bring French Vanilla creamer.

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Re: The Hammonds, the Bundys, and The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge takeover
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2016, 02:47:05 PM »
It's not over.  Ted Cruz has become a disciple of the Bundy Clan. 

Maybe he'll remember to bring French Vanilla creamer.



I... i dont think i have anything ells.

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Re: The Hammonds, the Bundys, and The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge takeover
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2016, 07:47:48 PM »
Wow. Worst timing ever for pandering to the voting base, really. And the minority base, at that.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2016, 07:51:00 PM by TheGlyphstone »

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Re: The Hammonds, the Bundys, and The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge takeover
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2016, 06:41:40 AM »
I have, and will never understand the US and its fetish with Militias. Its like they have a permanent hardon for some Red Dawn like fantasy scenario. And Jim Bob and Billy Joe want to be the heroes, never realizing they are in fact not.
I think it's a bit more complicated than that, as there seems to be quite a bit of overlap between militias and Tenth Ammendment advocates, "county supremacist" thought, and even the Sovereign Citizens movement. There is an ideology at work here that's based on the believe that states (or even just counties) are the highest authority in the land, combined with a general mistrust of the federal government, and at least in some cases general anti-government conspiracy theories.

If you want to read up on these topics, this (and the article linked at the end of that page) might be a starting point: http://westernpriorities.org/2016/01/08/explainer-the-influence-of-county-supremacy-doctrine-in-the-oregon-standoff/ (I haven't read through it myself, yet.)

One good source for information (IMO) is the SPLC. An overview is here: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2014/land-use-patriots and the articles on Antigovernment Movements and the Sovereign Citizens here: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology should provide some useful background.