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Offline DracorionTopic starter

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #500 on: November 25, 2012, 03:51:24 PM »
Okay then, Enchantress, couple more things with your sheet:

You seem to have 10 charms + 1 Ox-Body, which means you don't need to buy the Second Presence Excellency with BP, which means you have 4 extra BP.

Also, I noticed you have Conviction rated at 4, which you can't get without spending BP.

Anyway, guys, I'm working on the post now, hopefully today or tomorrow I'll have it up and most of the players can get started.

Online PaleEnchantress

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #501 on: November 25, 2012, 04:23:33 PM »
Okay then, Enchantress, couple more things with your sheet:

You seem to have 10 charms + 1 Ox-Body, which means you don't need to buy the Second Presence Excellency with BP, which means you have 4 extra BP.

Also, I noticed you have Conviction rated at 4, which you can't get without spending BP.

Anyway, guys, I'm working on the post now, hopefully today or tomorrow I'll have it up and most of the players can get started.

Okay fixed the virtue thing, I don't think anything changes since my two highest virtues are 3 + 3 rather than 4 + 2, still being 6.

Also I believe your missing the fact that I have 10 charms + ox body +1 (necromancy) spell. I think you overlooked the last part. If you didn't though and I still have 4 BP let me know because I could sure use another spell or charm.

Offline DracorionTopic starter

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #502 on: November 25, 2012, 04:39:27 PM »
Yeah, I'm counting, but unless I'm confused and not realizing it, what I'm seeing is:

Quote
Charms

Resistance

Corpse Body Resilience, permanent (Free)
Armor Calling Kata, 1m/instant (1)

Presance

Second exelency (2)

Craft

Second Exelency (3)
Fault Finding Scrutiny, 2m/Suppliment (4)
Eternal Embalming Preperation, 3m/Varies (5)

Medicine

Charnal Chirurgeons Deftness, 2m/Simple (6)
Bone Graft Technique,  3m/Simple (Dramatic) (7)

Occult

Terrestrial Circle Sorcery (8)
Shadowlands Circle Necromancy (9)

Necromancy
Flesh Sloughing Wave, 16m (Free with charm purchase)
Iron Reanimation, Varies (10)

Sorcery

Ritual of Elemental Empowerment, 30m (Free with charm purchase)

Online PaleEnchantress

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #503 on: November 25, 2012, 04:47:16 PM »
I can understand how most of creation thinks Solars are the real villains (I doubt the average human can tell the difference between a Solar, an Abyssal, and an Infernal so they are all just lumped together)

Your a regular human in creation and life is pretty tough. Your day to day concern is providing food and shelter for yourself and your family. It isn't always easy but you somehow manage. You offer prayers and occasional offerings to the gods.  You don't really know too much about how mystical things work but you do know that for the tiny bit you do know about, there is a near infinite amount of powerful magic that you cant even fathom. The one thing you do know about that kind of mythic power is that most of the things that do understand it want to kill you!

Those Dragon-Blooded are a bit odd, and quite an object of envy. They may not be the nicest guys, but they pretty much human. Their powers manifest in ways that are pretty similar to elements of the natural world. Even with their odd abilities, they still have families, they still have basic human needs, and they still have fairly normal human lifespans. Plus they are the only ones who can protect you from many of those things you don't know about but still want to kill you (or worse). Especially the anathema.

They once ruled the world, and if it wasn't for the dragon-blooded they would do it again. They look mostly human, though they do have the tendency to look like a human you want to get closer to. They are more powerful than the gods, they don't age, their sorcery (black magic!) rewrites the laws of reality, many of them don't even need to eat, sleep or breathe. How could something like that care about, or even comprehend what it's like for humans like you and those you love?

Offline AndyZ

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #504 on: November 25, 2012, 04:48:38 PM »
No matter what you are, power corrupts.

Online PaleEnchantress

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #505 on: November 25, 2012, 04:48:49 PM »
Yeah, I'm counting, but unless I'm confused and not realizing it, what I'm seeing is:


Hmm your right, that is what I have. YAAAAY YAAAY YAAAY I GET ANOTHER CHARM/SPELL

KISSES *MUAH!*

Offline RSGAlex

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #506 on: November 25, 2012, 05:25:00 PM »
I think that the two best quotes for this came from the Man himself, GCG.

Specifically the ones here and the ones here.


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Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #507 on: November 25, 2012, 05:28:44 PM »
I was just looking at "Black Heart's Venom" specifically that last option. Talk about a Black Widow type.

Zaer, maybe instead of fucking you so hard you turn autistic, I'm going to fuck you until you're a zombie instead.

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Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #508 on: November 25, 2012, 05:29:32 PM »
Name:   Zain Akadian, Most Reverend Luminary of Botanicus Noctus
Type:      Raptok Dragon King
Age:      88 (Age Staving Cordial)
Birthday   19th of Resplendent Wood
Height   6’6”
Weight:   288 lbs
Features:   Black and purple scales with amethyst plumage. 
Style:      Black loincloth.  Criscrossing bandoleers of the same.  Black Jade and Gold arm, leg and tail bands serve as jewelry and portable curency.  A purple orchid with bright green leaves grows from his right wrist.  An orichalcum sunburst is implanted over his heart with an amethyst icosahedron set in the center.  Orichalcum prayer beads hang from around his neck. 

Motivation:   Enlist the returning solars in restoring the surviving dragon kings by supporting their return with dragon king arts, sciences, and strength. 
 
Intimacies: 
--Long and healthy lives for those not deserving of death. 
--His thorn thrower. 
--His solar friends. 
--The transcendent nature of beauty. 
--Night Blooming Flowers
--Vegetative Technology

Strength      4   
Dexterity      6
Stamina      4

Charisma      3
Manipulation   2   
Appearance      4

Perception      4
Intelligence      4
Wits         3

Archery      0
Athletics      3      Jumping
Awareness      1
Bureaucracy      1
*Craft         4      Vegetative Technology
--Earth, Genesis, Water, Wood
Dodge      3      Unarmored X2
Integrity      1
Investigation   0
Larceny      0
*Linguistics      3
--Flame Tongue, High Holy Speech, Old Realm (Yuu Shan), River Tongue
*Lore         4
Martial Arts      1
*Medicine      4
*Melee      4      Thorn Thrower X2
*Occult      5
Performance   1
Presence      1
Resistance      1
Ride         0
Sail         0
*Socialize      1
Stealth      0
*Thrown      4      Thorn Thrower X2
War         0


Compassion      3
Conviction      4
Temperance      4
Valor         4

Willpower      8

Essence      3
--Motes:      42/30
--Committed   12

Charms:
*The Solid Earth Path: 1-3
*The Flickering Fire Path 1-4
*The Growing Wood Path 1-3
*The Shaping Wood Path 1-3

Sorcery:  Terrestrial Circle Sorcery
--Flight of Separation
--Infallible Messenger
--Stormwind Rider
--Summon the Harvest


Thaumaturgy:
Alchemy: Master +3
Geomancy:  Master +3
Warding and Exorcism: Adept +2



Backgrounds:   
--Artifact               3   Thorn Thrower, Healing Orchid, Bulb of Demise and Renewal
--Artifact               3   Skin Mount Amulet, Alchemy Shrub Bulb X3,
--Celestial Manse            3      /Stone of Oaken Resilience
--Connections: Bureau of Nature   2
--Connections: Gold Faction      2
--Savant               3
--Resources               3

Flaws:
(1)  Bad Luck I
(1)  Nightmares
(3)  Vice:  Sapient Xenopheliac (Easily Seduced by non-dragon king women.) 

Artifacts:
(-)  Alchemy Shrub Bulb: Age Staving Cordial
(-)  Alchemy Shrub Bulb: Hero’s Recovery
(-) Alchemy Shrub Bulb:  Munificent Antivenom
(-)  Bulb of Demise and Renewal
(3) Healing Orchid
(3)  Necklace of Solar Charisma
(--)  Skin Mount Amulet (Set with Stone of Oaken Resilience +6)
(6)  Thorn Thrower

Manse: 
Stone of Oaken Resilience:  +8 soak, +4 hardness, incompatible with armor. 

Other Gear: 
--Extensive Collection of Alchemical Touchstones
--

Attacks:
Thorn Thrower: 
Speed      5
ACC (+3)   15
Damage   8L*
Rate      3
Range      20
Tags      P

Thorn Whip
Speed         5
ACC (+3)      15
Damage      10L *
Defense (+3)   8
Tags:         D, R

Defenses: 
Dodge DV:      7
Dodge MDV      6

Soak/Hardness: 
Bashing      12/4
Lethal         10/4
Aggravated      8/4


Bonus Points:
Abilities      7
Backgrounds   4
Paths         4
Specialties      2
Thaumaturgy   4
Virtues:      6
Willpower      3

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Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #509 on: November 25, 2012, 05:31:11 PM »
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Name:   Zain Akadian, Most Reverend Luminary of Botanicus Noctus
Type:      Raptok Dragon King
Age:      88 (Age Staving Cordial)
Birthday   19th of Resplendent Wood
Height   6’6”
Weight:   288 lbs
Features:   Black and purple scales with amethyst plumage. 
Style:      Black loincloth.  Criscrossing bandoleers of the same.  Black Jade and Gold arm, leg and tail bands serve as jewelry and portable curency.  A purple orchid with bright green leaves grows from his right wrist.  An orichalcum sunburst is implanted over his heart with an amethyst icosahedron set in the center.  Orichalcum prayer beads hang from around his neck. 

Motivation:   Enlist the returning solars in restoring the surviving dragon kings by supporting their return with dragon king arts, sciences, and strength. 
 
Intimacies: 
--Long and healthy lives for those not deserving of death. 
--His thorn thrower. 
--His solar friends. 
--The transcendent nature of beauty. 
--Night Blooming Flowers
--Vegetative Technology

Strength      4   
Dexterity      6
Stamina      4

Charisma      3
Manipulation   2   
Appearance      4

Perception      4
Intelligence      4
Wits         3

Archery      0
Athletics      3      Jumping
Awareness      1
Bureaucracy      1
*Craft         4      Vegetative Technology
--Earth, Genesis, Water, Wood
Dodge      3      Unarmored X2
Integrity      1
Investigation   0
Larceny      0
*Linguistics      3
--Flame Tongue, High Holy Speech, Old Realm (Yuu Shan), River Tongue
*Lore         4
Martial Arts      1
*Medicine      4
*Melee      4      Thorn Thrower X2
*Occult      5
Performance   1
Presence      1
Resistance      1
Ride         0
Sail         0
*Socialize      1
Stealth      0
*Thrown      4      Thorn Thrower X2
War         0


Compassion      3
Conviction      4
Temperance      4
Valor         4

Willpower      8

Essence      3
--Motes:      42/30
--Committed   12

Charms:
*The Solid Earth Path: 1-3
*The Flickering Fire Path 1-4
*The Growing Wood Path 1-3
*The Shaping Wood Path 1-3

Sorcery:  Terrestrial Circle Sorcery
--Flight of Separation
--Infallible Messenger
--Stormwind Rider
--Summon the Harvest


Thaumaturgy:
Alchemy: Master +3
Geomancy:  Master +3
Warding and Exorcism: Adept +2



Backgrounds:   
--Artifact               3   Thorn Thrower, Healing Orchid, Bulb of Demise and Renewal
--Artifact               3   Skin Mount Amulet, Alchemy Shrub Bulb X3,
--Celestial Manse            3      /Stone of Oaken Resilience
--Connections: Bureau of Nature   2
--Connections: Gold Faction      2
--Savant               3
--Resources               3

Flaws:
(1)  Bad Luck I
(1)  Nightmares
(3)  Vice:  Sapient Xenopheliac (Easily Seduced by non-dragon king women.) 

Artifacts:
(-)  Alchemy Shrub Bulb: Age Staving Cordial
(-)  Alchemy Shrub Bulb: Hero’s Recovery
(-) Alchemy Shrub Bulb:  Munificent Antivenom
(-)  Bulb of Demise and Renewal
(3) Healing Orchid
(3)  Necklace of Solar Charisma
(--)  Skin Mount Amulet (Set with Stone of Oaken Resilience +6)
(6)  Thorn Thrower

Manse: 
Stone of Oaken Resilience:  +8 soak, +4 hardness, incompatible with armor. 

Other Gear: 
--Extensive Collection of Alchemical Touchstones
--

Attacks:
Thorn Thrower: 
Speed      5
ACC (+3)   15
Damage   8L*
Rate      3
Range      20
Tags      P

Thorn Whip
Speed         5
ACC (+3)      15
Damage      10L *
Defense (+3)   8
Tags:         D, R

Defenses: 
Dodge DV:      7
Dodge MDV      6

Soak/Hardness: 
Bashing      12/4
Lethal         10/4
Aggravated      8/4


Bonus Points:
Abilities      7
Backgrounds   4
Paths         4
Specialties      2
Thaumaturgy   4
Virtues:      6
Willpower      3



I thought you were playing the lesbian slut with a bow?

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Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #510 on: November 25, 2012, 05:35:48 PM »
  *Snickers*  If by that you mean a bisexual girl-slut with lighting torment hatchets, I'm playing her too.  :)

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Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #511 on: November 25, 2012, 05:38:51 PM »
  *Snickers*  If by that you mean a bisexual girl-slut with lighting torment hatchets, I'm playing her too.  :)

Ah ok. Well your new character sounds enticing. IMA FUCK HIM SOOO HARD HE'LL TURN INTO A ZOMBIE!

Offline RSGAlex

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #512 on: November 25, 2012, 05:43:46 PM »
So, what's everyone's (character's) favorite kind of pie?

Mine's savory beef. Or blueberry.

Offline AndyZ

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #513 on: November 25, 2012, 05:44:34 PM »
My char's favorite type of pi is irrational.

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Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #514 on: November 25, 2012, 05:49:16 PM »
  * Applauds the irrational pi!* 

  Whisper's likes venison pie.  Zain's favorite is apple.  :)

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Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #515 on: November 25, 2012, 05:50:44 PM »
Widow's favorite pie is "First born son, raised to sexual maturity."

Offline ChaoticSky

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #516 on: November 25, 2012, 06:19:25 PM »
Soul and Dreams pie, obviously :P

Offline DracorionTopic starter

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #517 on: November 25, 2012, 06:36:13 PM »
My favorite pie goes as far as the four millionth digit.

Offline AK47

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #518 on: November 25, 2012, 06:45:31 PM »
My character's favorite is creampie  :P

Thanks to Zear for making this.

Name:Shines Brightly from atop the altar at midday (Shine for short)
Type:Solar
Caste:Zenith
Motivation:Free AnTeng and bring it back to the glory of the first age.
Intimacies:+Her village,+ Her Followers, +Free love, +The sun, +Sexual pleasure, +Cynis Laliwra, -Prudes, -Cowards, -bullies, -The Cold
Anima:A mandala decorated with an infinite fractal pattern tracing out old realm characters and pictograms describing sacred sexual positions.
Anima Power:Can burn one corpse with 1m spending so that body nor soul becomes a undead, adds essence on soak against creatures of darkness and also adds one extra dice to minimum damage against creature of darkness when you have +10 mote anima banner or spend 10m to activate anima power
Age:18
Birthday:23rd day of Resplendent Fire
Height:4"11
Weight:Please consult bureau of secrets.
Skin:Deep chocolate brown, but often concealed under golden body paint
Hair:Dark brown, braided
Eyes:Emerald Green
Style:Nude with lots of jewelry, but hidden under a long veil when modesty or the elements require.
Charsheet
Strength1Charisma5Perception3
Dexterity3Manipulation1Intelligence3
Stamina3Appearance5Wits3

Archery0Integrity5CraftX
Martial Arts1Performance4Investigation0
Melee0Presence4Lore1
Thrown0Resistance1Medicine0
War0Survival1Occult3

Athletics1Bureaucracy1
Awareness1Linguistics1
Dodge5Ride0
Larceny0Sail0
Stealth0Socialize1

Craft Invested dots
Air0
Earth0
Fire0
Water0
Wood0Magitech0

Specialties
Performance:Preach about Sol Invictus1
Dodge:Nude3XXX:XXX0

Languages:
Firetongue (native), Old Realm

Charms

Integrity
First Excelency, 1m/per dice added
Temptation-Resisting Stance, 6m/scene
Elusive Dream Defense, 5m/Instant (story)

Performance
First Excelency, 1m/per dice added
Heart-Compelling Method, 6m/scene
Husband-Seducing Demon Dance, 10m+1wp/Instant

Resistance
Ox-Body Technique, permament

Occult
Terrestrial Circle Sorcery, Permament

Dodge
Shadow Over Water, 1m/reflexive
Seven Shadow Evasion, 8m/PD (Conviction Flaw)

Linquistic
Sagacious Reading of Intent, 3m/reflexive

Thaumaturgic Arts&Degrees
xxx (+x)

Sorcery
Summon Elemental, +10m

Backgrounds
Artifact2 (Orihalcum Heartstone Bracers)
Manse2 (Jewel of Lawgiver's Authority)
Cult3 (worshippers in her home village/region)
Followers1 (few of her cultists working as servants/aides)
Resource3 (people whom she had converted already giving donations)
Allies3 (Cynis Lalewira, female wood aspect archer)

Merits
Enchanced Features (Highest) (-4pts)

Flaws
Climate sensitivity (Cold weather) (+2pts)

Virtues
Compassion3Conviction3
Temperance1Valor3

Virtue Flaw:
Compassionate Martyrdom

Defense Values (dodge):Physical:7, Mental:8

Soak:Bx/Lx/A0 (unarmored B3/L1)

Health Levels:-0, -1, -1, -1, -2, -2, -2, -2, -4, incapacitated, x3 death

Attacks:Spd 5 Acc +5 Dmg +3B Def +2 Rate 3 Tags: N
Spd 5 Acc +4 Dmg +6B Def -2 Rate 2 Tags: N
Spd 6 Acc +4 Dmg +3B Def -- Rate 1 Tags: N, C, P

Willpower:7

Essence:3
Personal Pool:16/16

Peripheral Pool:38/34
Other Pools:xx
Committed:4

Bonus Points 18/18
Purchase Backgrounds (4pts): Followers up to 1st dot, Allies up to 3th dot
Purchase Merit (4pts): Enchanced Features
Increase Virtue (1pts): Valor up to 3th dot
Increase Willpower (2pts): up to 7th dot
Increase Essence (7pts): up to 3th dot
Background
The child who would become known as Shines Brightly from atop the altar at midday. (shine for short) was born in a village hidden deep in the jungles south of An Teng. The village had been a temple to the unconquered sun in the first age, and even today was still home to a solar cult that had managed to evade detection due to it's geographic obscurity.
The girl was an orphan and thus inducted into the temple at the age of 16 to be one of the sacred whores tending to the needs of the priesthood. Every day at noon she and the other girls would partake in a ritual orgy with the high priest, painted in gold to represent the unconquered sun.
Shine enjoyed this life, but when she was 18, the veil of secrecy sheltering her village was lifted. A circle of Dynasts on a hunting expedition 'stumbled'  across it and decided to have some fun punishing the locals for there heresy. The Dragon bloods tortured and raped the villagers until they swore devotion to the elemental dragons. The high priest who the girl so idolized, was one of the first to renounce his faith in a cowardly attempt to spare his life.
The girl however refused to stoop so low and deny her god. When everyone else had fallen, she was the last to meet the inquisition, and the only one to stand tall. Instead of bowing down to the elemental dragons, she stood up tall and drew her second breath as Shines Brightly.
The Dragon bloodeds were not ready to face an Anathema, and while Shine was not a warrior, they found themselves paralyzed with fear and doubt while the villagers hope was renewed. In addition, one of the dynast's number, a wood aspect named Cynis Lalewira, (the one on the right) who had already been harboring second thoughts about punishing the villagers to harshly just for ignorance, decided to take up arms against her brethren and defend the newly exalted shine.

In the aftermath of the battle, Shine took the position of high priestess and gave the Dynasts a proper burial before beginning to rebuild the village with the help of Lalewira and her surviving servants. Shine might have been content to remain in her village as it's spiritual leader, but after hearing of the state of the outside world from Lalewira, she decided to travel creation to learn how best to serve her god.
Now Shine is traveling disguised as one of Lalewira's personal pleasure slaves. Hiding in plain sight with her golden body paint and orachalum jewelery covered under a silken veil.
« Last Edit: November 25, 2012, 11:53:25 PM by AK47 »

Offline DracorionTopic starter

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #519 on: November 25, 2012, 07:02:34 PM »
Nice sheet, AK and Zaer. I have no problem with any of it, except that you've got 30 ability dots spent and none bought with BP. Should be 28.

Offline AK47

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #520 on: November 25, 2012, 08:11:18 PM »
So two less? Droping Integrity would free that up, but it might be a bad idea, Hrm.

Offline DracorionTopic starter

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #521 on: November 25, 2012, 08:37:23 PM »
Or you could take a two-dot Flaw, if you're having trouble deciding what to drop.

Offline RSGAlex

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #522 on: November 25, 2012, 08:40:36 PM »
Or drop a dot and a one point flaw. That works too.

Is it wrong that I'm enjoying being able to speak to everyone in their native language family? Above and beyond how I'm going to use it to spread an agenda, that is one of the benefits of high Linguistics.

Offline AK47

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #523 on: November 25, 2012, 09:57:22 PM »
Or you could take a two-dot Flaw, if you're having trouble deciding what to drop.

Hrm, that might be cool, what are some good ones? Is being a really obvious Anathema one? Because Shine's pretty bad with that. Although it might be powergamery if she just hides under a veil.

Offline RSGAlex

Re: [Recruitment/Interest Check] Exalted 2.5: Return of the Mighty
« Reply #524 on: November 25, 2012, 11:06:55 PM »
Perhaps you could see if the ST's generous enough to let you use the 1e version of Barbarian?