Topic: Millennium Slave Law [Players Wanted]

[Fenrisulfr]

No trafficking involved. Pure Monegasque family (well, the mother might just be a Monacan, but have been so since before the law).

It is this one I have in mind. :)

Slave owner (son), 20 years old
Slave (mother), 40-42 years old
Slave (sister), 18 years old
Father (declared mentally unfit), 70-80 years old.
Filthy rich upper class family from Monaco. Father declared mentally unfit due to dementia.

Mother was about to divorce her husband right before the law. Being an old fashioned man, he tried every trick in the book to delay the divorce. As the new law made her his slave, she could no longer divorce him. The father kept his slave as if she was his wife. He had the daughter going to a private school, let her date, and treated her as a princess; there was no question that he would free her as she turned 18.

Just a few month ago, the father's dementia started to get worse, and a just week or two before his sister turned 18 did the son manage to push through the court order to declared the father mentally unfit.

The son, raised through the new system saw his family as a perversion, a humiliation and a stain on the family reputation. Finding himself as the head of the family, he finally had the means to restore the family honor; he would do it by training his mother and sister to become sex slaves. Just selling them or having someone else to train them would just make him a little less weak than his father. The only way to ensure the family reputation would get fully restored was to make sure "everyone" knew they were his slaves, and it was he who had trained them.

There is also a possible bit that the dementia wouldn't have progressed enough for a couple of more years; so that the son might have been ruthless enough to bribe, threaten and sweet-talk a few people into falsify medical tests to rob the father of his power.

EDIT:

So this is option 3 but with the daughter never having been through the slave-ed curriculum (and having had boyfriends) and the mother having been enslaved when the laws were enacted but she has effectively lived a free life due to her husbands preferences. Meanwhile the son has been slowly plotiing his evil plans as he has seen his father grow more and more ill with Parkinson's disease. In recent months with the help of the family lawyer he has had the father declared mentally unfit and had the BAF recognise himself as the CMR for his slave mother and underage sister (who now turns 18 and is expecting any day now for father's lawyer to say she can go to the BAF office and he will pay her EE license).

Then in steps her brother with Plan B. Muahaha.

Just saw that you edited your post while I wrote my reply. Yes, thats it :)

I'm even thinking that the father is unaware that he is legally declared unfit. So he have had his lawyer (who is working for the son) to write up the legal documents needed, so the son can represent him as a proxy at the Bureau; limited to only freeing the daughter. That document has been given to the daughter. Mother picks up her daughter after school and the drive to the BAF where the son waiting. The daughter gives the document to the clerk working there. As the clerk has read the papers and are about to do the registration, the son hands over his papers telling the clerk; "before you process that, please verify these documents." (Possible that he already has cleared his CMR status with someone higher up in the organization, so the order of events are that the clerk says "I'm sorry miss. But there seems to be a problem" as his computer says the father isn't the CMR and that invalidates the proxy documents).

[Haibane]

Yep, lets go with that. A crooked lawyer and money paid to a couple of crooked medical specialists whom the court relied on to assess the father's mental condition is a nice option.

We actually have a doctor in the game but he's anti-slavery, or undecided, so I don't think it would work to have him as one of said medical specialists. Pity.

[Fenrisulfr]

Looks like it was my turn to edit while you were posting...

[Haibane]

Springing the surprise THAT late might work in movies, but not in my RPs. Given a late and unexpected change of CMR, the BAF would probbaly want to be certain and verify and double check themselves. We are talking up to about $50,000 worth of property here, so its important these things are done correctly.

That could take a week.

So I think we need to go with the BAF being fully aware of the change of CMR well beforehand. The son and his crafty lawyer could still try to keep the news from mom-slave and daughter but both of them would, I should think, be apprehensive already due to father's known illness. Surely the daughter will be very aware of the legal proceedings the son has been instigating to get her father declared mentally unable and with legal advisors of her own has been hoping her 18th birthday will come before the father is declared unfit. Her lawyer may even have been contesting the case.

I'm still concerned that legally this is a long and complex process that would take months and all parties would be aware. I can't see it as realistic that any surprise can be sprung on the mother and daughter.

[Fenrisulfr]

Springing the surprise THAT late might work in movies, but not in my RPs.

Well, depending on a few factors, it might end up plausible. I want things to follow an internal logic myself, so I consider it a plus that things like this has to have a good explanation or be tossed out :) Then of course I will try to find a scenario/chain of event that could end up with what I am looking for. In this case, having a short as possible period from "I will be free" to "What? It is up to him?" to "OMG! I'm his slave." Then, of course, the shortest possible time might end up being a month or more.

Ideas on shortening the time is welcome

Given a late and unexpected change of CMR, the BAF would probbaly want to be certain and verify and double check themselves. We are talking up to about $50,000 worth of property here, so its important these things are done correctly.

I agree that the BAF would want to be absolutely sure. But I think it probably would have more to do with the ruling having to be final (no one who might appeal for a retrial wants one, or any time limit to drag it back for a new round has passed.

If the BAF and the court's computer systems are not connected or otherwise synced, and they are doing the verification by sending letters, then I agree that the actual verification can take a week.

So I think we need to go with the BAF being fully aware of the change of CMR well beforehand.

I will base my planing on that.

The son and his crafty lawyer could still try to keep the news from mom-slave and daughter but both of them would, I should think, be apprehensive already due to father's known illness.

I think they are well aware of his illnaess, and that they are worried for him. But I also think the father would be a very stubborn man who would keep his family out of the loop. "Dementia is for weaklings that just cry over they to lazy to try remembering things." Actually, part of the possibility to keep it behind closed doors is based on earlier decisions made by the father; after all, he don't want to alert the sharks that the head of a business empire is losing the grip. The only reason the son would know it himself is because the doctor is more interested to have the heir on his side (and afraid of ending up on his bad side when he finds out that the business was decimated) than the risk of getting caught breaking his doctor-patient confidentiality.

Surely the daughter will be very aware of the legal proceedings the son has been instigating to get her father declared mentally unable and with legal advisors of her own has been hoping her 18th birthday will come before the father is declared unfit. Her lawyer may even have been contesting the case.

First question; would a daughter be involved at all? With the other laws passed, I can see it being considered a "male matter". It might be that the daughter only would have be represented and be able to legally contest if she is over 18 and are an EE holder. But it is your setting

Second question is where she would get the money for a lawyer of her own. I think that would fall on the family lawyer that is protecting the father's interests (but is in the son's pocket).

I'm still concerned that legally this is a long and complex process that would take months and all parties would be aware. I can't see it as realistic that any surprise can be sprung on the mother and daughter.

Well, I was thinking around 6-9 months; and as I said, kept behind closed doors based on earlier instructions by the father (after all, he knew this day would come; the son just made it a bit premature). They are all "aware" through their legal representatives. The mother is a slave, so she is legally completely out of the loop. The information to the father might be controlled through his lawyer and doctor.

Another question is how public the ruling is. Even if they manage to keep the mother and daughter unaware of the proceeding, a public registration of the court decision might end up in the tabloids.

A longer work draft of the idea I presented:

Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide

Mother was about to divorce her husband right before the law. Being an old fashioned man, he tried every trick in the book to delay the divorce. As the new law made her his slave, she could no longer divorce him. The father kept his slave as if she was his wife. Wearing scarfs and turtlenecks, the only sign of her enslavement was hidden from sight. The collar was set so she could move freely through Monaco and the neighboring cities. Being rich and influential, not many dared to question their charade.

The daughter was going to a private school, was allowed to date, and was treated as a princess by her father; there was no question that he would free her as she turned 18.

The father had a bout of disorientation just a few months before his daughter was going to turn 18 years old. He went to the doctor for some tests, which lead to more tests. Three weeks before the birthday, he was hospitalized. The birthday drew nearer, and he would have to remain at the hospital for at least five more weeks. He called his lawyer and prepared the papers so that his son could act as his proxy at the Bureau of Female Affairs; stickly limited so it could only be used to give his daughter a free female license.

What none of them knew was that the doctor had spoken to the son after that first visit. The tests had shown that the fathers dementia was getting worse. In a couple of years it would reach the point where he would not be fit to take care of his own affairs any more. The problem with the imprecise methods available, it could very well be a year sooner or later. The son talked to the doctor and to the family lawyer and came up with a plan. He had enough dirt on both of them, knowing they would not turn him in or dare to blackmail him later. He bribed them both, and a second doctor. The first test was falsified before it was filed. The follow up tests were bogus as well. To the father, the doctor said everything looked fine but they wanted to be sure. When the doctor said he needed to keep the father for observations, the son was present. The son argued that why was it needed if all had been fine and requested a second opinion. The fetched another doctor "at random" and the got a second opinion confirming the first.

As the lawyer already was in on the plan, he could act quickly with the papers he had prepared and the lab results. The father was declared mentally unfit and the power of attorney was given to his son. This also made the son the closest male relative to the daughter. To not risk rocking the boat, they kept it silent for now. When the father signed the papers for his son to act as a proxy, he was already declared unfit and the paper signed was legally void.

The day after her birthday, the mother picked up the daughter from her school. They went to the Bureau of Female Affairs where the son was waiting for them. At the same time as they walked into the building was the father moved from the hospital to an institution. As they sat down in front of the bureau official, the son handed over the documents showing his legal control. Instead of freeing his sister, he had her enslaved; and at the same time he had the ownership over his mother handed over to himself.

"Finally," the young man though. "Now I can end this perversion and have them live as a female should; as property."

The son is indoctrinated into the system, so the family situation as been a shameful perversion to him. The only way he can think of, that would wash away that shame and restore the family honor, is to make sure everyone knows that he have turned them into sex slaves. Selling them or letting someone else train them would still leave a tarnished reputation, meaning he was to weak to deal with the situation himself.Mother was about to divorce her husband right before the law. Being an old fashioned man, he tried every trick in the book to delay the divorce. As the new law made her his slave, she could no longer divorce him. The father kept his slave as if she was his wife. Wearing scarfs and turtlenecks, the only sign of her enslavement was hidden from sight. The collar was set so she could move freely through Monaco and the neighboring cities. Being rich and influential, not many dared to question their charade.

[Haibane]

I would see two govt departments linked by computer still rely on a hand-written letter since this is more secure and must be okay'd by a more senior official. We are talking about people's lives here and if a woman has the right to freedom it should be granted her, even in a slave-state.

I'm going to make a firm GM ruling against keeping anything secret from the wife and daughter. You yourself said the father thinks she is his princess, has private schooling and seems to get what she wants, such as boyfriends, implying she has a great deal of freedom to do as she wishes. To me I would say that means she's fully aware of her fathers state of health, it would have developed over a long time and I do not see any possibility of the father keeping that subject a secret from the daughter. I presume they are a normal family and she sees him regularly?

Minors are free citizens, the females are not 'slaves in waiting'. How they are treated is generally down to the male family members and in this case the father seems to dote on his daughter and be grooming her for a life of a free woman. Given that dementia is a long term illness (or even if it isn't) it strikes me as sensible that the daughter would seek legal assisstance. If this is from the corrupt family lawyer that's okay but it still means she's aware of the situation and so would the mother be.

The daughter would get her money from her father. An allowance, like any other rich daughter who is loved by her father would.

While I can see the father wanting to see his illness kept from the senior people in his business, this is a very different thing to keeping it from his family. Families often keep things private from outsiders but rarely from each other.

BTW, you cannot keep a slave secret, the slave collar must be on display in public all the time. Other owners and BAF officials have the right to see it and interact with the slave, so no turtlenecks, etc. Everyone who knew the family would know the wife was a slave, she is just treated by her husband as if she isn't.

I am sorry if this sounds rude but your most recent backstory reads like a really bad B movie script. I am not liking it at all.

Lets go with the family knowing the father is unwell, please, and see what we can get from that situation.

[Fenrisulfr]

I'm going to make a firm GM ruling against keeping anything secret from the wife and daughter.

Well, that close down that discussion and I have to go with something else.

I have a few counter argument. But with the GM ruling, that would just be argumentative for the sake of arguing. So I checked them at the door.

BTW, you cannot keep a slave secret, the slave collar must be on display in public all the time. Other owners and BAF officials have the right to see it and interact with the slave, so no turtlenecks, etc. Everyone who knew the family would know the wife was a slave, she is just treated by her husband as if she isn't.

The problem with reading the comic and the thread at the same time (had not heard of it before stumbling over this thread). Risk to mix things up between them.

I am sorry if this sounds rude but your most recent backstory reads like a really bad B movie script. I am not liking it at all.

Well, thats why I called it a work draft and posted the shorter version Bounce around ideas, expand and edit until they feels right.

Lets go with the family knowing the father is unwell, please, and see what we can get from that situation.

Well, I guess I should look up some alternatives with more rapid progressions.

There is always the option of a sudden death through an accident. But as you mentioned before, would be nice with an alternative as it has already been done.

[Fenrisulfr]

BTW, you cannot keep a slave secret, the slave collar must be on display in public all the time. Other owners and BAF officials have the right to see it and interact with the slave, so no turtlenecks, etc. Everyone who knew the family would know the wife was a slave, she is just treated by her husband as if she isn't.

Hm... I thought that I just had mixed things up. But when rereading the law I can just find this

e-All enslaved females must bear a black neck-band or collar (which must comply with BFA directive 17-GN-113) to identify themselves as enslaved. Removing a slave collar except in the presence and at the instruction of a BFA official is punishable by death.

But I can't find any reference to the collar having to be visible. Could someone point me to where it is have been discussed or stated?

[Chrystal]

Hm... I thought that I just had mixed things up. But when rereading the law I can just find thisBut I can't find any reference to the collar having to be visible. Could someone point me to where it is have been discussed or stated?

In Hai's absence, I'll attempt to answer for her.

There was a long discussion about this which began more or less here:
http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=141441.msg6373605#msg6373605

And continued in the OOC thread here:
http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=141836.msg6383830#msg6383830

[Fenrisulfr]

In Hai's absence, I'll attempt to answer for her.

Thank you

Just a suggestion, but it would be quite useful to update the first page of OOC and Player Wanted with information like that; or in some other way collect it.

[Chrystal]

IKR? But seriously, when you're busy setting up a game this complex, with this many players, stuff like that gets easily overlooked.

Just as you can't be expected to read the entire OOC thread looking for nuggets of information like that, equally, you can't expect the GM to remember to collect them together.

Instead we all rely on each other to remember such things and point them out.

The upshot of the discussion was that if a slave owner wanted to put a punishment collar over the official collar (such as a heavy iron collar or one with  spikes to keep the wearer's chin up, for example), this is allowed, as long as the wearer is clearly identified as being a slave. However putting something that might be worn as a neck ornament by a free woman over the slave collar is NOT allowed.

[Haibane]

Thanks Chrystal. Again.

Yes, sorry Fenris but like any game-world this one has evolved as it grew and all kinds of facts were decided as we went along and unfortunately it isn't practical to collate every piece of information, unless a co-GM dedicated to making a Wiki-like repository of all material is assigned the duty to do it, and even if we did do that, no-one would read it anyway (I know this from experience).

Its an unfortunate draw-back of coming into a game after the start, its the same in any group RP you join on the internet, or even IRL. I often tell players "Read my posts in the OOC and my characters IC posts". All the world facts are imparted there.

There is still lots of mileage in your Option #3 but to be honest if you are desperate to have a surprise sprung on someone you need to cut away all the complications and go for something much simpler. Having both a mother and a daughter in the equation adds a huge complication to making something a surprise, unfortunately.

My worlds tend to be hyper-realistic even if they are based on some silly fantasy comic and if there is a process I hadn't previously given attention to, I'll always fall back on the real world and see how bureaucratic government offices and courts tend to work, which is extremely slowly in most cases, so things happening suddenly and in a contrived manner is always something I will resist. Keeping something very simple is the best way to having it seem more realistic.

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Here is a really simplified version of your idea #3:

Family lives in France, adjacent to Monaco. Lots of money. Husband either inherited this (or it was the wifes family money) or he runs a business, the details are not important.

Family is mid/late-40s husband, early-40s wife, 20YO son, 18YO daughter. The family is as you have described (wife wanted to divorce husband, husband resisted, there was a lengthy legal wrangle and events overtook this process when the slave law was passed). Wife became husbands slave. This happened when the son was about 10 and the daughter about 8.

We can forget about all other family. Lets say there is none, or none of any relevance.

Husband divorced wife (you cannot marry a slave) and she was kept as mother to the two small children and as a 'society companion'. She hated it as she had grown to dislike her husband intensely during the messy divorce proceedings but since she loved her children she did as she was told. Her ex-husband did not abuse her too much and in fact let her live a mostly normal housewive's life, even continuing to have a full social life with her with many other couples and families in their social circle where many wives were now in the same social position. Behind closed doors some men abused their new slaves but on the whole a facade was kept up of decency, etc, at parties, dinners, casino nights and so on.

It was all a new thing though, a new social order and as the years went by and people got used to this strange world, more and more of the ex-wives were presented nude in public, or dressed sluttily, or bound, or were flogged and abused by their more and more daring husbands. More and more men in this family's social circle sold off their (old, ex-wife) slaves and bought younger, prettier, sexier ones. The abuse and degradation of these new sex toys in public became normal. The suppressed dominance and even sadism of the men was gradually oozing out, like a pus held into a scabbed wound.

In the case of this family the husband resisted these public practices and even in private treated his ex-wife well, although he did of course take her body for sex whenever he wanted.

This changing social order affected the son deeply and he saw his father as weak. Why didn't he act as his new rights allowed and take mother out in public naked and bound and do all those exciting things to her that he saw other men doing? So the son grew to gradually despise his own father and resolve in his own mind to be different when he had a slave of his own.

We move on now to when the son is 19 and his sister 17.

The daughter has been pampered as you described and a life of freedom and indulgence is planned for her, at daddy's preference. The son sees this as just further failings and weakness of the male head of the family's duty and inside his warped mind he begins to lust after his sister and see her as a target to be properly punished in a world of rightful male domination. He keeps all these emotions from her, acting the dutiful and pleasant brother in her presence.

Father now suffers an accident at work where he slips in the office and cracks his head on a desk edge. Or falls off his horse playing polo. Or any other incident you like. He is hospitalised for a while and complications occur when he comes out of surgery and it is immediately apparent that he will never be the same and is in an almost vegitative state. Several months of legal wrangling follows in which the family lawyer, thinking like the son does, agrees that the mother and sister should be treated properly (that is abused as slaves should). The lawyer, well paid, is now in the son's pocket.

The son has the father declared legally mentally incapable and becomes the CMR of his own mother and sister. The sister turns 18 a few weeks later and is enslaved.

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That is about the best I think we can do although it involves all parties being aware what is happening, unfortunately. Springing a big surprise on the sister is almost impossible due to how slowly legal processes proceed and springing any surprise on the mother is definitely impossible due to years of having been a slave already.

[Chrystal]

A couple of small suggestions...

Husband divorced wife (you cannot marry a slave)

Would he even need to divorce her? Surely under the slave law his marriage is automatically annulled the moment that collar goes around her neck? The only way for them to stay legally married would be for him to pay her licence fee.

Springing a big surprise on the sister is almost impossible due to how slowly legal processes proceed.

Surely that would depend upon how good a liar the son was?

Sorry to complicate things, Hai, but I can see a very simple and elegant solution to the impasse. Remember when Super-Bitch Marie-Claire was brought in to the BAF office by her dad, and he had a nasty little joke at her expense? Well couldn't Fenris' character do the same thing? Tell his sister all along "Oh don't worry, I'm going to pay your licence fee, it'll be fine." But when he gets there he tells the BAF official "She'd to be registered as a slave".

I don't see that the change in CMR status bares any relation to what actually happens when they arrive at the BAF offices on her 18th birthday. If the father is clearly incapable of acting as CMR, then the next closest takes over. Having himself legally declared CMR might take weeks, months or years, but so long as the process is complete by the sister's 18th birthday, and the brother is a competent liar and consistently reassures both woment that nothing is going to change, then Fenris can still have his big surprise.

[Haibane]

Hm. Good point.

And yes, I suppose all marriages are anulled unless the wife remains free. Wow. The church must be freaking out! I wonder what life is like in the Vatican right about now? Might be fun to RP that!

[Fenrisulfr]

Heh... I was writing up a reply to Chrystal's post. But saw that both of you had posted while I was writing mine.

Hai, if you combine what you wrote with Chrystal's comment, look at it from this angle:
* The son have had to pretend that his mother is a free woman and his fathers wife for a decade.
* I was thinking that the father might own quite a few business that uses slaves. But he never deal with them directly, they just turn up as dry statistics on his business reports.
* The house hold slaves have been referred to as servants (serviteur in French?). Which, as an unimportant side note, happen to be a word that has its origin in the latin word for slave.

So he would be quite good to keep up the charade, and we also have this point to take into consideration:
* As his slave, the sister would probably be unable to appeal or take any legal action. But she might, as you previously mentioned, before she becomes a slave. So keeping up the charade would be the safest way to not rock the boat.

And what I was writing on

Just as you can't be expected to read the entire OOC thread looking for nuggets of information like that, equally, you can't expect the GM to remember to collect them together.

Well, I did read through the entire thread but could not recall that one.

Well, who said it had to be the GM's job? As there is a wiki her on E. it would be possible to have an Q & A that everyone can update if I recall correctly. Then Haibane could take the information from there, if she want to update the intro-post or keeping an official canon Q & A for the game.

Things might still be overlooked. But more easy to catch and don't add as much work. It might even reduce the workload a bit.

One of the main reasons of my questions and arguments is also because I agree with this post:

I'd hope people would treat the game as having long term prospects and not play now and plan to drop out!

Better to find out if there is any incompatibilities beforehand.

But I do remember these two threads (my take is that it is IC threads and not the OOC thread; but as I'm not sure anymore, I find it best to have it clarified)

Players should only join group games if they have the time to fully commit to them. A character role that only means interaction with 1 or 2 other characters does not mean the character won't be fully interacting with the game world and that world is a construct that is constantly growing as a result of every post, therefore every player is required to read every post regardless of how distant it might be from their character's storyline.

I've been in too many games where scene A sets out some game-world facts only for other players in scene B to flat-out contradict them because they were not reading the posts in scene A. It looks poor and amateurish. I'm a perfectionist; I don't GM poor games

As a general note I always require all players to read all posts in my group games. The benefits of consistency and continuity and imparting 'canon' information far outweigh the risks of metagaming and if the latter does happen, its quickly corrected with an OOC discussion and an edit.

Besides, for me, one of the main reasons I play in group games is so that I can read the posts of other writers and enjoy their skills and styles. It seems crazy not to when you have such a great opportunity to discover potential new RPing partners who you can then contact privately and perhaps set up a 1-on-1 game.

And to make a "compatibility check"
My preference is to write post that are 1-3 paragraph of lengths if someone can react to what I am writing. If it is a "solo scene", just describing something, or the only other player character present is bound and gagged; then a post can be quite a bit longer. I have seen some posts of that length in the group, so I assume they are acceptable despite most write significantly longer posts.

When it comes to reading posts of pony play and similar, my eyes glances over. So if reading all IC threads, to spot details, is an absolute rule, there might be a problem.

[Haibane]

* The son have had to pretend that his mother is a free woman and his fathers wife for a decade.

Did you mean the son is fully aware his mother is a slave but in compliance with his father's orders, he must treat her as though she's free? That is okay, I can see that but if his father was absent why would he? If he wants to abuse his slave-mother he can and no-one can stop him, if father is at work and his sister out with one of her boyfriends. We've got a son who is pro-slavery and plotting to have his mother eventually so he could start abusing her before he takes ownership of her. He has the motive, the means and the opportunity. So why not?

She will be well known to be a slave among all their friends because they must socialise and in public her slave collar can't be concealed.

* I was thinking that the father might own quite a few business that uses slaves. But he never deal with them directly, they just turn up as dry statistics on his business reports.

No problem with this, though I don't follow what point you are making.

* The house hold slaves have been referred to as servants (serviteur in French?). Which, as an unimportant side note, happen to be a word that has its origin in the latin word for slave.

No problem, but if the father is uninterested in slavery, why have household slaves at all? Why not employ men?

So he would be quite good to keep up the charade,

Who are you referring to? The father? Why must he keep up a charade? He cannot due to his ex-wife beeing seen in public. If he's not a supporter of slavery at all, this isn't so much about a charade as a personal choice.

* As his slave, the sister would probably be unable to appeal or take any legal action. But she might, as you previously mentioned, before she becomes a slave. So keeping up the charade would be the safest way to not rock the boat.

If we go with Chrystal's idea, there is no need for a charade.

As I said, the simpler the story, the fewer loopholes it has.

If we go with my suggestion, plus Chrystal's point that the son can just surprise his sister on the EE licence day by enslaving her instead of paying her licence, we are good to go. I find it hard to beleive he'd have kept his hands off his mother in the intervening weeks though.

[Chrystal]

When it comes to reading posts of pony play and similar, my eyes glances over. So if reading all IC threads, to spot details, is an absolute rule, there might be a problem.

It isn't... I rely on the other players (as well as Hai) point me at any significant detail that might occur in any post featuring significant m/f action, because being a gay woman, such posts hold very little interest for me and some of them actually turn me off!

You are not the only player not interested in the pony-play side of things. Again, there is a question from one of the other players in relation to this somewhere in the OOC thread, together with Hai's answer. My discussion with her regarding the hetero posts was in PM, but basically, the gist of it was that I agree to skim-read every post just in case there is something significant that catches my eye, and if I post something that contradicts something that has gone before I will always happily go back and edit, so long as someone points it out to me!

I think, if everyone agrees to that simple rule, the game will run well and Hai will still be a (blonde/brunette/redhead)* at the end of it, and not bald or grey!

*Delete as appropriate!

[Fenrisulfr]

Did you mean the son is fully aware his mother is a slave but in compliance with his father's orders, he must treat her as though she's free?

Yes. That the mother is the father's lave and not his wife is this families elephant in the room. My grandfather was of the mentality that no one could mention that he was retired for years after he stopped working. I see the father he to be a bit the same way but when it comes to divorce and slavery. You can also think in the way a "functional drunk" might be really pissed if someone mention they drink to much.

That is okay, I can see that but if his father was absent why would he? If he wants to abuse his slave-mother he can and no-one can stop him, if father is at work and his sister out with one of her boyfriends. We've got a son who is pro-slavery and plotting to have his mother eventually so he could start abusing her before he takes ownership of her. He has the motive, the means and the opportunity. So why not?

The risk of being disowned could be one. From the father's point of view, if the father found out, it would have been like raping his wife before the law.

She will be well known to be a slave among all their friends because they must socialise and in public her slave collar can't be concealed.

Yes. That is what I mean with a "public secret". If the family is "filthy rich", most people would probably not want to piss off the father by pointing out that she is a slave. So everyone snickers and talk behind their backs. Which would be part of why the son finds it humiliating.

No problem with this, though I don't follow what point you are making.

That the father wants to see himself in part to be above other people, consider himself to be above it all. "Sir. The monthly revenue from the entertainment branch is currently €1,943,000.00. We have currently 2,430 units distributed over 198 facilities worldwide. The market report indicates that there are room for about 200 more units if we build new facilities at these 10 locations."

No problem, but if the father is uninterested in slavery, why have household slaves at all? Why not employ men?

Or free women... Because slaves are cheaper and gives less hassle (work well and be treated as a maid; but if one of the parents is displeased, the "maid" would end up with someone who treats their slaves as slaves) . Basically, he is just the kind of hypocrite who tells everyone else to buy from local producers, but buys imported himself because it is cheaper; or the parliamentarians form the environmental party, but drives around in a SUV. So the father is against slavery and the slavery law, but...

Who are you referring to? The father? Why must he keep up a charade? He cannot due to his ex-wife beeing seen in public. If he's not a supporter of slavery at all, this isn't so much about a charade as a personal choice.

The son. The charade he have kept up is to not piss off his father.

If we go with Chrystal's idea, there is no need for a charade.

As I said, the simpler the story, the fewer loopholes it has.

If we go with my suggestion, plus Chrystal's point that the son can just surprise his sister on the EE licence day by enslaving her instead of paying her licence, we are good to go. I find it hard to beleive he'd have kept his hands off his mother in the intervening weeks though.

With my idea of how the father thinks, there might not be any need for a charade after the father is legally out of the picture. But the son might not be sure enough to want to take the risk.

So basically your version, but with a father "in denial", how does that sound?

When it comes to the mother, I would like to keep that open for now if it is okay with you. As the position to play the mother is still open, and it might be possible to find someone who likes take on that role, we might have another persons preferences to take into account. If that player likes the backstory idea that she was abused from the second he could legally do it, but she had to keep it a secret from her daughter, then that is the pick.

[Fenrisulfr]

It isn't... I rely on the other players (as well as Hai) point me at any significant detail that might occur in any post featuring significant m/f action, because being a gay woman, such posts hold very little interest for me and some of them actually turn me off!

Good

[Chrystal]

Good

Um.... I'm assuming you mean it's good that we don't have to read every post in depth, and not that some hetero stuff turns me off?

*giggles and winks*

[Fenrisulfr]

Um.... I'm assuming you mean it's good that we don't have to read every post in depth, and not that some hetero stuff turns me off?

*giggles and winks*

Opps... I left that one a bit open to what I was referring to

But I'm sure there there are more than one lady out there who consider the second part to be a good thing as well

[drivebyte]

Hi, I hope you are still accepting new characters or this will look awfully silly, but I have a  character for this fun romp.

Character Image: I'll be playing the man in this character, and can find another image if this is unsuitable but I rather liked the cigarette and suit and all.
Player Name: drivebyte
Character Name: Remy Winoc
Gender: Male
Status (Free/Slave): Free
If free, occupation: Lottery winner and layabout
List other characters yours knows: None yet, but looking for friends - below are some hooks/ideas to get into the game
1. Ricardo Reyes - he'd like to buy a car and heard good things about his work, even if he doesn't have cars available he can probably point him in the right direction
2. Phillipe Creaux - he'd like some investment help to make this dream continue; William O'Donnell - he'd like a second opinion on investments or at least more general knowledge.
3. Linda Tuchamba or Rayn Assad - he'd like to purchase a slave now that he can
4. Okello Okanjo - He can't leave his gambling behind, it's what got him here, and here's a fellow gambler!
If slave, state owner: n/a
Age: 25
Nationality: French
Physical attributes: 2m, 80kg, black hair, green eyes
Background and Personality Notes:

Remy Winoc is layabout who recently won a lottery and now has a lot more money than sense and is trying to 1) make all his dreams come true and 2) make the money last. While he doesn't know how to accomplish he second goal, he certainly knows how to spend money, certain that will take care of his primary goal, and has decided to move to Monaco and live his life in a vacation spot as a start.

Thanks!

[helvorn]

I love the photo!  It totally fits the 'feel' of the game.

[Haibane]

Fenris, I think we are finally there! Can you draw up the final version of the backstory. please? I haven't been posting in the game recently due to a lack of time but its possible I could play the mother, providing you don't mind me using Nigella Lawson as an image model. I might also need to talk with you over PMs or in the OOC to get her mindset and personality correct as you perceive it.

Drivebyte, I like Remy Winoc and everything about him except his name. As far as I can see 'Winoc' is not a family name but a male first name. I haven't come across the family name 'Winoc' but if you've a web page that supports it, that would help.

A lottery winner wouldn't live in Monaco but he could be a tourist or be in long-term residence at a hotel, or have bought a cheaper apartment just outside the principality, in France.

We are a bit short of slave character players at the moment but as it seems Remy does not need one at the outset we can do without, either a player will show up, or you could invite someone you like playing opposite.

[Fenrisulfr]

Fenris, I think we are finally there!

Great

Can you draw up the final version of the backstory. please?

Sure will.

I haven't been posting in the game recently due to a lack of time but its possible I could play the mother, providing you don't mind me using Nigella Lawson as an image model. I might also need to talk with you over PMs or in the OOC to get her mindset and personality correct as you perceive it.

I have been leaving the role fairly open. While I have a couple of ideas, I don't want to unnecessary limit someone else. So if you are interested in playing her, lets find out a mindset and personality that you want to play. PM or in the OOC works equally fine for me.

...and Nigella as the image model works perfectly fine for me