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Offline JudeTopic starter

If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« on: April 17, 2011, 10:20:37 PM »
Upon signing the contract you would be rewarded with this sum of money and then you would lose your right to vote.  Give two answers for two different conditions.  One where only you can sell your votes but the rest of the world cannot and another where every citizen of your country can sell their voting rights (in this situation you'd be able to buy other people's voting rights to replenish yours if you wish and if you could afford it).

In a world where everyone can:  I'd sell it for more than market value by exploiting an election where people feel very strongly about something, then buy another person's vote later.  Playing the voting stock market, aww yeaaah~

In a world where only I can:  probably not much.  Maybe 10k?
« Last Edit: April 17, 2011, 10:26:07 PM by Jude »

Offline Noelle

Re: If it would legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2011, 10:26:10 PM »
100k at the lowest; enough to settle my debts and have enough leftover to invest and get my life on track.

I think I'd charge about the same either way, give or take some, but in the latter case where you can buy and sell votes, it kind of starts to jack with the price. If everyone is selling their vote, then either everyone is going to try and demand a million dollars with it, or eventually none of their votes will be worth anything at all. In group situations, how can anyone vote be worth more than someone else's if they all have equal standing once they're in the ballot box? There would essentially be fixed prices on everybody's vote, the only way it would go up and down is, as you say, during key elections, and that's as an entire group.

Offline consortium11

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2011, 01:00:32 AM »
I think you'd also have to factor in who's asking to buy my vote.

If it was the party/individual I was going to support anyway then I'd require a certain amount. If it was a party/individual I also agreed with but were less likely to vote for I'd require more. If it was a party I would generally apathetic about... I like some ideas, dislike other on a roughly 50/50 split (in number and importance) I'd require more again and on and on until I'd require an exponential higher amount for a party/individua I completely oppose. It's a case of comparing and contrasting the objective result (who my bought vote would go to) and the subjective (who with free will I'd vote for).

A blind purchasing of a vote would be towards the high end.

Edit: You'd also have to factor in the election itself: I'd demand more for the more "important" elections than for those of lesser import.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2011, 01:02:02 AM by consortium11 »

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Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2011, 05:38:56 AM »
I wouldn't sell, because theres no garuntee they wouldn't try taking the money back once they got in.

Offline Zakharra

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2011, 08:44:24 AM »
 My price would be simple. The candidate's corpse.

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Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2011, 09:37:29 AM »
My price would be simple. The candidate's corpse.

I was about to say I'd settle for their soul, but then I realized that's more than a 50/50 chance of giving my vote away.

Offline Sure

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2011, 04:40:03 PM »
The last Presidential election had about 133 million people vote in it (a little less in reality). The total amount of money spent in the 2008 election was 5.8 Billion dollars. Therefore, in a gross oversimplification, your vote is worth a little more than $39.85.

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Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2011, 05:48:40 PM »
I'd require enough cash to fully relocate myself and my family to another country.

Offline Noelle

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2011, 06:47:34 PM »
I find it incredibly hard to believe that if someone offered those of you who say you wouldn't a check for, say, $100,000, that you would sniff at them and turn them down on a matter of principle. I've got student loans and I'm just a single, employed graduate living on my own and I know there are quite a few people here who are worse off than I am. It's a hypothetical situation.

Offline Will

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2011, 07:58:09 PM »
100k?  In a heartbeat.  I vote based on weighing my personal interests; a hundred thousand dollars is a pretty heavy personal interest (to put it mildly).  I wouldn't really be "losing my right to vote," I would just be guaranteeing a vote for the individual that offered me most.  In a sense, that's just a more direct version of what already happens.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2011, 07:59:15 PM by Will »

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Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2011, 10:57:24 PM »
I was about to say I'd settle for their soul, but then I realized that's more than a 50/50 chance of giving my vote away.

You are assuming they have a soul

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Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2011, 11:03:22 PM »
No - that's why there's a greater than 50% chance that I'd be giving the vote away (i.e., getting nothing for it, as the politician in question had no soul.)

Offline grdell

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2011, 12:07:39 AM »
Forty-seven cents.

It's not like it means anything, anyway.

Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2011, 05:02:35 PM »
Forty-seven cents.

It's not like it means anything, anyway.

And that is an attitude we need to fix.

It should count. It should be considered a responsibility and duty, not a privilege. Attitudes like that allow the lobbyists to subvert the system. Tell me there is something you are truly outraged at the way things are going?


Offline MasterMischief

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2011, 07:09:40 PM »
Are we talking about in the US where the populare vote doesn't count anyway?

Offline meikle

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2011, 07:46:32 PM »
Are we talking about in the US where the populare vote doesn't count anyway?

the president isn't the only thing we vote for.

I wonder what the economics of buying a vote look like.  I am not an economist so I can't really comment on that.

Offline JudeTopic starter

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2011, 07:58:44 PM »
I see a lot of people not answering both versions of my question.  I personally feel like it makes a difference whether you're the only one selling or everyone is.  If you're the only one who can, then Democracy won't be subverted since you are a tiny blip compared to the rest of the country.  If everyone is selling, then you can buy other people's votes to replenish yours eventually.  Is the fact that I'm not seeing people discuss these scenarios indicative of people believing that the scenario is irrelevant, thus giving a single answer?

Offline Will

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2011, 08:17:37 PM »
I just don't see a single person's vote being worth enough to bother; if no one else is selling, then buying my vote won't get you anywhere as a candidate.  I can't imagine they'd offer me anything for it.

If everyone else could sell their votes, I think you'd have a situation where only people in certain battlegrounds would really be able to get something for it.  It's just not feasible to buy everyone's vote, or even a majority of people.  I'm not in one of those battlegrounds, as far as I know, so I don't think it would really apply to me.

Offline Wolfy

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2011, 03:14:49 PM »
...A Klondike bar.

...:D...


Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2011, 03:32:40 PM »
I just don't see a single person's vote being worth enough to bother; if no one else is selling, then buying my vote won't get you anywhere as a candidate.  I can't imagine they'd offer me anything for it.

If everyone else could sell their votes, I think you'd have a situation where only people in certain battlegrounds would really be able to get something for it.  It's just not feasible to buy everyone's vote, or even a majority of people.  I'm not in one of those battlegrounds, as far as I know, so I don't think it would really apply to me.

And that.. is where democracy in America has failed.

Apathy has killed the American Dream.

Offline Wolfy

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2011, 04:02:00 PM »
And that.. is where democracy in America has failed.

Apathy has killed the American Dream.

It's called a dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. :/

The American Dream has been a near impossibility since it was created.

It's also funny how only people not living in America believe in it. :p

Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2011, 04:45:55 PM »
It's called a dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. :/

The American Dream has been a near impossibility since it was created.

It's also funny how only people not living in America believe in it. :p

I get tired of folks screaming that 'my vote' doesn't count. That is bull.

I think that the last three elections have shown that votes DO count. Florida was a mire of contested districts for two of them. The single best thing (pro or con) that the last election did was that more people got involved. I consider that the greatest gift that President Obama gave us. He made people get off their ass and participate.

We just need to get more people to do that.. not less.

Offline Noelle

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2011, 05:05:28 PM »
Consider your vote like a singular person yelling outside the White House. One person yelling isn't going to be heard inside the Oval Office, is it? Add one other person and it's a little louder, but not quite enough to be heard. Keep adding individuals -- single people who only count for 1 -- and eventually there are enough of you to not only be heard inside the Oval Office, but probably get your own spot on the news, too :P

Point is, apathy towards voting is a luxury, and a pretty useless one, at that. The only reason you can slack off and not care is because enough other people do it for you that it only just seems like your single contribution is devalued. If enough other people stop voting, then guess what? The proverbial price of your vote goes up immensely, but that also means that it's harder to bring about change if the "wrong" people continue to vote while others sit around and complain about it. If only rich people vote, rich people are probably going to vote in people that play to their interests. If evil socialist communist terrorist hippie dictator warrior princesses vote, you can imagine who they'll put in that plays to their interests. That's been a Democratic (the party) issue in years past, since their demographics (especially young people) tend not to care as much as the older generation (a Republican demographic).

Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2011, 05:10:15 PM »
My rule in the work center was if you didn't vote.. you couldn't complain.

Cut down a lot of pissing and moaning in the shop and made me very very depressed.

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Re: If it were legal, how much would it take to buy your vote?
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2011, 05:46:45 PM »
Here's the way I see it:  Anyone buying my right to vote (if I'm the only one) is going to have to make it worth my while - not just for now, but in perpetuity.  I would need something very valuable in return.  Hence the 'soul' comment.  (If I have the candidate's soul, presumably I have a bit of influence, yes?  Assuming that they have one.)

Setting up a 'vote economy', where votes can be bought and traded and sold:  I just don't see how it would be feasible for a candidate to purchase enough votes to make a difference.  It's much more cost-effective to gain the votes by other means.