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Re: I don't post in here like ever, but this is ridiculous.
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2009, 11:00:02 PM »
I dunno, real people generally don't have a bunch of crazy people trying to kill them for things like

a) political views
b) personal views
c) because it would make them famous.

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Re: I don't post in here like ever, but this is ridiculous.
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2009, 08:23:48 AM »
I hope nobody was intent on convincing me of anything. All I read is that someone thinks differently from me. Well, that's OK. I'm just being realistic. We need to stop polluting as much as we do. People need to breath the air, drink the water, and farm the soil. So we need our world leaders, whether they are riding in limos or not, to set some goals and accomplish them. I'm not likely to change on that, as I am a cantankerous old man who is set in his ways.

And I repeat, if I were rich or powerful, I would HAVE to ride in a limo. First because I am sick of driving, but second because of the bulletproof glass.

Offline Will

Re: I don't post in here like ever, but this is ridiculous.
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2009, 11:20:14 AM »
I wasn't aware that all limos were bulletproof.  I also wasn't aware that any other car couldn't be made bulletproof.

It's also not just government officials at this thing, making the massive carbon footprint that was mentioned (the size of a city by itself).  It's also celebrities, traveling in much the same fashion.  The whole thing is just business, a reality reinforced by the fact that large parts of the article were about the event's impact on the local economy.  If this were really about environmental change and getting something done (and not a vacation/festival/party), they would be teleconferencing.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2009, 11:24:55 AM by Ghost of Will Yet to Come »

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Re: I don't post in here like ever, but this is ridiculous.
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2009, 11:47:10 AM »
And I repeat, if I were rich or powerful, I would HAVE to ride in a limo. First because I am sick of driving, but second because of the bulletproof glass.

Ah, so it was a requirement of self, not a requirement of the class.  Personally, I'd probably hide up in my penthouse apartment, running my empire through intermediaries until people weren't even sure I was really there or not.  ;D

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Re: I don't post in here like ever, but this is ridiculous.
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2009, 12:05:06 PM »
Actually, as I understand it, the whole argument is that we should be freaking out about what kind of cars people drive and damn the whole enterprise as hypocrisy. So it is, in my opinion, an attempt by the opposition to characterize the whole environmental movement as a sham. And given that, I refuse to be sucked in. They are acting like it's bad to be rich, but it is the international megacorps that are funding the anti-environmental propaganda. So it's really a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Therefore, my reply is, "So what? World leaders ride limos. Is that any reason not to have a Climate Change Conference? The water, air, and soil that we use daily must be kept clean. Stop raising red herrings."

Make sense now?

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Re: I don't post in here like ever, but this is ridiculous.
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2009, 12:44:04 PM »
Unfortunately, I think it really IS a sham.  The article in the first post is about more than just limos and planes; there are many other factors that chip away at my respect for the conference, and the entire process in general for that matter.

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Re: I don't post in here like ever, but this is ridiculous.
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2009, 02:18:57 PM »
Got a point there T.  But if I was a celeb or leader that didn't want to be shot at I wouldn't call attention to myself by acting special.  I'd put bullet proof glass in my small fuel efficient vehicle. 

As for the environmental stuff.  I'm not against being more eco friendly.  I am against do as I say not as I do bullshit.  They could teleconference and save the environment better.