You are either not logged in or not registered with our community. Click here to register.
 
December 03, 2016, 08:09:27 PM

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length

Click here if you are having problems.
Default Wide Screen Beige Lilac Rainbow Black & Blue October Send us your theme!

Hark!  The Herald!
Holiday Issue 2016

Wiki Blogs Dicebot

Author Topic: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)  (Read 969 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline GreenthornTopic starter

Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« on: December 06, 2008, 11:48:07 AM »
Ahhh I love Time's blue box!

Now...Switzerland voters approved the "creation of permanent, legalized heroin centers aimed at helping hard-core addicts learn to function in society"  The centers will provide the addicts with two doses each day instead of weaning them off the drug.

Oh and in the same referendum, those voters....yeah...they rejected decriminalization of marijuana.  Go figure!

Thoughts?

Offline Revolverman

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2008, 11:49:39 AM »
It would just easier to legalize all drugs, many problems would be fixed that way.

Offline GreenthornTopic starter

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2008, 11:56:38 AM »
But for heroin?  Then reject legalizing pot?

Offline Revolverman

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2008, 11:57:46 AM »
That I can't explain... perhaps someone in the government is riding the white horse?

Offline GreenthornTopic starter

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2008, 12:00:39 PM »
And imagine all the health care that will be needed when one of the said heroin addicts cause work related accidents?  Ugh!

Offline Inkidu

  • E's Resident Girlomancer, Dedicated Philogynist, The Compartive of a Superlative, SLG's Sammich Life-Giver
  • Lord
  • Addict
  • *
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Location: In a staring contest with the Void.
  • Gender: Male
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 0
Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2008, 12:33:44 PM »
That's the Swiss for you. I'm scared to by chocolate from there now. It's heroin-a-licious! :D

Offline Will

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2008, 12:51:32 PM »
Well, I think the idea about the heroin vs. pot thing is that heroin addicts go to desperate measures when they don't have their fix, whereas marijuana users just tend to lie on the couch and complain about it.  It's not that they think heroin is better than pot, they're just trying to control a problem.  Marijuana addicts are not such a problem, I would guess.

Just my initial reaction. :)

Offline GreenthornTopic starter

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2008, 12:54:29 PM »
Well, I think the idea about the heroin vs. pot thing is that heroin addicts go to desperate measures when they don't have their fix, whereas marijuana users just tend to lie on the couch and complain about it.  It's not that they think heroin is better than pot, they're just trying to control a problem.  Marijuana addicts are not such a problem, I would guess.

Just my initial reaction. :)

But why not put the money towards rehabilition instead of enabling?

Offline Will

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2008, 12:56:50 PM »
But why not put the money towards rehabilition instead of enabling?

*laughs*  Good point!  Still, I don't have much faith in methadone rehab and the like.  My experience is limited, but I've never seen it work.  Why not try something new and different?

Offline GreenthornTopic starter

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2008, 12:59:59 PM »
*laughs*  Good point!  Still, I don't have much faith in methadone rehab and the like.  My experience is limited, but I've never seen it work.  Why not try something new and different?

A country full of heroin addicts...I predict in 10 years over 30% of Swedes will be addicts *laughs*

Offline Trieste

  • Faerie Queen; Her Imperial Lubemajesty; Willing Victim
  • Dame
  • Carnite
  • *
  • Join Date: Apr 2005
  • Location: In the middle of Happily Ever After with a dark Prince Charming.
  • Gender: Female
  • I am many things - dull is not one of them.
  • My Role Play Preferences
  • View My Rolls
  • Referrals: 4
Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2008, 02:32:50 PM »
... love that title, GT. :D

Offline gideonblake

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2008, 02:58:03 PM »
I read that article, or an article about the same thing. They interviewed some of the voters, and one of them said something about the reason that he voted against legalizing pot is because he thought it was like saying it was okay. The centers for heroin addicts are meant as a rehabilitation clinic to get them away from a self-destructive addiction and get them into doing something worthwhile. Legalizing pot, as it was in the bill, was just like saying it was cool to burn a j, and he wasn't okay with that. Also, I think in the article it mentioned that they were two separate bills to vote on.

I'm not impressed with the decision to give heroin addicts heroin until they get better. It just seems like a bad practice. I can create some good arguments for legalizing pot, but I wouldn't really care to. I don't think that we need more mind-altering substances for recreational use just because. However, if you were to legalize all the drugs and then tax them and enforce, dare I say, quality control, then I think a lot of issues would be solved and the War on Drugs could be won a lot more easily because you'd be destroying the profit margins of the drug dealers.

Offline GreenthornTopic starter

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2008, 03:00:33 PM »
I read that article, or an article about the same thing. They interviewed some of the voters, and one of them said something about the reason that he voted against legalizing pot is because he thought it was like saying it was okay. The centers for heroin addicts are meant as a rehabilitation clinic to get them away from a self-destructive addiction and get them into doing something worthwhile. Legalizing pot, as it was in the bill, was just like saying it was cool to burn a j, and he wasn't okay with that. Also, I think in the article it mentioned that they were two separate bills to vote on.

I'm not impressed with the decision to give heroin addicts heroin until they get better. It just seems like a bad practice. I can create some good arguments for legalizing pot, but I wouldn't really care to. I don't think that we need more mind-altering substances for recreational use just because. However, if you were to legalize all the drugs and then tax them and enforce, dare I say, quality control, then I think a lot of issues would be solved and the War on Drugs could be won a lot more easily because you'd be destroying the profit margins of the drug dealers.

The thing is...it's not a rehabilition center!  It's simply a dispensing center.  They do not plan on trying to wean anyone off of the heroin...simply give them two doses a day and hope they decide to work and be somehow productive!


Offline Will

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2008, 03:18:16 PM »
They just consider that better than sitting in a park and shooting up in front of kids and everything.  *shrugs*  There's got to be a better solution, though. :-\

Offline gideonblake

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2008, 12:50:59 AM »
Oh really? That changes pretty much everything then.

That idea is just made of fail.

Offline Paradox

Re: Heroin Addicts Go to Switzerland! (not spam!!)
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2008, 02:36:39 PM »
Having once been a heroin addict, I can say with unequivocal certainty that this is a horrible idea.

After numerous attempts to quit cold-turkey, I enrolled in a methadone program. (in reference to Will's comment)- it worked, but it only suppresses the physical dependency. It's essentially substituting one substance for another. It does nothing for the deeper, underlying causes of the addiction itself. There is a huge difference between addiction and dependency, which I won't go into here. Suffice to say that Switzerland would be better off implementing a nationwide methadone program for these people, combined with comprehensive counseling/support groups. Methadone helped me to stop sticking needles in my arms, but it took a whole hell of a lot of work to actually rid myself of the addiction. Giving heroin to an addict is like giving victims to a murderer...you aren't stopping the crime, nor are you doing anything to help their problem. You're simply controlling it on your own terms as opposed to theirs.