Mathim: So the French Revolution was a good thing, even though so many hundreds, maybe even thousands, of people who had nothing to do with oppressing anyone were also brutally killed? Only a small fraction of those killed were actually aristocrats.
Well, there's that view... and then there's my personal view, which is that I don't feel qualified to decide who's evil enough to be shot dead in the street or poisoned or guillotined. My moral judgment is my own. I don't impress my morals or values on other people.
What makes you feel that you would be qualified to decide who should live and who should die? I realize that sounds sarcastic, but it's a genuine question. Or is your argument that once civilization starts to crumble, anyone can decide because morality ceases to matter?
Oh it is a genuine question, but a lot of times people just don't want to bear the mental or psychological burden of it, so they push it off on something else, typically religion. Saying that God is ultimately going to judge us all in the end.
The problem is, we have absolutely no proof of this, not a single shred of evidence that this is so, only blind faith for some of us. In the meantime, what do we propose to do with them? Whether you call them wicked or not, at points we have people that simply offer no valuable asset to society, they are capable only of death and misery.
If civilization does crumble in a full-on apocalypse, I imply that morality will not matter at that point, because with that veneer of civilization pulled out from under us we'll have blown it. We'll have shown the universe that might be watching that we're really just animals after all.
We'll turn on each other like wolves, once we start running out of the basic essentials, food, water, shelter, etc. If we watch a bear and a lion maul each other for a carcass to feed on, we'll call it nature, and that's what we'll revert to in such a nightmarish scenario. Some of you may genuinely reason against that philosophy, but other simply won't accept it because it offends your sensibilities. Some of us can't deal with what rages just under the surface.
Even if some sense of goodwill prevails, it really won't matter...in a post-apocalyptic scenario, it will take us how long to get back just to where we are? Five hundred years? A thousand? More than a thousand? At that point we'll have our proof the human experiment has failed.
In such a situation, possibly a nuclear scenario, we'll not just have pushed ourselves to the brink of existence, but we'll likely have wiped out many other species in the process. At that point we'll have pretty much forfeit our right to continue as a species.