Here is my issue.
Not everyone is comfortable with everyone else. And that is okay. There is nothing in the rules that says you have to write with whomever approaches you. No one here forces people to write with everyone else.
It’s perfectly fine that there are those here that can write with whomever, whenever. It’s perfectly fine that there are some who want to write only with those that define themselves as male. It’s perfectly fine that there are some who want to write only with those that define themselves as female.
I am really struggling to understand why there is so much angst about this. Yes, I understand that there was a group game that denied someone because his tag said Lord and the group game was for females only. But, really? All of this angst when you can simply say “well shit, that sucks. Let me look and see if I see another game I am interested in.” or “Well damn, let me work on setting up my own group game that is similar to this one so I can play this idea.”
We are all adults here, we should all be able to respect the limits and comfort levels of our fellow members. I mean, to me, this whole thread feels like a shaming tactic. I am sure the OP did not mean it that way, but after so many threads about this same topic and the reasons given not clearing anything up, it really does come across as a way to shame those whose preferences do not match everyone else.
This went from venting about a group game being set up that requests Lady tag only to trying to call this discrimination and trying to compare it to businesses when it should have been simply understood that the preferences of the GM and those involved in the game take precedence over someone’s feelings getting bent because they cannot join something that was clearly not set up for every member of Elliquiy.
Iniquitous Opheliac, I'm not sure I can explain any better, but I'll try.
People have different perspectives on what they consider to be good and evil, and those axes are very different for different people.
For you, it's perfectly natural that a thread on Elliquiy can choose which particular people they want but that a bar cannot. You have no difficulty in accepting that a game can decide not to have any men, but that a store cannot decide not to have any men.
“well shit, that sucks. Let me look and see if I see another game I am interested in.” or “Well damn, let me work on setting up my own group game that is similar to this one so I can play this idea.”
is acceptable to you.
“well shit, that sucks. Let me look and see if I see another store I am interested in.” or “Well damn, let me work on setting up my own business that is similar to this one so I can work with this idea.”
is not acceptable to you.
Now, personally, I've never had an easy time as accepting something is right just because that's what the law says. For example, I don't feel that women should not be allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. Sure, that's what the law says there, but that simple proclamation that some humans decided to create that law does not in and of itself create an acceptable reason from my perspective.
You've already given your demarcation, which is different from other people's, and I'm not saying that that's bad. I'm not sure I'd want to force a prostitute to have to take any and all comers regardless of her own preferences, but we can agree to disagree there.
Honestly, most of the time I have these talks, I'm not looking to change other people's perspectives. I like to see how other people think.
Roulette's perspective in particular is fascinating to me. It's unusual, but that doesn't make it bad at all. Ebb has quite another, and it seems to hold up with what most people consider.
I would much rather people were open and honest with discussions. If someone does honestly believe that a particular type of people are inferior, I'd love to sit down and have a discussion on the matter, find out why they believe so, and maybe convince them otherwise or maybe not.
Now, I personally have some concern about the concept that I'm free to do whatever if I'm not being paid and am forced to do something if given money, but that doesn't mean I don't like your belief system. Certainly others have used that method, and I can't help but be reminded of hierodules
Now, the thing I do tend to question is consistency, which is a whole different ball game.
Nearly 20 years ago, in Salt Lake City, the school board got a ruling from the Supreme Court that either they had to allow a gay-straight alliance club or disband all their clubs. They chose the latter.http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19960222&slug=2315413
Now, I'm not saying it was the right decision, but I can see how it's fair. If you don't allow the GSA club, at least you're not allowing ANY club, and there's a consistency there.
When we have consistency, we can look at the broad effects of a particular rule instead of attempting to apply them on a case by case basis.
When we don't have consistency, we have people laying down rules that they don't themselves follow because they set the rules with such arbitrary distinctions that they can still do whatever they want. For example, Nancy Pelosi can do stuff that would get me put in jail for insider trading, because she is a politician and I am not. I would not consider being a politician as being a good reason to allow insider trading, because it's not consistent with the reason of why we don't allow insider trading.http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/congress-trading-stock-on-inside-information/
Now, the reason that there's been so many threads is because people keep wanting me to start it over. The last thread ended when I was asked to start up this separate thread and then they locked the old one for some reason.
However, I've never been one to shy away from a topic. So many people have different and interesting ideas that it can be fun to take them apart and see what others think. I've never been one to consider a matter so thoroughly closed that no one can ever enter in at another time and offer another perspective.
I tend to find these conversations a lot of fun, but I'm also used to dealing with people that know that I'm not trying to upset them and that I don't always understand their point of view. I would like to hope that you know the same.