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Offline OldSchoolGamer

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2012, 10:29:05 AM »
Just don't post anything serious here about third parties...deviations from political orthodoxy seem to be rather unpopular.

Offline Will

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2012, 11:12:50 AM »
It's because Vekseid is a member of the Bilderbergs, and he doesn't want anyone stealing attention from their puppet candidates.

I kid, I kid.

Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2012, 11:14:50 AM »
It's because Vekseid is a member of the Bilderbergs, and he doesn't want anyone stealing attention from their puppet candidates.

I kid, I kid.

Please don't encourage him.

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Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2012, 11:23:41 AM »
*dusts off the 1976 swag*

Get down America - Howard for President.


Online Vekseid

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2012, 11:30:56 AM »
It's because Vekseid is a member of the Bilderbergs, and he doesn't want anyone stealing attention from their puppet candidates.

I kid, I kid.

The only other third party candidate to get their own thread so far on E was Cookie Monster.

Coincidence!?



Just don't post anything serious here about third parties...deviations from political orthodoxy seem to be rather unpopular.

Have you ever actually posed a third party discussion?

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2012, 11:31:09 AM »
It's because Vekseid is a member of the Bilderbergs Reptiloids, and he doesn't want anyone stealing attention from their puppet candidates.

I kid, I kid.

Fixed that for you. ;D


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The only other third party candidate to get their own thread so far on E was Cookie Monster.

Coincidence!?

Pretty sure someone posted a Cthulhu/Dagon '12 thread a while back. Why Vote For A Lesser Evil?
« Last Edit: October 17, 2012, 11:32:19 AM by TheGlyphstone »

Offline Avis habilis

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2012, 11:34:35 AM »
Pretty sure someone posted a Cthulhu/Dagon '12 thread a while back. Why Vote For A Lesser Evil?

Wait, I thought that was Voldemort/Vader?

Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2012, 11:36:06 AM »
Wait, I thought that was Voldemort/Vader?

Actually.. I think it would be Chaney/Rove

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2012, 11:50:35 AM »
Actually.. I think it would be Chaney/Rove

Wait, I thought that was Voldemort/Vader?

http://www.cthulhu2012.com/campaign/

His Devour All Humanity platform is remarkably adaptable to the key issues facing modern voters.

Offline Avis habilis

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2012, 11:55:36 AM »
Truly a being for all seasons.

Offline OldSchoolGamer

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2012, 11:56:26 AM »
Have you ever actually posed a third party discussion?

Whenever I broach the idea that the two big parties are controlled by an oligarchy, I get accused of being:

1) "off-topic" (though endless posts about Obama and Romney are fine)
2) a conspiracy nutter, or
3) a "doom and gloomer" (since of course the collapse of the United States=end of humanity, and only fighting for the status quo or something close to it is "positive" and "productive.")

In all fairness, everyone has biases.  I'm certainly not going to claim to be unbiased.  The clear bias here is in favor of the two-party system, apple pie, Chevrolet and (most of all) political orthodoxy.  So I've gotten the message, and taken a step back from political discussions here.  I started a thread on The Walking Dead instead.  Not saying I'll never post in this part of the forums again, but y'all are free to resume two-party fandom and orthodox discussions on approved candidates (maybe on how many times the moderator interrupted Obama versus Romney, or the sartorial tastes of Obama and Romney; I believe their suits were slightly different colors...).

Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2012, 12:00:47 PM »
Whenever I broach the idea that the two big parties are controlled by an oligarchy, I get accused of being:

1) "off-topic" (though endless posts about Obama and Romney are fine)
2) a conspiracy nutter, or
3) a "doom and gloomer" (since of course the collapse of the United States=end of humanity, and only fighting for the status quo or something close to it is "positive" and "productive.")

In all fairness, everyone has biases.  I'm certainly not going to claim to be unbiased.  The clear bias here is in favor of the two-party system, apple pie, Chevrolet and (most of all) political orthodoxy.  So I've gotten the message, and taken a step back from political discussions here.  I started a thread on The Walking Dead instead.  Not saying I'll never post in this part of the forums again, but y'all are free to resume two-party fandom and orthodox discussions on approved candidates (maybe on how many times the moderator interrupted Obama versus Romney, or the sartorial tastes of Obama and Romney; I believe their suits were slightly different colors...).

Ya know.. you could have posted how the 3rd party candidates are excluded from the debates, examining and showing the numbers of how the mechannism works... OR even how the Green party candidate got ARRESTED yesterday at the Primary grounds.

No.. you talk about the 'man' and 'conspiracies'.

Offline OldSchoolGamer

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2012, 12:07:57 PM »
Ya know.. you could have posted how the 3rd party candidates are excluded from the debates, examining and showing the numbers of how the mechannism works... OR even how the Green party candidate got ARRESTED yesterday at the Primary grounds.

No.. you talk about the 'man' and 'conspiracies'.

Not going to rehash it all here.  As I've so often been told, I've said it before, everyone knows where I stand, so why should I say it again?

Offline TamhansenTopic starter

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2012, 12:24:46 PM »
People people please.

My candidate cookie muncher (no relation to cookie monster) merely wants to bring a new voice against the obama anti cookie machine and the romney puppet death squads.

After all He's a true blue American.

Offline Will

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2012, 12:29:49 PM »
Not going to rehash it all here.  As I've so often been told, I've said it before, everyone knows where I stand, so why should I say it again?

I don't mean this to attack you, really.  I actually agree with some of your opinions.  I think it's obvious that we live in a corporate state, but I don't believe there's some vast conspiracy designed to perpetuate corporate control.  It's just unnecessary.  I think you'd get a lot more traction with your ideas if you'd drop that bit.  /shrug

But, anyway... If the Forbes 400 is in control of everything, then why are you so concerned with third parties?  If elections are a sham, then it doesn't matter who's running, right?  You've said yourself, that the closest a third party candidate could ever get to the White House is "a quarry in eastern Virginia" or some such. 

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Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2012, 12:44:30 PM »
Not going to rehash it all here.  As I've so often been told, I've said it before, everyone knows where I stand, so why should I say it again?

Your rehashing about how it's all over, that there's no difference between the major parties, no reason to try to enact any real change, is quite a bit different than trying to find some ground on which a viable third party can be constructed. Defeatist attitudes don't get taken seriously, because it's just letting those who espouse the great union of corporate and government power win. They haven't won. They're more on the back foot now than they were a century ago, and history doesn't suggest they will win, either.

Offline OldSchoolGamer

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2012, 06:29:11 PM »
Your rehashing about how it's all over, that there's no difference between the major parties, no reason to try to enact any real change, is quite a bit different than trying to find some ground on which a viable third party can be constructed. Defeatist attitudes don't get taken seriously, because it's just letting those who espouse the great union of corporate and government power win. They haven't won. They're more on the back foot now than they were a century ago, and history doesn't suggest they will win, either.

Let's break this down into its respective parts, shall we?

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Your rehashing about how it's all over

I believe I've stated, and more than once, that I do not construe the decline or even outright collapse of the United States to mean "it's all over."  Tying the fortunes of the entire human race, or even industrial civilization, to the future of one nation is an extremely parochial, nationalistic view.  Empires have fallen, the human race goes on.  There were people living reasonably happy, productive lives even in the ruins of Rome.

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that there's no difference between the major parties

I stand by that assertion.

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no reason to try to enact any real change

Uh...not exactly.  What I mean is there's no reason to try and enact any real change within the framework of the existing system.  More on that:

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is quite a bit different than trying to find some ground on which a viable third party can be constructed.

The problem is that, under the current system, a viable third party cannot be constructed.  The same people that own the Democrats and Republicans, own the mass media.  Why else do you think that the Greens, the Socialists, the Constitutionalists, the Libertarians, et. al., get next to zero press coverage?  They also effectively own the Electoral College.  Let's say you have a major state (like California) with 20 million people who vote.  Let's say the state has 20 electors.  8 million people vote Democrat.  7 million, Republican.  5 million, Green.  The system says that the Democrats get ALL of the electors.  The other two parties, even though they got a combined plurality of the vote, get nothing.  This means that 15 million votes are, for all intents and purposes, thrown away.

This is why a third party will never be viable.  The media will be ordered to ignore it, and even if it does manage to get 10 to 20% of the popular vote, those votes will be discarded.  Remember what Stalin said: those who vote, decide nothing, while those who count the votes, decide everything.

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Defeatist attitudes don't get taken seriously

I prefer hard realism to fluffy-bunny idealism.  It might not be as sexy and appealing, but it's generally a more reliable "compass" to be guided by in decision-making.

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because it's just letting those who espouse the great union of corporate and government power win. They haven't won.

What's your definition of "won?"  Because right now, we live in a country where corporations were ruled by the highest court in the land to have the same rights as people, and where our leaders are part of a global cabal that go to meetings where the militaries of sovereign nations act as their bodyguards.  Sounds awfully much like a "win" to me.

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They're more on the back foot now than they were a century ago, and history doesn't suggest they will win, either.

Show me a nation in history that's gone as far down the imperial, money-printing, debt-driven foreign auxiliary/mercenary using path America is going down now, where it ended well.

The bottom line is some people don't like what I post because I tell it like it is, not as they would like it to be.  I'm sure many people here would love to think the good guys are going to win and that gas will be back down to $2 a gallon, the economy will rev up again, and we'll go back to prosperity and respect for human rights in America.  It's an appealing notion.  I'd love to believe it too.  Unfortunately, history far more often proves out the hard-nosed realists than the Pollyannas.  But people prefer the Pollyannas.






Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2012, 07:05:57 PM »
You know.. I had a three paragraph statement typed up Oldschool.. but then I thought.. why bother? You're missing the point that you always miss. You don't offer anything but the problems. You don't highlight the issues or offer an option. To you.. it's already too late, why bother? That's your message.

I hear that too damn often already. I'm not going to encourage you anymore to look past the straitjacketed outlook you're stuck in.

You win.. I quit. I'm not going to respond to you after this.

Offline Will

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2012, 07:17:30 PM »
I don't think it's irrational or defeatist to be concerned about what's going to happen if/when things don't change.

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Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2012, 07:42:22 PM »
As the saying goes, 'You must be the change you want to see in the world.'  If you don't try to change things, why should you expect them to change?

Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2012, 07:43:43 PM »
As the saying goes, 'You must be the change you want to see in the world.'  If you don't try to change things, why should you expect them to change?

Or.. to quote me.. is it better to roll over, close your eyes and give up.. or lean over to the person next to you and start asking 'how can we help?'

Offline Will

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2012, 07:56:57 PM »
As the saying goes, 'You must be the change you want to see in the world.'  If you don't try to change things, why should you expect them to change?

And that's true, but positive thinking is not a cure-all.  I'm not saying it's hopeless to try, but it seems almost irresponsible to disregard the possibility of failure.

Offline Callie Del Noire

Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2012, 08:02:15 PM »
And that's true, but positive thinking is not a cure-all.  I'm not saying it's hopeless to try, but it seems almost irresponsible to disregard the possibility of failure.

Acknowledge it.. sure.

Wallow in it? Please don't.

That is the problem. Not that we might fail. But the constant assumption that we can't SUCCEED is tedious. I know the odds. People have been trying for 60+ years to fix the issues this time around. We have a party which is totally under the thumb of Double-High Authoritarians who will back anyone and pander to any small group to keep control of the party and lie, cheat, steal and commit any number of frauds to disenfranchise their rivals.

I am aware of the problem. Greatly. I got a picture of a little girl who just turned 9 months, I'd prefer to give her a governement that is better than the one I got rather than simply sit by the side and wail that I can't do anything.

That is why I look at the 'other parties' listen to the folks that are likely to get elected and do my part. Giving up won't fix it.

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Re: finally a third party candidate with a different message!!!
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2012, 08:24:26 PM »
And that's true, but positive thinking is not a cure-all.  I'm not saying it's hopeless to try, but it seems almost irresponsible to disregard the possibility of failure.

But I'm not talking about positive thinking, but positive action.  It's like, I can sit around and bemoan the fact that all the female costumes on the Halloween shelves involve push-up bras and miniskirts - and those are the ones sized for 6th graders - or I can talk about how there should be costumes that don't make the kids dress like they're 25 and freeze their behinds off - or I can pass out lists of child-friendly costume sites at the PTO meeting.

Am I still going to see far too many girls dressed up like Lindsay Lohan?  Probably.  Is it possible that I'll see a Madame Curie, an Athena, or an Amelia Earhart?  Who knows?