Rifts Ultimate Edition

[Keelan]

Update: I have the Core, Rifts Player, and Rifts Game-Master books now! *dances happily*

Anything I'd need to know about char-gen limitations in order to make this happen?

Also, as I'm sure she'd be FAR more balanced in this game, if I wanted to convert the character I recently made into the Savage Rifts character, would that be allowed? She was a Natural/Genius with basically a slew of genetic modifications including aggression, predation, ambidexterity, the jack-of-all 'urge to learn' genetic thing, then genetic Crazy and Kill-Cat (Siberian Tiger)...

...I swear I'm not a munchkin, just thought it'd be funny to make her a badass monstrosity because she believed herself to be a 'Meido' (she was actually from Rifts China (Geofront)), but happened to be stronger than Atlas... and was phobically/frenzy codependent and could never be left alone, as well as a slew of sexual fetishes including exhibitionism...

...I did use a cute picture for her tho! (for those familiar with the character: yes, I did make her mute :3)

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[Rockwolf66]

Also, as I'm sure she'd be FAR more balanced in this game, if I wanted to convert the character I recently made into the Savage Rifts character, would that be allowed? She was a Natural/Genius with basically a slew of genetic modifications including aggression, predation, ambidexterity, the jack-of-all 'urge to learn' genetic thing, then genetic Crazy and Kill-Cat (Siberian Tiger)...

...I swear I'm not a munchkin, just thought it'd be funny to make her a badass monstrosity because she believed herself to be a 'Meido' (she was actually from Rifts China (Geofront)), but happened to be stronger than Atlas... and was phobically/frenzy codependent and could never be left alone, as well as a slew of sexual fetishes including exhibitionism...

...I did use a cute picture for her tho! (for those familiar with the character: yes, I did make her mute :3)

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First off Love the image.

Secondly....how is that character even supposed to function? There is a level of crazy that is fun, there is a level of crazy that's annoying and then there is a level of crazy that is non-functioning in normal society. That sounds non-functioning. Plus there is the fact that so far the other players and potential NPCs are Mortals. Augmented by technology and psionics but mortal none the less.

Oh and if Photobucket somehow works here is my SFW Heather Album.
http://s188.photobucket.com/user/Rockwolf66/library/heather

the NSFW one is shared via dropbox.

[PixelatedPixie]

I am currently leaning towards a Techno-Wizard or Power Armour Soldier.  I will probably go Techno-Wizard though.

[strangeflower]

Anything I'd need to know about char-gen limitations in order to make this happen?

as long as you follow the rules in the books you should be good.

if I wanted to convert the character I recently made into the Savage Rifts character, would that be allowed?

My first thought was yes. But then I read what a mess :) you made. That won't work in savage worlds. Since the characters are somewhat balanced you'd end up with something very bland before you even got close to that concept.

But I do love the image.

Oh and if Photobucket somehow works here is my SFW Heather Album.

Nice. And here I thought that photobucket had stopped working.

I will probably go Techno-Wizard though.

TWs are really cool! That'll be a great idea.

[Keelan]

Secondly....how is that character even supposed to function? There is a level of crazy that is fun, there is a level of crazy that's annoying and then there is a level of crazy that is non-functioning in normal society. That sounds non-functioning. Plus there is the fact that so far the other players and potential NPCs are Mortals. Augmented by technology and psionics but mortal none the less.

The main plan was basically to have her glued to the hip of a Psycho-Stalker (Psi-Stalker Juicer) since she accidentally turned into a walking psycho-stalker buffet as well, it was mostly for a solo-run as well, and we were taking some liberties in customizing her crazy to be so that 99% of the time she was okay... as long as people were around, but the moment people try and leave her alone for even a second, she starts rapidly spiraling into her insanities and then basically turns into a a walking Boom Gun (seriously, found expanded tables for Supernatural PS 100, hits +1d6 harder than a Boom Gun with a normal punch).

Part of the fun was figuring out how to do that within the rules! :3

And to be fair, that was mostly a joke suggestion, though I *am* thinking of how can I make her in this game and be a bit more tame about it...

[Rockwolf66]

Nice. And here I thought that photobucket had stopped working.

For the most part it isn't working. You can actually see people's albums if you are a Photobucket member but I don't think you can see the individual images even if you get to the images via Photobucket. Hotlinking is right out. I mean if their CEO was found machineguned to death in his burning car that had been rammed into a ditch. the lead investigator would take one look at the millions of people who he deliberately has antagonized and write "Suicide" as the cause of death.

I have more images of Heather, Ashley and their friends and Acquaintances.

Of their Friends two of them Emily & LaShawna are practically family.

Emily was the girl next door. After her dad got hurt and couldn't pay the local gang protection money Emily almost got sold into slavery. Heather paid the debt and paid more money so that Emily's family would be left alone until it could get back on their feet. Heather then had the girl house and pet sit while Heather & Ashley had their honeymoon. Unfortunately the gang decided to try and kidnap Emily. Emily and Heather's apprentice, LaShawna, were able to hold off the gang until Heather & Ashley got home. This incident triggered a small war in which Heather ended up in control of the neighborhood. Emily has grown as a person and has discovered her abilities as a Mystic. While she is still fairly innocent and a good person, Emily is Choosing the path her life takes. As a Mystic Emily is a clairvoyant, a power she shares with Ashley. Once when out drinking with Heather, Ashley and LaShawna, Emily started flirting with Ashley. This resulted in Heather giving her and Ashley bare bottom spankings. While it did make her blush at both ends Emily found that she liked it. She is still friendly with the couple, Even though both she and Ashley know where a relationship would lead(with Emily a collared submissive). It's just that neater Emily nor Ashley are ready to be anything more than"Just friends".

LaShawna was born in a brothel. The daughter of 300+ years of prostitutes, LaShawna is not quite human. An independent sort, LaShawna left the brothel as a pre-teen. She survived by starting to run with other youths. While on the streets she discovered her talent for violence and murder. When Heather needed a reliable extra gun for a job, she discovered LaShawna. LaShawna for her part found that heather was the sort of woman she wanted to be. After that job, LaShawna asked to become Heather's apprentice. One of LaShawna's first tasks as an apprentice was to keep an eye on Emily and to make sure that nothing really bad happened to the girl or Heather's house. LaShawna ended up holding off a group of thugs while Emily reloaded guns and magazines for her. The pair was saved by Ashley clearing the house. Proving to be a worthy junior partner, LaShawna joined in Heather's little war. She ended that conflict with a new Motorcycle and a machinegun. After some further training few people not her friends still call her "Trash" and most call her a Brutal Killer Headhunter.

Kitty is someone who the couple has met and according to Ashley's psychic visions will end up in Heather's bed.

Most know Kitty as an asian girl with dyed blue hair wandering the streets. While she looks like a cute human girl, there is something majorly off about her. Most of the time she seems rather clueless. However if you can understand Chinese she casually talks about the most horrific things as if they were nothing. Once she was attacked by one of the local gangs and the gang ended up covering the alley they chased her into. The truth is that Kitty is a Chinese Yaoguai who is looking to reform and become a human being. Bound by the strict laws of the Administration of the Jade Emperor, Kitty is forbidden to use most of her demonic powers. Thus most of the time she remains in her human form, meditating on her goal to become a human. However Heather has caught her interest.

Mysti is a girl who has so far only been seen in Ashley and Emily's psychic visions.  So far nothing is known about the dark skinned redhead in the daisy Dukes.

Oh and a Dropbox link including some NSFW images.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/6fjgybjmyvqpgp9/AABK5710SyHXvACpsnb8cduxa?dl=0

[Keelan]

So yeah, decided I'll make either a Cyborg or a Crazy, of which I'm debating on because while the Borg starts with a high strength that is also MD-level, and I'm not sure how to make that happen with the Crazy easily...

I'm also likely going to make her a mutant, basing her on my most recent character, whose name btw is Xu Jiji.

EDIT: Um, question for the Crazy - Is it games-legal to take enough cyber-related Strain to effectively eliminate her psionics? Her spirit would be at lest 1d6, which would be her starting psionics as well, but I've never been fond of the psionic abilities use for Crazies in concept.

EDIT 2: I actually have justification for my previous question, which has led to me making a suggestion - As my gal is from the Chinese Geofront, as a Crazy she'd actually be a 'Lightning Warrior,' which are more 'disciplined' Crazies, but which also have the Mo Fuquian (Demon Skin) genetic-cybernetic added to them. In the original Rifts, this basically makes them an MDC creature (in the same way as a cyborg is however) with no penalty to psionics, but in Savage Rifts that means she'd have to have enough Cybernetic Armor to be able to resist Mega-Damage (3 iterations of it, so Strain 3).

So my proposal for the Lightning Warrior variant: remove Minor Psionics, and replace it with Mo Fuquian (At the lowest level possible to make her have native MDC armor), POSSIBLY a few other complimentary cybernetics that don't turn her into a full-borg (likely movement-enhancements and/or the close-quarters enhancements, or the organ-replacements), and the Upgradeable Edge to replace the Arcane Background (Psionics) Edge. In-world this makes senes, as Lightning Warriors don't get 'supernatural' Martial Arts, and outside of Rifts China they lose a lot of their access to Chi use (ISP), so it would make sense to make Lightning Warriors more like Crazy-Headhunters (or a combination between Crazy and the Assault Geo-Borg, thus in a way fusing my two ideas I was deciding between ^_^).

How's that sound? :3

[strangeflower]

So yeah, decided I'll make either a Cyborg or a Crazy, of which I'm debating on because while the Borg starts with a high strength that is also MD-level, and I'm not sure how to make that happen with the Crazy easily...

I'm also likely going to make her a mutant, basing her on my most recent character, whose name btw is Xu Jiji.

EDIT: Um, question for the Crazy - Is it games-legal to take enough cyber-related Strain to effectively eliminate her psionics? Her spirit would be at lest 1d6, which would be her starting psionics as well, but I've never been fond of the psionic abilities use for Crazies in concept.

EDIT 2: I actually have justification for my previous question, which has led to me making a suggestion - As my gal is from the Chinese Geofront, as a Crazy she'd actually be a 'Lightning Warrior,' which are more 'disciplined' Crazies, but which also have the Mo Fuquian (Demon Skin) genetic-cybernetic added to them. In the original Rifts, this basically makes them an MDC creature (in the same way as a cyborg is however) with no penalty to psionics, but in Savage Rifts that means she'd have to have enough Cybernetic Armor to be able to resist Mega-Damage (3 iterations of it, so Strain 3).

So my proposal for the Lightning Warrior variant: remove Minor Psionics, and replace it with Mo Fuquian (At the lowest level possible to make her have native MDC armor), POSSIBLY a few other complimentary cybernetics that don't turn her into a full-borg (likely movement-enhancements and/or the close-quarters enhancements, or the organ-replacements), and the Upgradeable Edge to replace the Arcane Background (Psionics) Edge. In-world this makes senes, as Lightning Warriors don't get 'supernatural' Martial Arts, and outside of Rifts China they lose a lot of their access to Chi use (ISP), so it would make sense to make Lightning Warriors more like Crazy-Headhunters (or a combination between Crazy and the Assault Geo-Borg, thus in a way fusing my two ideas I was deciding between ^_^).

How's that sound? :3

Short answer: NO!

Longer answer:

The modifications you propose, while they might be balanced (or somewhat legal) in a Rifts game using Paladium rules, one of the reasons why I want to avoid those rules is just this. If you want to play a crazy with some sort of cyborg armor then you pay the price. That means keeping the minor psionics and if you want armor plating then you can either roll right on the two hero's journey roll that you can make on the cybernetics table or convert the two rolls into what you want as the rules indicate.
You might also have noted that the MD in Savage Rifts is a little different than that in Rifts.
MD means that you can only be damaged by MD weapons (like in Rifts), but MD weapons don't just gooify non-MDC creatures. The normal environmental armors like the T-10 Cyclops are not MDC armors but they are very good none the less. So a character can take a blast from a laser rifle (MD weapon) and still survive - though it will not be pleasant
So the only characters that is really running around with MDC protection are borgs, glitterboys, power armor pilots and the dragon hatchling. None of these are remotely human looking so if your crazy manages to get full MD body armor she'd no longer look anything like the image you posted earlier.

[Keelan]

Okay, yeah, I hadn't really looked into the MD/MDC rules yet, but on the upside I don't have to worry THAT much about 'muh MDC' based on what you say, so that's cool.

I'm still not sure if I want to use the psionics part of it, as I usually have just dumped the psionic abilities into the 'automatic and/or defensive' category (Mind Block,Conceal PPE/ISP, etc) just so it will matter scant little, so if at all possible I would love to find something to replace that ability. If not... well, I don't like having abilities I literally will never use, so I'll consider wiping it out MOSTLy (I'd have to get Rich or Filthy Rich to wipe it out entirely; you only get 5 rolls as a crazy) via cyber...

Though if the augmentation would be something like 'Extra Set of Arms' I'd be rerolling.

[strangeflower]

The MDC rules are much more sensible than the rules in the paladium rules. And you won't have a character with a laser rifle doing the same damage as a huge rail gun on a 50 ton robot - fear the vehicular weapons!

But honestly, from how you describe your character she sounds more like a partial borg/headhunter type of character. Why do you want to force yourself down the crazy road? While they have fantastic abilities, the crazies have some rather nasty penalties associated with them - the stuff sticking out of their heads, their constant need for action and their general craziness, just to name a few.

[Keelan]

Well, for one we already have someone who is making a Headhunter, so I would prefer to make something different.

As for why a Crazy: I *like* the super-soldier idea, but - regarding the Juicer - I dislike the 'shortened lifespan' notion. I can totally get into a weird, quirky badass character, but not one whom is basically barreling headfirst towards death if everything goes WELL; I cannot do that concept justice. We also have a cyber-knight already, so for me it was Glitter Girl (I like the Gigi's, ah like playing mah ladies and I want sexy robots :3), Borg, or Crazy...

Of those, Gigi's are something that is more niche to me, and I tend to favor characters that don't rely on equipment, but rather are enhanced by it. So Borg or Crazy... this is where 'sexy and vanity' came into play; a Crazy doesn't HAVE to have the metal things (flavor text even says so), and they keep all the soft, supple, fleshy bits... so sexy, quirky, badass character, check all the boxes.

I mentioned the cybernetics because I like cybernetics, a LOT. My favorite game is Shadowrun and I like playing Street Sams for a reason. I am not fond of 'minor' psionics, because for my concepts it usually serves as little more than 'defense against mind control' because I REALLY dislike being mind-controlled.

In short: the idea of a cute/sexy/perverted 5'0" ~90lbs girl in a qipao being able to beat the fuck out of demons is amusing to me, and Crazy is the way I can best do that...

...also if this seems defensive, aggressive, or etc, I do apologize; I've been drinking for a while now today, so my tone might not be the best atm >.>

[Rockwolf66]

The MDC rules are much more sensible than the rules in the paladium rules. And you won't have a character with a laser rifle doing the same damage as a huge rail gun on a 50 ton robot - fear the vehicular weapons!

Great! there is a reason I have been playing Rifts either with SDC only rules or via the GURPS rule system. I mean you have frigging derringers doing as much damage as a RPG-7 with an anti-armor warhead. the scaling for vehicles is all wrong to boot. As you said you have the main guns on 50' giant robots doing barely more damage than an infantry rifle. Hell in Rifts WB7: Underseas they claim that a 16" battleship cannon only does 3D6MD. the filler for the shell is 158+ pounds of something the equivlent to C4 plastique. if you look in most Palladium rulebooks it should be doing at least 2D6X100MD.

I think that Keelan wants a physically powerful character with a bunch of quirks. I personally have no issues with that. I for one would just like the character to play well with the group so to speak.

[strangeflower]

...also if this seems defensive, aggressive, or etc, I do apologize; I've been drinking for a while now today, so my tone might not be the best atm >.>

Oh don't worry. I'm not offended at all

And I love that you've put some thought into the character idea. So how about this:

We make the following changes and create a cybernetic enhanced crazy

• Nano-bot repair system:  This system for releasing nanobots can heal biological damage and repair synthetic systems as well. One wound is healed per day, and the crazy gains a +4 to resist Bleeding Out. They also grant a 50% chance to reject any poison or disease in the system .


• Enhanced attributes: Crazies gain +2 die types to Agility, Strength, and Vigor. These traits have no maximum.


• Enhanced Speed: Crazies double their base Pace.


• Heightened Senses: Crazies gain +2 to Notice and Tracking rolls. They also ignore two points of Range penalties.


• Minor Psionic: Unlocking the brain’s potential grants a Crazy Arcane Background (Psionics), 10 ISP, three powers, and Psionics d6. Crazies have access to the following powers: armor, barrier, blind, bolt, boost/lower Trait, clairvoyance, confusion, damage field, darksight, deflection, disguise, dispel, divination, drain Power Points, entangle, environmental protection, farsight, fear, fly, havoc, healing, illusion, intangibility, invisibility, mind reading, pummel, puppet, slow, slumber, smite, speak language, stun, telekinesis, telepathy, teleport, warrior’s gift.
  
  
  • Subdemal armor: The crazy have been upgraded with armor just beneath the skin to protect them from damage, granting armor +4.
  
  
  • Quick: Crazies begin with the Quick Edge.
  
  
  •   Super Endurance: Crazies require only half the normal amount of sleep, and gain +4 on all checks to resist Fatigue.
  
  
  • Super Reflexes: Crazies have uncanny reflexes, granting them a −2 to be hit as long as they are aware of the attack.
  
  
  
  That way you don't have to make your character filthy rich or something and she will be a bad ass sexy girl :)

[Keelan]

So enhanced healing and armor, and some resistance to poison, as the swap for minor psionics... I can work with that I think, and it fits with the in-Palladium-world thing she'd be pretty well if I didn't make her as crazy a Crazy, lol.

I'll put together her race and class asap, and I already have a char-sheet set up: https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1449169

Please note it's HEAVILY WIP, so most of the info at the bottom is just my notes at this point...

EDIT: Oh, and I HEAVILY REQUEST at LEAST one person in our group have the ability to 'speak' Sign Language; my girl will be mute... Page 94 of the Deluxe Core book suggests that for 'settings where characters are likely to know many languages' - which Rifts would qualify - It's suggested that the characters know their 'national languages' as well as 1/2 their Smarts in additional languages... I propose we use this rule to make getting the necessary languages a little easier.

[strangeflower]

Like I promised. I've put up a formal request now in the GM seeking thread:

https://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=281036.0

Please direct all further activity there as I'm not likely to keep checking this thread.