"The ends justifying the means" seems to apply to many perspectives.
"The means of exposing secrets to see to a certain end"
"The means of imposing secrets to see to a certain end"
What I don't seem to follow is a strong belief that if secrecy is exploited for non ethical intentions,
Those exposing it should be punished, this effectively gives says
"Hmm governments and stuff should be allowed to be unethical and do dogy stuff and play nasty games, thats what governments do in the past therefore it should be fine for the current one and future ones. Sure others may have issues with it but THAT only happened because it stopped being secret.
The "problem" isn't how power is abused people should expect it to be abused. The problem is others making it public so lets punish the exposers, protect the abusers of secrecy ... um we have laws for that yes - treason ? espionage phew !! wow thay are catch all aces for heaps ! damn if I am not going to play those any time I can
... hmm how do we prevent this happening again ?
Hmm lets make more conditions that count for such things - penalties harsher and put pressure on other countries to do the same in case its their civillians that pissed us off - wouldn't mind reaching those also ... hmm done.
What a great days work, my mom must be so proud. God bless America. The land of true truth, the real just, the only right, cause damn we have options for those who see life through their own perspective.
Hmm, seems all our trade conditions ensure these are now settled and no room for debate - excellent makes my job easier. Which means I may be bored tomorrow ... lets have a look at that list of resources that America wants more of ... rare earths ? Who has all those ? China ! damn thats a super power can't take over that one that easily, pity, hmm whats next on the list... Ah ! good that will do, now to try and make up a reason for us to appear in force... hmm tentative but what the hell... lets do that anyway. Done ! Wow what america does for world peace. They just dont get it - there would be no more wars if everyone just agreed to america ! We have already proved we are altruistic ! Those lorals can't be worn thin - ever. After WWII we could have kept on conquering but we didn't so that proves we are good, for ever more no matter what .... hey we even made the UN - yeah we veto anything that could take away our power but its called the UN so that should be enough."
Even if some laws are broken, how appropriate they are should be placed in doubt if their existence is being exploited.
If you have a law for something it doesn't mean the law is right. Many unethical laws exist, doesn't mean applying the law is justified. "Under the law we can detain X for Y days with charge" => Therefore legal - therefor ok.
or "This is an act of espionage = therefore illegal - therefore bad.
This lets laws define too much, we stop being people and become "behavior sets" which different processes apply to.
Terrorist ?? <facepalm>
Now I know this isn't true of individual American citizens nor likely is true from an individuals within ministries of the US.
But as far as foreign policy goes as a whole America seems to act this way, and just doesn't seem to want to stop,
What seems to be pushed is everyone "else" which is wrong, and that America is authoritarian on what is good or right, or true. This doesn't win hearts and minds, fighting momentum of non-agreement or disagreement its just going to make America "vs" more and more and more and more for longer and longer and longer, until something gives.
Ideally internally to America (ie their own civilians are bored of this) and America reinvents itself. Recent complications in other countries and wiki-leaks is an opportunity for that, if they are not what would be ? America always seems to need to be on top of everything .. they can't just let some things go and chill out a little and frankly I'm not sure if America can stop doing this even if it knows its spreading itself too thin, I think it would prefer to tear itself to pieces than give up trying.
So much drama ... America just chill ! More like Dramerica :)
And I know some here are USA citizens and will feel passionate about defending the actions of their country. But most others in other countries don't have the same passionate-nationalistic-association on dynamic principals though and are more than happy to go " from your perspective yeah you have a point , still we work with what we have "
and leave it there ..
but ones who are a ... Dramerican ... (and I am not saying all Americans are) they will want to choose conflict with what I say and NEED to assume an authoritarian stance on interpretation and truth.... want to fight what I imply here. Imply what I am saying is due to an inferior or flawed mindset, will want others to agree with you, need to win (America = win, game = everything, time = always, place = everywhere) , act if so by their own fathoming - beleive they have. Then be dismissive on those who didn't side with you ... then choose an aggressive stance on another topic ... pounce on it ... choose a hard line, be exposed to those not agreeing ... repeat.
If America was a person its not a friend, nor someone one can really reason with, more like a sports jock that shouts the loudest, threatens the most, punches the fastest the hardest and knows it. Muscles their way to steal every ball they see anyone playing with, no matter what game. Seems America doesn't want to "play" with other nations - they just want to "own" all balls others can play with. The only times they even think to appeal to other nations is when there is behavior they want other nations to do for Americas best interest.
If countries were people, and the world a house, America would be one of the most
unpleasant people to live with,
but you have to agree with the arrogant loud mouth aggressive jock because you don't want to be beaten up for even implying
they are a <bleep>."Omg America we be worse so therefore is good. And has done some good therefore good" .
.. no, just because the jock has done SOME good and hasnt yet eaten every baby and killed all the houses pets doesn't make the jock good or right or truthful or reasonable on subjects the jock chooses have issues with.
Each issue the jock does, it chooses one of the hardest stances conceivable. The only reason the jock isn't eating all the houses babies is because currently the jock doesn't want to, judging from past behavior its certainly not ethical or humanitarian reasons which would prevent them doing so.
Doing whatever you want then claiming its "In the interests of world peace" ... "In the interests of National Security" or "its principal X which is more important than any conflicting principal, we have thought about it longer and in a manner more in depth and inclusive than anyone cause we are America, we are more authoritarian on what that is and when it applies so there. And OMG the world will implode otherwise ! trust us we know ! One way - American way.
Then vilifying or dismissing those who think otherwise only enchants .. and enthralls and convinces.
... the Dramericans.