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Author Topic: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?  (Read 3927 times)

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #125 on: July 06, 2013, 09:04:59 PM »
Is waiting for the day the Phoenix power takes over Galactus or Thanos. Probably spells the end of the Marvel Universe... and has probably already happened. :\

Never mind.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #126 on: July 07, 2013, 07:29:00 AM »
Won't happen, unless forced, the Phoenix Force prefers to bond with it's own gender:  Female.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #127 on: July 07, 2013, 07:34:22 AM »
Won't happen, unless forced, the Phoenix Force prefers to bond with it's own gender:  Female.
Yeah, I forgot, nigh-immortal, super-powerful entities that have basically ascended to a higher plane of existence beyond the physical care about gender only in comic books. :P

(Still, it's probably happened ;D)

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #128 on: July 07, 2013, 08:24:11 AM »
Yeah, I forgot, nigh-immortal, super-powerful entities that have basically ascended to a higher plane of existence beyond the physical care about gender only in comic books. :P

(Still, it's probably happened ;D)
PERSONALLY, I don't take issue because I understand it as a story device.  It works.  On the other hand, just because you're nigh-immortal, super-powerful doesn't mean you aren't or cannot be vain.  And a gender identity can help with that, after all.

What's the phrase?  "I am Woman, hear me roar!"?  (May have gotten that one wrong, been years since I've heard it.)  :-)

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #129 on: July 07, 2013, 12:43:40 PM »
I think the gripe is less a massively powerful entity being vain and choosy and more that a cosmic entity has a gender in the first place.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #130 on: July 07, 2013, 12:45:05 PM »
Twas just a joke. :P

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #131 on: July 07, 2013, 01:00:29 PM »
I don't know about everyone else but I wouldn't mind having films for The Starjammers or Silver Sable... I would also love to see a Generation X movie or series done right this time... Then again I'm an old fan of Gen X and seeing how they snubbed Jubilee in the movies...

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #132 on: July 08, 2013, 09:53:50 AM »
Yeah, I liked X-Men and X2 but X3 was just...barf. I can't believe Bryan Singer left the production to go do that steaming pile of DC dung Superman Returns. Not only did X-Men lose its winning director but somehow he humiliated himself by failing to salvage DC's most iconic hero.

Offline Moraline

Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #133 on: July 08, 2013, 10:47:01 AM »
Off topic, but has anyone seen the new Superman - Man of Steel movie? Is it any good?

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #134 on: July 08, 2013, 11:50:00 AM »
I liked it.  But then I'm not a purist, nor do I form attachments to actors or directors.  So I try to look at it from a relatively objective point.  But I thought it was a good film.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #135 on: July 08, 2013, 12:01:48 PM »
I liked it.  But then I'm not a purist, nor do I form attachments to actors or directors.  So I try to look at it from a relatively objective point.  But I thought it was a good film.
Good enough for me! Thanks for the feedback on it.



Does anyone think that the future will see a lot more Marvel super hero TV series if the new SHIELD one does well?

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #136 on: July 08, 2013, 12:43:09 PM »
Hope so.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #137 on: July 08, 2013, 02:09:41 PM »
Off topic, but has anyone seen the new Superman - Man of Steel movie? Is it any good?

 I thought it was awesome. But there are a lot of people who want to nitpick at every little detail.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #138 on: July 08, 2013, 03:41:17 PM »
I have ONE tiny nitpick, but I understand why they did it, in context of story and movie.  Other than that, and that's easy to ignore, it's a good film!

Spoiler: Click to Show/Hide
The issue I have is that Zod and buddies were all as strong as Superman from the word go, which even by the films narrative would have been a 'no'.  That's not to say they wouldn't be superstrong or tough, Krypton was a high G world after all, but Superman would have been superiour, without the need to combat train.  They'd be moving like snails compared to his power, given the amount of time he's had under Earth's sun.  HOWEVER, it would have made for a lousy film, so I forgive that lapse in plot.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #139 on: July 08, 2013, 04:39:38 PM »
If you believe that...tch. And Batman's arsenal of gadgets (and being able to 'fly') are too over-the-top even for the Marvelverse, but he uses them and that's what makes his movies rock despite a lack of powers. Besides, he's not from a continuity where he'll constantly be compared to others (god forbid Superman) so he's not insecure about what he can do despite not having super-strength or anything like that.

I remember one JLA where the rest of the team was captured and helpless and the bad guy goes 'He's only human..' and in the next ten pages the bad guys learn that 'only human' isn't a limit when it's Batman.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #140 on: July 08, 2013, 05:32:44 PM »
I remember one JLA where the rest of the team was captured and helpless and the bad guy goes 'He's only human..' and in the next ten pages the bad guys learn that 'only human' isn't a limit when it's Batman.

I always liked the line - 'I'm not trying to beat you.  I only need to distract you.'

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #141 on: July 08, 2013, 06:36:29 PM »
I thought it was awesome. But there are a lot of people who want to nitpick at every little detail.
Where the hell are his God-damned red underpants! D:< ;D

To quote Stephen Colbert, "...Also, the guy the cast to play him [Superman] looks suspiciously like the guy they cast to play Clark Kent. That's going to confuse the audience." :D

I want to see it, but I just haven't wanted to go to a theater lately.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #142 on: July 09, 2013, 10:02:07 AM »
I was so let down by Superman Returns I'm not giving Man of Steel the chance (not with a score of less than 60% on most critic sites; that's an F in academic terms).

As for TV shows, I would have hoped they'd try something else besides Agents of SHIELD. I mean, how exciting can it possibly be if they aren't superheroes? Maybe if they covered some loose ends that I've been wanting to see (like how did they deal with Blonsky/The Abomination after the end of Hulk? Did he change back to human form or did he stay stuck like that the way he did in the comics? And if so how did they imprison him effectively enough not to have heard a peep out of him since?)

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #143 on: July 09, 2013, 10:07:10 AM »
I was so let down by Superman Returns I'm not giving Man of Steel the chance (not with a score of less than 60% on most critic sites; that's an F in academic terms).

As for TV shows, I would have hoped they'd try something else besides Agents of SHIELD. I mean, how exciting can it possibly be if they aren't superheroes? Maybe if they covered some loose ends that I've been wanting to see (like how did they deal with Blonsky/The Abomination after the end of Hulk? Did he change back to human form or did he stay stuck like that the way he did in the comics? And if so how did they imprison him effectively enough not to have heard a peep out of him since?)
I've found that, ironically, the target audience of comic book readers are the most difficult (sometimes unrealistically so) to please. They want it to be so awesome so bad that if it's really just good or middle-of-the-road it might as well be failing. When you point out this subconscious skewing that happens they tend to get incredibly defensive. 

Just a personal, general observation.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #144 on: July 09, 2013, 01:40:37 PM »
Where the hell are his God-damned red underpants! D:< ;D

To quote Stephen Colbert, "...Also, the guy the cast to play him [Superman] looks suspiciously like the guy they cast to play Clark Kent. That's going to confuse the audience." :D

I want to see it, but I just haven't wanted to go to a theater lately.
I enjoyed it
I also had an issue with what was said in the spoiler, but for cinematic sakes, its ignorable

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #145 on: July 09, 2013, 02:26:21 PM »
I was so let down by Superman Returns I'm not giving Man of Steel the chance (not with a score of less than 60% on most critic sites; that's an F in academic terms).

 If it isn't the most amazing ever, then it's going to get a low score. Dark Knight is the standard now for all superhero movies, and they are expected to surpass that to be good.

 Was Man of Steel better than Dark Knight? No, it wasn't. Was it a good movie in it's own regard? In my humble opinion, it was.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #146 on: July 09, 2013, 02:31:16 PM »

 If it isn't the most amazing ever, then it's going to get a low score. Dark Knight is the standard now for all superhero movies, and they are expected to surpass that to be good.

 Was Man of Steel better than Dark Knight? No, it wasn't. Was it a good movie in it's own regard? In my humble opinion, it was.
I'm actually shocked that people liked Nolan's Bat-Thug, to be honest.  Not to mention the bad pacing and story telling of the last film, but meh.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #147 on: July 09, 2013, 02:43:00 PM »
I think he got a lot of mileage out of the absolute perfect storm that was The Dark Knight.

Rises is probably as good as Begins. Nolan had neat idea and ran with it. I'd say they're the best Batman movies to ever bless the big screen. :|

EDIT: I also think Nolan's Batman was better than anything Frank Miller ever did with the character.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #148 on: July 09, 2013, 02:48:23 PM »
I think he got a lot of mileage out of the absolute perfect storm that was The Dark Knight.

Rises is probably as good as Begins. Nolan had neat idea and ran with it. I'd say they're the best Batman movies to ever bless the big screen. :|

EDIT: I also think Nolan's Batman was better than anything Frank Miller ever did with the character.
Miller was...  OK.  But the main reason he's gotten so much 'praise' is because it was around the time of the Watchmen and that period of the 80s, it was the start of 'The Iron Age' of comics, not to mention that 'deconstruction' was the order of the day.

However, one of the key elements that most of the Batman movies always miss out to date, is the detective part of Batman.

And before you say that wouldn't work, I'd like to point out that the first (recent) Sherlock Holmes film captured that perfectly.

So I stand by my statement.  Nolan's Batman isn't all that good because he still missed the integral part of the Bat.  His mind.  And in the later films he even took away his body.

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Re: Marvel Comics in Film: What Might the Future Hold?
« Reply #149 on: July 09, 2013, 03:45:03 PM »
He did some fairly detective-ish things in all the movies, and I'm with you on that, but I've noticed that this does not exactly translate well into the movies or the games (the Animated Series did it well). I've been thoroughly disappointed by the detective elements of both Arkham Games so far. :\

Yeah Sherlock Holmes did it well, I wonder if they just decided to play up the actiony parts of Batman's Character. Of course it could be what T.V. tropes calls Adaptation Distillation. You're not going to get all the elements of a character with a what nearly 100 year history who's been through several different iterations. So I don't really have a good answer for that.

I think Miller has a closet fascism fetish, but that's what I get from the man. He's almost got a Rand-esque zeal for it though. :\