I think everyone should read Trump's acceptance speech.

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Oniya

Quote from: Beguile's Mistress on November 15, 2016, 03:24:41 PM
Government should concern itself with maintaining laws and the infrastructure, providing citizens with safe and adequate jobs, housing and food sources as well as educational resources for all.

When government inserts itself in ideology, religion, life style and a person's health needs to the detriment of any, even one single individual, it is wrong.

The problem is that people would disagree on what is a 'detriment'.  There are times when the government has had to intervene on what would be termed a 'life-style' or 'ideology' because of the effect of that very ideology on a large number of people.
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Quote from: Oniya on November 15, 2016, 03:42:04 PM
The problem is that people would disagree on what is a 'detriment'.  There are times when the government has had to intervene on what would be termed a 'life-style' or 'ideology' because of the effect of that very ideology on a large number of people.

Yes indeed. I do not think it would be realistic for the government to abdicate all responsibility on matters of ideology anyway. Ideally one would want a "just" government, but alas there are widely differing ideas of what constitute justice...

Idej

Quote from: Beguile's Mistress on November 15, 2016, 03:24:41 PM
Government should concern itself with maintaining laws and the infrastructure, providing citizens with safe and adequate jobs, housing and food sources as well as educational resources for all.

When government inserts itself in ideology, religion, life style and a person's health needs to the detriment of any, even one single individual, it is wrong.

That much I do agree upon.  I am sorry if my words are not the best at times, but I do appreciate what you said and that is what I would like to see.  I just kind of went off on a tangent and I apologize for that.

Quote from: Atarn on November 15, 2016, 03:39:16 PM
Isn't Trump and his goons basically the KKK though? Trump will at best set equal rights back a couple of decades, and he did call Mexicans by some unflattering epithets. His Vice Pres is a Very Right-Wing Religious Nut and he just appointed some Breitbart goon to his inner group.
So, not to be rude or anything...But why do you and people like you expect this to be a polite time? Trump basically rode into power on a wave of racism, sexism, hatred and intolerance and it's not looking like he's going to change much of that once in power...It's basically like electing Mussolini, then going. "Oh, terribly sorry. Didn't think he'd beat you up just because he promised to do so before being elected."
And I hate that this will no doubt rub off on us across the pond, giving the Brownshirt's here fuel for the fire.

I voted for Trump because I couldn't vote for Hillary due to how well she performed in other positions of power, by that same logic Trump wasn't a great choice either, but I felt it was better than what Hillary would have offered if only by a marginal amount.  Gary Johnson did not get the support I would have liked to have seen so he was out of the picture too.

You may think of me as a bigot all you want or an idiot, but all I have ever wanted to see was peaceful respect towards people and from what I am seeing from the rioting, the violent protesting, and sheer hatred from both sides.

I am only expressing myself here because I feel that this place is the most accepting place I have been too.  In all my time here, I do not think I have made bad remarks towards anyone for their way of life and I do not want to do so still.  The fact that I voted for Trump may be seen as an insult to many here, but in my defense I felt the option was the lesser of two evils no matter how marginally different they are.

And if Trump fails I will admit that I made the wrong choice.  I didn't make the vote strongly in the Trump Camp it was a hesitant choice and I will live with it if whether for good or ill.

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Quote from: Idej on November 15, 2016, 03:17:15 PM
Term limits because face it, both sides of the arguments have their "in-crowd" and "good ol' boys" club that will continuously keep getting elected over and over again until the day they die and will constantly seek power for themselves and not stand for their constituents.  Now part of the reason isn't just the elected officials fault, but it is the fault of many people who-in whether a fault of their own or not, do not examine each candidate thoroughly to vote them in.  Most of the time, it is just like High School all over again where the ones who have the "cool appeal" get in.  ...
One thing I believe is worth keeping in mind about people not examining the candidates closely enough: There are a whole lot of "safe seats" in the House and Senate. The time to examine those candidates is not before the actual elections - it is before the primaries. Once a party that is almost guaranteed to win an election has made its choice of candidate it is too late; that candidate will get elected with near certainty.

People who live in "safe seat districts" need to get involved in the primaries, examine the candidates then, make their voice heard then, if they want to have a real choice. In districts clearly dominated by one party, the primaries may be your only time to make a difference and I think many people overlook that.
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Quote from: Idej on November 15, 2016, 04:06:36 PM
And if Trump fails I will admit that I made the wrong choice.  I didn't make the vote strongly in the Trump Camp it was a hesitant choice and I will live with it if whether for good or ill.

Define "fail." I'm less concerned with the ability of waffling Trump supporters uncomfortable with alt-right undertones to look at themselves in the mirror than I am with the potential worst case futurescape and the people directly negatively impacted by some of Trump's policy positions combined with Republican control of all branches of Federal government.

Easy to say "well, took a two flusher on that one!" when it's not civil liberties that affect your life directly being impacted.