Zombies Ate My Brain! (OOC Thread)

[Remiel]

This thread is for Out Of Character posts relating to the Zombies Ate My Brain! game, as well as the asking / answering of questions.

[Marguerite]

Booyah.

[Professor Loki Caprion]

Ah! Here we go!  >:)

[Geeklet]

Woo, can't wait for things to get rollin

[Marguerite]

-Gets out the gun and her cowboy hat-

[Ryven]

*shambles in*

[Beguile's Mistress]

~Strolls in with her box lunch of Thanksgiving Day leftovers and a book~

[Rhedyn]

*bounds in excitedly*

[Remiel]

Whew! All the roles have been assigned.  Check your PMs.

Please note that there will be one correction to the rules:

Military Veteran -- the Military Vet, as an ex-Marine, has the ability to protect one person per night from zombie attack in addition to him/herself.  In other words, the Military Vet can protect him/herself and someone else at the same time.  The Military Vet can still be Infected, in which case he/she will lose this ability.

[Professor Loki Caprion]

AWESOME!

However... is it possible to get a list of the people posted in the thread so we know who to vote between?

[Marguerite]

A bit busy at the moment baking a cake and getting out alcohol.

[Geeklet]

AWESOME!

However... is it possible to get a list of the people posted in the thread so we know who to vote between?

Taken from the original interest thread:

1. Ryven
2. Geeklet
3. Rhedyn
4. Marguerite
5. Esoteric Myobi
6. Leorobin
7. Aiden
8. Moirae
9. Professor Loki Caprion
10. Beguile's Mistress
11. rottenaim
12. Kyrsa
13. Valerian
14. Imogen
15. Transgirlenstein
16. Izu

[Marguerite]

Thanks Geeklet.

[Remiel]

Whoops, that probably would be useful, huh?  :-[

[Professor Loki Caprion]

No big deal, bud! :D I don't think anyone will get upset that we lost a few moments of arguing time!

[Marguerite]

Damn and I wanted to argue someone's face off.

[Professor Loki Caprion]

Not to worry, Marg! You still have nearly a week to verbally wreck some faces!

[Marguerite]

By then, I will have had my manicure and able to tear some faces off.

[Valerian]

I need a grant from the government.  The vital question of why being named Natalia is so detrimental to one's health must be studied!

[Remiel]

Perhaps it's just an unlucky name?   ???

[Remiel]

Hey gang, another rule clarification, if I may:

If a survivor is Infected, he loses his special ability, if he has one, until he is cured by the Doctor or Nurse. 

For example,  let's say the Military Vet is Infected during night 1 by a Zombie.  He can protect someone (and himself) during night 1, as usual, because this occurs at the same time.

However, as is he is now Infected, he cannot protect someone during night 2. His status has changed from Military Veteran to Infected and he has lost his special ability.

If he is cured by the Doctor or Nurse during night 2, he returns to his regular role the following day, and can once again protect someone for night 3. 

If he is not cured during night 2, he will turn into a Zombie from that point on. 

Ugh, I hope this isn't as complicated as it sounds.  I just wanted to clarify what happens when someone is Infected.  As always, feel free to either post questions here, or ask me in PM.

[desert ashes]

I need a grant from the government.  The vital question of why being named Natalia is so detrimental to one's health must be studied!

I love how she's now making guest appearances! ::Giggles.::  Immortalized as the one who died first.

[Professor Loki Caprion]

I need a grant from the government.  The vital question of why being named Natalia is so detrimental to one's health must be studied!

This is my first time doing a game like this, so I must be missing something!

[Remiel]

This is my first time doing a game like this, so I must be missing something!

In Moirae's Mafia Murder Theater games, Natalia was always the NPC who died on the first night to get the ball rolling.  I've decided to use her as well in my games from now on.  ;D

[Marguerite]

Poor Natalia. I know never to invite her over unless I want to spend a night washing out the blood from the carpet.

[Ryven]

Hey gang, another rule clarification, if I may:

If a survivor is Infected, he loses his special ability, if he has one, until he is cured by the Doctor or Nurse. 

For example,  let's say the Military Vet is Infected during night 1 by a Zombie.  He can protect someone (and himself) during night 1, as usual, because this occurs at the same time.

However, as is he is now Infected, he cannot protect someone during night 2. His status has changed from Military Veteran to Infected and he has lost his special ability.

If he is cured by the Doctor or Nurse during night 2, he returns to his regular role the following day, and can once again protect someone for night 3. 

If he is not cured during night 2, he will turn into a Zombie from that point on. 

Ugh, I hope this isn't as complicated as it sounds.  I just wanted to clarify what happens when someone is Infected.  As always, feel free to either post questions here, or ask me in PM.

I think if you just remind people in PMs when their role changes, it will be alright.

[Marguerite]

Nice avatar, Ryven.

[Ryven]

Thanks ;D

[Marguerite]

Anytime.

-Smiles-

[Remiel]

Hey, gang. Just a quick reminder (although I'm sure most of you know this already):

While it is certainly acceptable--even highly encouraged--to plot and scheme in private messages, I do ask that you copy me on all correspondence.  This is so I can correct any mistaken assumptions, and also because it's highly amusing sometimes to see what people are thinking.  Thanks!

[Marguerite]

Aye, aye, Remy.

[Remiel]

Hey gang,  since the first night is almost upon us, in an effort to try to be as fair and internally consistent as possible, I've drawn up the sequence of events that happen each night.  You don't have to worry about any of this;   feel free to ignore this post entirely unless you are as obsessive-compulsive about the rules as I am.

For the purposes of grammatical simplicity, I will only use the male pronouns "he" and "him".  The Sequence happens once the Doctor, Nurse, Military Vet, Scientist, and any Zombie(s) give me their targets.

Sequence of Events:

1. If the ZOMBIE(s) decide to INFECT someone, he does so now.  If the target is IMMUNE, nothing happens. If the target is either another ZOMBIE or already INFECTED, nothing happens. Otherwise the target is now INFECTED.
2. The DOCTOR and NURSE attempt to cure their targets.  If the target is INFECTED, that person is cured and returns to his previous role. If the target is either normal, IMMUNE, or a ZOMBIE, nothing happens. The DOCTOR will be told if the target is a ZOMBIE.
3. A person who was previously INFECTED, if he is not cured by the DOCTOR or NURSE, transforms into an actual ZOMBIE.
4. The SCIENTIST learns whether his target is now normal, IMMUNE, a ZOMBIE, or INFECTED.
5. If the ZOMBIE(s) decide to ATTACK someone, he does so now.  If the target is the MILITARY VET or protected by the MILITARY VET, nothing happens.  If the target is either another ZOMBIE or INFECTED, nothing happens. If the target is the SURVIVALIST, the Survivalist kills the zombie instead. Otherwise the target is killed by the zombie.
6. The PSYCHIC now learns how many ZOMBIES and INFECTED there are.
7. INFECTED now lose their abilities (if they had any).

Once again, don't worry about any of this unless you are as obsessive-compulsive about rules as I am.   :-)

[Remiel]

Sorry guys. Waiting on one more person.

[Remiel]

He awoke clutching his shotgun to him for dear life.  Sadly, he had drooled all down the barrel in his slumber, so he would have to clean it yet again. 

I LOL'd.  ;D

[Ryven]

I LOL'd.  ;D

Glad you enjoyed it. :D

[Remiel]

She went back to cuddling her copy of Pride and Prejudice unhappily.  It was one of the few intact books left, most of the rest having been burned for heat or used as toilet tissue, and she was very protective of it.

Nothing is safe from the zombie apocalypse! NOTHING!

[Valerian]

Someone caught the reference!  *dances*

[Ryven]

The zombies only attack 1 person a night, yes?

[Remiel]

Each zombie only attacks at most one person a night.  There may be multiple zombies, in which case we may have multiple victims.

[Ryven]

Ahh, okay.  That makes things more dire then.  *ponders*

[Valerian]

See, this is why we need to start reaching a quorum.  *nods*

[Ryven]

The quorum could also be our undoing.  Sadly, I think that the difficulty goes up exponentially with each new zombie unlike the other games because more than one victim can now die per night.

[Remiel]

True.  The one thing that is working in the survivors' favor, though, is that the zombie(s) aren't working in concert.   In fact, unless they attempt to communicate with each other, they will have no idea who the other zombie(s) or Infected are.  It's even possible that a zombie may try to eat or Infect another zombie (nothing will happen in this case, but it will still be amusing).

I did this on purpose, to encourage communication within both groups.  My goal is to create a situation where many of the survivors each have small pieces of the puzzle; but only by talking to each other and sharing information will they be able to see the big picture and easily identify the zombies among them.  Unfortunately, there's always an inherent risk involved -- who can you trust? By sharing your information, are you making yourself a target?

I think these games become more fun the more plotting/scheming/deception there is.   >:)

[Valerian]

I'm no good at number-crunching -- I see the calculations of win percentages in various version of Mafia games, and my head hurts.  Heh.

However, it seems to me that it's better to vote people out even if we're uncertain.  We might be voting out a survivor or even someone with a special role; but if we vote no one out, then we know that there's no chance of getting rid of a zombie... and they're only going to keep multiplying, unless they have really bad luck.

[Professor Loki Caprion]

I just wanted to take a moment to say Remiel's new avatar is the best ever, and I think everyone on E should use it (or ones similar)!

... and hopefully he won't have changed it to something else before people read this.

[Remiel]

Heh heh, yeah, puppies are adorable.

Esoteric Myobi is having internet problems, but she messaged me this morning to toss in her vote for Transgirlenstein.

[Valerian]

Okay.  I'm no statistical wizard, but given the possible geometric progression here, I'm thinking we really need to start exiling, or we're doomed.  :(

[Marguerite]

Wouldn't we have a better chance given the fact we are not throwing any lucky people out?

[Valerian]

If we end up with four zombies -- which could happen very soon -- then the odds of them infecting or eating the brains of those with special roles are going to be very high.  So it won't matter if we haven't exiled them; they'll still be gone, for all practical purposes.

It's questions like these, though, that require someone better versed in math than I am.   :P

[Marguerite]

Oh, do not get me started on statistics. I have a stats final online in 30 minutes.

-Rubs her forehead-

[Remiel]

Starting on Day Three, I'm going to modify the rules so that an individual needs to garner a majority of votes cast in order to be exiled, as opposed to total votes.  In other words,  assuming Moirae and rottenaim haven't cast their votes by Wednesday, Loki Caprion will need eight votes to be exiled instead of nine.  (Fourteen total votes cast / 2 + 1 = 8)

So everyone will still have to get on the same page in order to boot a Survivor, but hopefully this will ease the difficulty somewhat. 

Imagine that you were one of the characters in our little story (or a character on Walking Dead).  As far as you know, you're all that remains of the human race.  Even with the fear of a zombie in your ranks, it should be difficult to willingly sacrifice a fellow human being without proof.  You're going to need all the survivors you can get. 

[Valerian]

The problem is that most of us can't get proof until we're already zombified.  :(

[Professor Loki Caprion]

Not sure if I like how I'm the one used in the example...

[Remiel]

I didn't mean to infer anything by it, Loki.  I used you as an example because you're the one with the most votes at the moment. ;)

[Remiel]

Esoteric Myobi is still internet-less at home, but she has informed me she wishes to change her vote to Marguerite.

[Marguerite]

Hopefully she is able to get back online soon.

[Remiel]

Has anyone heard from Rottenaim lately?

[Professor Loki Caprion]

Has anyone heard from Rottenaim lately?

Nothing on this front!

[Rhedyn]

Has anyone heard from Rottenaim lately?

Nope, nothing.

[Marguerite]

Not at all. Has Rotten been on lately?

[Remiel]

Rule corrections, going into effect this point forward:

1. A majority of total survivors is no longer needed to evict someone from the camp.  To be ejected, someone needs to get a majority of votes cast.  For example, if there are 14 survivors (normally requiring a quorum of 8), and one person does not cast her vote, only 7 votes are needed to eliminate somebody.

2. If zombie Infects the Doctor or Nurse, that person will become Infected for one full day, at the end of which he will use his vaccines to cure himself and revert to his previous role.  During the night he reverts from Infected to his previous role, he is vulnerable to zombie attack.

3. If multiple zombies choose to eat the same target, I will roll a dice to determine which zombie gets there first.  The zombie that actually kills the victim will get to eat his brains (and will then get the option of Infecting someone the following night), while any additional zombies will go hungry (and will thus not have that option).


Also, I was going to make the deadline for voting this round the evening of December 24th, but then I realized that that's Christmas Eve.  Is that going to be enough time for everybody, or is an extension in order?

[Rhedyn]

*peruses the rule corrections*

That's enough time for me   :-)

[Remiel]

Bueller...?  Bueller...?  Bueller...?

Bueller Bueller Bueller

[Remiel]

Just a reminder, people.  If you're going to vote, I need you to do so by tomorrow.

(Honestly, I do hate to nag; but I hate it even more when a game lurches to a screeching halt.  If you're going to be MIA for any extended period of time, that's fine; I just ask that you let me know. )

[Marguerite]

Remy,

I have been fighting a chest infection and seeing a doctor today. I will vote by tonight.

[Remiel]

Not a problem m'dear.  I hope you feel better soon.

[Marguerite]

Well, it is confirmed I have bronchitis and taking medication to fight it now.

[Remiel]

Ouch, geez.  I have had bronchitis before and it is definitely not fun. Take care of yourself!

[Marguerite]

Thanks, I have got some nice drugs to make me feel better.

[Marguerite]

-Cackles and lips her bloody lips-

[Beguile's Mistress]

^__^

I had a feeling.

[Marguerite]

How did you figure moi out, Beguile?

[Beguile's Mistress]

I don't know how I do it.  I've been able to intuitively pick the bad guy about 60-70% of the time in these games.

I may be jinxing myself by saying that so don't count on my next pick to be right. :P

[Marguerite]

True though I almost nommed your brains but I went for eating Imogen and it worked.

[Beguile's Mistress]

Good think I hid the condiments, then.  Might have made my gray matter less appealing. :D

[Marguerite]

Damn, I wondered who had removed the ketchup and mustard.

[Remiel]

Quick Note: Since I haven't been able to get ahold of rottenaim, I've been rolling randomly for her role in order to keep the game moving.

[Marguerite]

She out of internet?

[Remiel]

Er....it's been three days, and not a single vote.  :'(

Is that because everyone's afraid of voting first?  Is a week not enough time?  Is everyone suffering post-holiday blues?  Talk to me, people!

[Ryven]

We're all zombified and therefore only crave brains.  *eyes Remiel's cranium*

[Geeklet]

This is my first game... I really don't know what to say first. I've always just been reacting to other people.

[Remiel]

We're all zombified and therefore only crave brains.  *eyes Remiel's cranium*

Oh dear...*backs away*

This is my first game... I really don't know what to say first. I've always just been reacting to other people.

That's quite all right.  I'm just trying to make sure that people are still alive and awake out there.  I'd hate for someone to get kicked out because only a single vote was cast.

[Beguile's Mistress]

Well, now that Marguerite is gone I need to decide on my next victim target. :-)

[Aiden]

The person who typically lead the charge is dead...  >:(

[Remiel]

The person who typically lead the charge is dead...  >:(

Yeah, I know, and it bummed me out.  But being completely impartial, I couldn't do anything about it... =(

I've noticed this sort of thing tends to happen in Mafia games, and not just mine.  People naturally seem to suspect the one who casts the first stone, so to speak.  Obviously, as in Aiden's case, just because someone votes first doesn't mean they're guilty. 

Something for everyone to keep in mind, I guess...

[Rhedyn]

*slinks in*

I'm still here...it's just been a very busy week for me so far, though things should quieten down over the next few days :)

[Aiden]

I tend to create a character in these games, it is what caused a huge division back, for those who are Mafia game veterans. So when I am playing a survivor in a zombie apocalypse, I don't see myself sitting idly by and I think that is what is so great about themes for these games.

Get into character people!

[Ryven]

I am in character.

[Remiel]

I'm surprised Ryven's shotgun works at all, considering how often he keeps drooling in it.  ;D

[Ryven]

I'm surprised Ryven's shotgun works at all, considering how often he keeps drooling in it.  ;D

I can't help the way I sleep!

[Beguile's Mistress]

I'm surprised Ryven's shotgun works at all, considering how often he keeps drooling in it.  ;D

Hmmmm...

What? 

[Esoteric Myobi]

I'm here! And I concur with Remi's musings of Ryven's indestructible shotgun...as well as Beguile's for who to vote for next. :-X

[Marguerite]

I would think the shotgun would be rendered useless from the drool sliding down the barrel.

[Ryven]

I would think the shotgun would be rendered useless from the drool sliding down the barrel.

It's never useless.

[Marguerite]

It's never useless.

It is since you did not get to use it on my zombie head.

-Enjoys the rest of the brains from her victims-

[Ryven]

It is since you did not get to use it on my zombie head.

-Enjoys the rest of the brains from her victims-

There's no reason to waste ammo if I don't need to.

[Marguerite]

Good thing you were too cute to eat one of those nights.

[Ryven]

Good thing you were too cute to eat one of those nights.

It's my only defense mechanism, really.

[Marguerite]

True along with your manly avatars.

[Zelric Miras]

I tend to create a character in these games, it is what caused a huge division back, for those who are Mafia game veterans. So when I am playing a survivor in a zombie apocalypse, I don't see myself sitting idly by and I think that is what is so great about themes for these games.

Get into character people!

Last time I got strongly in character it got me killed...XD

[Remiel]

Last time I got strongly in character it got me killed...XD

You know, I've noticed that too.  It seems like the more "in character" someone gets, the more suspicion they seem to raise in everyone's minds.  I wish that wasn't the case, but it seems to be so. 

Strangely enough, in the very first of these games I participated in, the Wars of the Roses II, that was the game in which I was the biggest ham of all, and yet somehow managed to survive to the end.

The way I look at it is this--even if I'm just a villager, I might as well have some fun with my role.  If that gets me killed? So be it. There will be other games, and maybe if I act like a ham in every one, people will eventually assume it's par for the course for me.

[Aiden]

I think it is hit or miss, in one game I was the village lunatic (and a werewolf) but everyone bought the act. Either way it is quite fun.

I was also the "hometown" hero (and a gangster) in the prohibition era game and managed to get pretty far into the game before getting dispatched, either way it was all good times.

[Remiel]

Announcement: I'm going to give rottenaim one more week before I start looking for her replacement.

[Professor Loki Caprion]

Just wanted to point out something...

The last few people voted for "Rhyden"... Is that a typo of Ryven or Rhedyn?

[Remiel]

Good point!

I'm assuming they meant Rhedyn...?

[Rhedyn]

Just wanted to point out something...

The last few people voted for "Rhyden"... Is that a typo of Ryven or Rhedyn?

Mwhahah...we have merged into one uber fantastic person ;)

[Ryven]

O_O  I'm not sure how I feel about this.  Do I still get to ogle hot men in jockstraps?

[Rhedyn]

Of course!  ;D

[Ryven]

Of course!  ;D

Excellent.  Carry on.

[Ryven]

Goes to show all my votes were shots in the dark.  I was voting for the military veteran at the end. :P

[Remiel]

Well, that about wraps it up.  Thanks for playing everybody!  If you don't mind, I'd like to get some feedback on the game if I could, since I changed the basic formula from the other Mafia games.  Was there anything you particularly liked about it? Was there anything you didn't like?  Be honest -- my goal is to ultimately create a game that everyone enjoys.

[Marguerite]

Mmm, the long voting process which took up to a week made things slow down in my opinion.

[Remiel]

Mmm, the long voting process which took up to a week made things slow down in my opinion.

Well, the problem is that there were weeks in which no one voted until the 4th or 5th day.  I generally like time limits; it makes sure that the game doesn't come to a screeching halt due to the absence of a single person.  I figured that one week was a fair compromise for those who were busy with life, school, projects, etc. and those who weren't.  Do you think I should have shortened it? Like, say, to three days?

[Marguerite]

-Nods-

Three days would have worked especially since the story line could have moved on rather than some of us having voted and just waiting and waiting for the week to end.

[Beguile's Mistress]

Three days might have worked except for the fact that this was during a holiday period, too.  There were a lot of players in this game and more with "special" roles than there usually are, I think.  Running a similar game during a less busy/stressful time with a three day limit for voting might give you a better comparison.

[Remiel]

Hrm. Okay.  And that raises another point--were there too many special roles?  Did that make the game too complex?  Ideally, I'd like to do a game where everybody has a special role, so they feel more involved.  Obviously, that's usually not possible.

[Professor Loki Caprion]

First, thank you, Remi, for not taking the obvious route and making me the Scientist! I spent the game HOPING someone would try to eat me!

As above, I think a shorter voting period would have been good; I was hesitant to cast a vote early, knowing the person I voted for would have plenty of time to turn folks against me.

I liked the large number of special roles, though! It made zombies more hesitant about who to bite!

[Valerian]

Speaking of which, based on the numbers, I'm guessing that the zombies did try to infect at least one of us immune folks?  I'm curious about that.   ;D

[Marguerite]

-Nods-

Si, you are correct about wanting to infect, Val.

[Rhedyn]

I agree that a shorter voting period would have been better...I think it would have encouraged voting and more in character debate as well as movement in the story.

I also liked the large number of special roles. Complexity appeals to me and I enjoyed the game.

[Remiel]

Speaking of which, based on the numbers, I'm guessing that the zombies did try to infect at least one of us immune folks?  I'm curious about that.   ;D

Well, when I get home I'll post a play-by-play, but yes, during the very first night one of the zombies chose to infect Imogen, which presented me with a dilemma.  As the Nurse, she had access to the vaccines with which she could use to cure herself, but strictly speaking, according to the game rules as I set them up, she was powerless to do anything but turn into a zombie.  Unfortunately, it was a situation that I had stupidly not foreseen.

In the end, I gave her the choice to decide what to do, and she chose to cure herself.  Unfortunately, that meant she became vulnerable to zombie attack, and the OTHER zombie chose that moment to make a snack out of her brains.

I find it rather interesting that both Imogen and Moirae chose to take the "good" path rather than allow themselves to transform into zombies.  Ladies, may I ask what prompted those choices?

I think, if I run another game with similar rules, I'll start with the equivalent of 1 zombie and 2 infected.  At first glance, it might seem that the zombies have the edge (since they can, in theory, reproduce exponentially), but in practice, after you factor in the doctor, the nurse, the military vet, the immunes, the survivalist, and the fact that the zombies aren't working together  I think the game is actually weighted toward the survivors.

[Geeklet]

Personally, I think there should have been a longer voting period, as most of what I saw as far as votes just seemed like random shots in the dark, since there was never really much discussion during the day to actually go by and use to try to figure out just who the baddies were.

And as far as me being the Doctor... Except for the final choice, I never used my ability as a means to cure people. I was more using it as a way to try to find out who was a zombie. That's how I found Miss Mar out. I was gonna go to her to prove she was innocent, and after the result I'm like... "oh damn."

If Moirae didn't post she was infected on that last day, I more than likely would have gone after someone else. After I found out Miss Mar was a zombie, I was suspicious of EVERYONE.

[Marguerite]

-Nods to Geeklet-

I was going to nom you but it would have failed if I took out someone who could be a survivalist or figure out who I am.

[Aiden]

There really isn't more need for delaying time, there was hardly any RP ti begin with starting off the game except for Ryven and hit shot gun or Loki and his desk.


I think the job system was fine, but I wish I could have seen it play out a little better since the game seemed rather short.
Also the holidays did not really help all that much.

[Professor Loki Caprion]

There really isn't more need for delaying time, there was hardly any RP ti begin with starting off the game except for Ryven and hit shot gun or Loki and his desk.

Don't forget the fish! The fish was important! If a zombie did manage to attack me, my justification for waking up would have been the fish splashing about to warn me.

Everything had a reason!

[Rhedyn]

Don't forget the fish! The fish was important! If a zombie did manage to attack me, my justification for waking up would have been the fish splashing about to warn me.

*chuckles* Ahhh...I see..very cunning. You know, you really don't see enough fish being used as personal alarms these days.

[Professor Loki Caprion]

Wow... Leo, you had a REALLY GOOD track record at investigating zombies! That's just astounding luck!

[Remiel]

Yeah, Leorobin was right on the money with his instincts.  Beguile's Mistress, too, was eerily on-target in her suspicions.

[Marguerite]

You just love sneaking in on moi.

[Zelric Miras]

Well it seems my instincts were right...this time. I like this type of games we do something similar with a deck of cards during camps. They are good ways to spend the night. Three assassins with one boss, one detective and the rest are civilians waiting to be killed and lynch anyone suspicious. It's simple but it works and it's harder to keep track of who voted on who than on a forum.

Enough about my...let's see, feed back...Hmm I liked the complexity behind the many special roles it add a degree of difficulty for both sides. The voting time was certainly quite long. I think that three days would be enough if everyone is fairly active, otherwise...It might be short. In all, I'd give it another try if the opportunity came up.

Well who doesn't love sneaking on Marg?

[Aiden]

Yeah, Leorobin was right on the money with his instincts.  Beguile's Mistress, too, was eerily on-target in her suspicions.

And that paranoid bastard Aiden who was ignored and eaten!

[Beguile's Mistress]

I didn't think you were paranoid.