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Offline HunterTopic starter

Re: Something that didn't make the news
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2010, 03:55:11 PM »
Then why did you post it?

Exactly as I've already said: I'm interested in what people here think of it.

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Re: Something that didn't make the news
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2010, 04:47:21 PM »
Honestly, I watched about a minute of it before I turned it off.  I like politics like most people like getting a root canal.  I was interested in seeing what people here thought, though.

I did something kind of interesting.  I watched it with the sound off.  Instead of looking for whether his rhetoric was offensive or not, I looked to see if he did anything that would provoke the security guards into their actions. 

What I saw:  At some point, he was clearly asked to leave.  It appeared from body language that it was relatively civil.  A crowd gathered, and things started to go downhill.  Perhaps it was the crowd that was becoming more of an issue?  The cuts and lookaways were annoying in this respect, as it directed things away from the actions of the security guards and the protester.  The one thing I saw that could have been an issue on the part of the protester was when he was being escorted off, and he wrapped his legs around the guard to his right.  This could have been seen as an attempt to trip the man (apparently not too successful, as the guard in question was showing as much difficulty in walking as Mr. Oniya when the little Oni wraps herself around his leg.)  It was after that when the throwdown occurred.  I've seen cops take a man down for resisting arrest - could this have been a similar (though overdone) reaction?

Just tossing this out there.  As far as whether it's legal for someone to get thrown out of a state fair or any other event that they've bought a ticket for: short answer is that yes, they can.  I've seen them escort drunks off the state fairgrounds before, as well as other people who cause a disturbance.  If you're polite about it, they might even refund your ticket price.

Offline Vekseid

Re: Something that didn't make the news
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2010, 04:48:21 PM »
The moment providing the most important context was removed from the video. It says nothing except for the fact that the people posting and promoting it are being openly and willfully deceptive.

Offline outsidethelines

Re: Something that didn't make the news
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2010, 05:57:41 PM »
I went to an anti-war protest here by where I live in DC about... oh, must have been three or four years ago. Some protesters showed up with 'Impeach Bush' signs. They got a little out of hand and were definitely man-handled by the cops, haha. They weren't being violent or threatening. They just got excited, and I suppose the cops were planning to nip anything in the bud before it could grow.

Offline Noelle

Re: Something that didn't make the news
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2010, 11:51:53 PM »
Excitement and disruption spreads fast in crowds. I think Oniya is on to something in that the crowd probably only exacerbated the issue and made it even more vital to remove the man from the grounds. The crowd was not aware that he was carrying a gun and probably didn't even think about the fact that the fairgrounds were private and that the man did not, in fact, have a right to promoting his message there, especially without paying for an exhibit space/booth like the t-shirt vendors he bitched about did -- you see then that the crowd starts questioning the security guards and try to get involved without having the full picture. That's an issue. Misinformation can get out fast and I am almost positive the security guards were trying to cart the man out before any kind of mass attention was drawn to the issue and more unnecessary problems created.

Offline Ojokernegro

Re: Something that didn't make the news
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2010, 12:22:17 AM »
The moment providing the most important context was removed from the video. It says nothing except for the fact that the people posting and promoting it are being openly and willfully deceptive.

That ^

Offline Pumpkin Seeds

Re: Something that didn't make the news
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2010, 09:04:18 PM »
Actually if you listen to the officers speaking into their radios at the first part of the video then you can hear the reason they confronted the man.  They state that he did not pay to enter the event nor did he pay for advertisement rights at the event.  A public ground can be used to host a private event.  People are not simply allowed to do what they want at the event simply because it is on public ground.  If the event hosts paid dues,  performed the proper paperwork and then had other people pay to enter, participate, sell goods or services on the grounds then they can remove the man for not doing the same. 

For instance, many times concerts are held at parks and such.  People are often charged to attend the concert or sell goods there.  A person cannot simply walk into the concert, setup a table and proceed to sell stuff.  Just like they couldn’t go into the concert free of charge and start to protest.  That the man was being belligerent to paying customers only made the matter more clean cut for the police and hosts of the event. 

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Re: Something that didn't make the news
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2010, 10:18:33 PM »
I should have been a little more clear.  I perfectly agree that not paying for his space is a reason to escort him off the property.  What I was looking for was what escalated it to doing a full take-down and sitting on him.