I just point out people in general CHOOSE to drink or CHOOSE to take drugs with exceptions. I have Type I Diabetes and Epilepsy I didn't ask for them, I didn't get them due to lifestyle I have them. Hence the first is a disease or illness.
If one does something that they get into and get addicted its not a disease its moral weakness.
Overeating is more how one was raised and such I give that more leeway but its still NOT a disease in many cases.
Cancer is a disease and that in many cases someone doesn't CHOOSE to get- smokers excluded.
Life's not that black and white. I wish things were as simple as the "Me-Me" conservatives' god wills it to be.
I actually started this on this thread in support of "selective" healthcare, but now I realize how much it disgusts me to be this selfish and judgemental. The real "truth" is that everyone has something to contribute to society, yet, everyone also has a ton of garbage that they add in. If a smoker smokes...eh, fuck it...there's still the chance that she's a good mother, a loving person. She spews a few carcinogens into the air...but she's got 2 great kids who may one day grow up to make a positive difference in the world. How can I judge that person? What criteria would I use? How wide would the scope be? On the flip side, you've got people in pristine health who beat their wives, rape children, commit fraud, or commit a wide variety of other crimes.
I posted somewhere that my mother was a smoker and it disgusted me. It does, truthfully. Her stench gives me nausea at times. But, you know what? My family emigrated here in the late 60s from Cuba. They got here poor. They remained poor...my grandfather was a carpenter, and he wouldn't allow my grandmother to work (ironically, in Cuba, she started working when she was 8 years old as a maid)...my mother and aunt were teenagers at the time. My aunt finished high school, then had to go to work...that's what happens when you're poor. My mother actually dropped out early, but got her GED in night school...again, when you're poor, college is a luxury. They struggled, and actually managed to get some decent jobs. All throughout my life, my mother struggled HARD. My dad left us when I was a baby...to this day, I've never met him, and have no desire to. She decided that I was going to get the best education possible, so she worked extra hours at the bank so that I could attend a private school. When it was time for high school, my aunt and mother both quit their jobs so they could afford a private high school. Because of her sacrifice, I was able to go to college on a free ride. Because they pushed me and sacrificed, I won scholarships. Right now, I'm at the early stages of a successful career, and I owe it all to my mother. But, my mother smokes. Now, I'd really like to know how exactly my mother's to be judged. How would the ultra-religious neo-cons judge my mother?
You people that see things in such a black and white manner, tossing out judgement on others before inspecting your own glass house, I pity us.
And to stay on topic, we should still reward those who stay healthy, but you can't simply axe health care away from people you judge unfit.