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Offline PhantomPistoleer

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #125 on: November 24, 2009, 05:00:15 PM »
It means you're being an asshole for trying to pick your race based on what has the most plusses.   :P  Stick with the damned core races if you don't have a character concept which relies on being outside the core races.  Sorry if I get a little annoyed, but people who pick a completely random race for more plusses annoy the hell out of me.

Urr...

Offline The Great Triangle

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #126 on: November 24, 2009, 05:02:13 PM »
Urr...

Just don't try to take races from books I haven't approved, 'kay?   ;D

Offline Katina Tarask

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #127 on: November 24, 2009, 05:04:30 PM »
Also, Tarrasque, I'm giving you 2,500 xp for helping people make their characters.  :-)
Yay, experience points!
It means you're being an asshole for trying to pick your race based on what has the most plusses.   :P  Stick with the damned core races if you don't have a character concept which relies on being outside the core races.  Sorry if I get a little annoyed, but people who pick a completely random race for more plusses annoy the hell out of me.
In his defense, he was starting with fey-touched to begin with.  The line between fey-touched and half-fey is pretty much whether great-great-great grandma was a fairy or whether grandma was a fairy.  So I'd put it more on the order of choosing between Beguiler, telepath Psion, and enchanter Wizard for your brainomancer.

Though, the whole 'Fiends Folio isn't on the book list,' thing still stands, so the case is rather moot.

Offline The Great Triangle

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #128 on: November 24, 2009, 05:07:47 PM »
Hmm...  I suppose I am being somewhat harsh.  Real life is being a bit of a drag lately.  I do, however, truly hate half races, and the setting hates them to a decent degree too, so I think I can go ahead and deny approval.  Sorry! 

Offline PhantomPistoleer

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #129 on: November 24, 2009, 05:40:10 PM »
Anyhow, you're right, Terra!  That Mind Over Matter (PGFP.41) doesn't work the way I wanted it to.  Insightful Reflexes (CAdvP110) does work the way I want it to.  ::taps chin::  What to do, what to do.

Offline The Great Triangle

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #130 on: November 24, 2009, 05:42:36 PM »
Here's another link to the game's OOC thread, in case anybody missed it and doesn't want to read the thread: http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52661.0] [url]http://elliquiy.com/forums/index.php?topic=52661.0[/url]

Offline Katina Tarask

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #131 on: November 24, 2009, 06:01:49 PM »
How much should we worry about incidentals like how many arrows we have, or bedrolls, or flint and tinder?  And how important is encumbrance?

Pistol: Mind Over Matter almost certainly isn't worth it in this case, but Insightful Reflexes is still worth it.

If you pick up a levels of Bard, you can take Snowflake Wardance (Frostburn), which lets you get charisma to melee attacks for a limited amount of time (9 rounds if you take full ranks in Perform: Dance), at the cost of a Bardic Music attempt (Extra Music and one level of Bard should cut it for the day).  One level of Swashbuckler paired with Capstone Training to get Insightful Strike will get you permanent intelligence to damage.  So, take both of 'em and you should be a decent melee presence.  It costs you a level of Factotum and the Marshal level, but it should be fine.

Offline The Great Triangle

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #132 on: November 24, 2009, 06:18:57 PM »
I'm not going to be particularly anal retentive about supplies.  You will need to indicate if you're carrying strange and expensive gear like flasks of acid, but each character can be assumed to carry or own:

bedroll
lantern + Oil
20 or so tindertwigs
pack of cigarettes or cigars
set of manacles
pen and ink
picture ID
compass
military dress uniform
civilian clothes
knife
birth control
family signet ring
letters of credit for personal and expense accounts
traveling papers for all major countries in Khorvaire, with fake IDs
mirror
chalk
signal whistle

Your character may have other gear, but use that as a guideline for what your character generically has available.  Mass production in Eberron has lowered the price of tindertwigs from 1gp to 1sp, while masterwork weapons cost only 50gp. 

You also have the neccesary tools and kits to perform any skills you have ranks for, so if you're trained in disguise, you own a disguise kit.  This never gives you magical items for free.

Offline Katina Tarask

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #133 on: November 24, 2009, 06:31:56 PM »
Should we assume that any mundane gear not on that list needs to be listed?  Like soap or pen and paper?  Or should we just keep the most basic of basics like that assumed?

I'm guessing how much rope we have on hand actually matters, so I'm probably going to list that.

Offline The Great Triangle

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #134 on: November 24, 2009, 06:39:57 PM »
I thought paper went without saying, and if your character makes a habit of carrying soap around, you should note it.  The amount of rope you have is also important, and I didn't put that on the list of default items.  :-)

Offline PhantomPistoleer

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #135 on: November 24, 2009, 07:21:35 PM »
All right, a quick question just to clarify things for myself:

If I use the Capstone Training feat, would that mean that I am able to access any LVL 2 Class Feature from a class I don't have any levels in?  For example, if I'm a ranger 6, could I use Capstone Training to purchase a class feature from Rogue 2 (i.e., Evasion)?

If I use the Capstone Training Feat and then the Prestige Training stack?  Could I end up getting a LVL 11 Class Feature if I combine the two?

Thanks!

Offline The Great Triangle

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #136 on: November 24, 2009, 07:27:27 PM »
Capstone training stacks with prestige training, so you could theoretically get a level 11 class feature that way.  Your interpretation is odd, but I'll allow you to go and take evasion that way if you'd like it.  Given the low hit points of characters in E6, it seems faily reasonable.

Offline Tagan

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #137 on: November 24, 2009, 08:19:19 PM »
Looks like a NG Mind Blade Style girl for you then!  Thanks, that was very helpful, I'llnpost the character sheet shortly.

Offline PhantomPistoleer

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #138 on: November 24, 2009, 08:31:02 PM »
Capstone training stacks with prestige training, so you could theoretically get a level 11 class feature that way.  Your interpretation is odd, but I'll allow you to go and take evasion that way if you'd like it.  Given the low hit points of characters in E6, it seems faily reasonable.

But that was an example, and it wasn't what I was planning to do.  I had a problem figuring the whole cap thing.  :o

So just to clarify, if I pick up Rogue 6, and then I got the Prestige and then Capstone in the assassin class, I could end up with a L6 character that has 6d6 of sneak attack damage -and- improved uncanny dodge?  On top of that, I could probably get a LVL 2 Rogue + LVL 4 Swashbuckler, pick up the Daring Rogue feat that lets you stack grace and sneak attack, too?

::head explodes::

Offline Katina Tarask

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #139 on: November 24, 2009, 08:35:59 PM »
Mind how many feats and how much XP that would take, Pistol.

Offline PhantomPistoleer

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #140 on: November 24, 2009, 08:40:12 PM »
Wouldn't it just take the following:

15,000 XP for a sixth level character;
5,000 XP to purchase prestige;
5,000 XP to purchase capstone?

o_O

Offline The Great Triangle

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #141 on: November 24, 2009, 09:07:34 PM »
E6 doesn't mean your gimped at a permanent 6th level of power, just that heroes have to start taking other routes to power after hitting the top of human capability.  :-)

Offline PhantomPistoleer

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #142 on: November 24, 2009, 09:31:35 PM »
All right, so I have another question:

If I pick Prestige Training in Invisible Hand and pick up Unfettered Defense, and then pick up Sneak Attack +3d6 via Cap Training, how many points of Intelligence am I applying to my AC with Unfettered Defense?

Offline The Great Triangle

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #143 on: November 24, 2009, 09:33:55 PM »
Phantom, you know what Tarrasque told you about annotating? 

I haven't memorized the entire line, and I can't answer these questions easily without more information. 

Tarrasque can answer it for 250xp though.

Offline PhantomPistoleer

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #144 on: November 24, 2009, 09:38:33 PM »
Ur, sorry.  P46, CWar. :k

Offline The Great Triangle

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #145 on: November 24, 2009, 09:48:02 PM »
You would only apply 1 point of intelligence bonus to your AC.  If you take Class Training (Unfettered Defense) though, you get to apply 3 points of intelligence.  Capstone training only increases your effective class level for the purpose of qualifying for feats.  (mostly for fighters)

Offline Katina Tarask

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #146 on: November 24, 2009, 09:50:31 PM »
Unfettered Defense is a feature unto itself, advanced independently.  By taking Prestige Training to gain Unfettered Defense, you get it as a first-level Invisible Blade.  To advance it any further, you need to take Capstone Training, which advances it by two levels each time.  Advancing Feature B does not advance Feature A; a Paladin who advances her mount via Capstone Training would have to spend another feat to advance Lay on Hands.

Also, I do not believe you can cut straight to the 3d6 sneak attack; that 3d6 sneak attack is, in fact, a +1d6 advancement to your current Sneak Attack ability, same as any other, so you would be using Capstone Training to advance your Sneak Attack by +1d6 each time.

Offline PhantomPistoleer

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #147 on: November 24, 2009, 09:58:55 PM »
Just when you think you're getting somewhere with character creation...

Offline PhantomPistoleer

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #148 on: November 24, 2009, 10:06:14 PM »
You'll have to pick four feats to get all of those bonuses, yes, although you can receive class features from higher levels through the capstone training and ultimate mastery feats.  You can also pick abilities from multiple presige classes if you could qualify for all classes you pick abilities from by 9th level.

All right, here is the source of all of my confusion.

Unfettered Defense is a feature unto itself, advanced independently.  By taking Prestige Training to gain Unfettered Defense, you get it as a first-level Invisible Blade.  To advance it any further, you need to take Capstone Training, which advances it by two levels each time.  Advancing Feature B does not advance Feature A; a Paladin who advances her mount via Capstone Training would have to spend another feat to advance Lay on Hands.

But the thing is, I'm not actually picking Unfettered Defense at LVL 1 Invisible Blade, but at LVL 3 Invisible Blade.  o_o

DISREGARD:

Quote
Prestige Training (General)
Prerequisite: 6th level
Benefit: Choose a prestige class you could qualify for by 9th level.  All special requirements for the class must already be met.  You gain a class feature that presige class gets at 1st level.  For the purposes of the capstone training and the ultimate mastery feats, you are considered to be level 1 in the selected prestige class.
Special: You can gain this feat multiple times, its effects do not stack. Each time you take this feat it applies to another class feature.  You may only take this feat if you could qualify for the prestige classes you have abilities from simultaneously.

I get it now.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2009, 10:11:54 PM by PhantomPistoleer »

Online TheGlyphstone

Re: Looking to get into a 3.5 Eberron game [UN]
« Reply #149 on: November 24, 2009, 11:22:37 PM »
@ Tagan: Something you should consider, and by 'consider', I mean 'get at all costs, including bribing the DM', is the Talashatora feat from Secrets of Sarlona (an Ebberon book). It lets you count Psychic Warrior levels and Monk levels for unarmed damage, AC bonus, and Flurry of Blows. At level 6, that's +1 AC, damage boost from d6 to d8, and reducing the Flurry penalty from -2 to -1. It'll cost 2 feat slots though (Monastic Training - Psychic Warrior and Talashatora) - you would probably want to get rid of either Combat Expertise+Whirlwind Attack or Mobility+Spring Attack - my preference being the latter, because Whirlwind Attack can get quite ugly once you fire off Expansion and become Huge with delicious 15ft reach*, and because Spring Attack deprives you of Flurry, your second-best Monk feature.

*Will require Practiced Manifester, naturally).
« Last Edit: November 25, 2009, 02:00:49 PM by TheGlyphstone »