Provoked is provoked, if someone swings at you, hit or miss, you've got provocation right there. Hamas and Palestine constantly "swing" at Israel and the second Israel beats their ass they whine to the UN.
My statement of provocation concerned "Justified" actions in retaliation. What constitutes "excessive" equaling war ?
Also respecting the UN's descion doesn't mean you don't veto it or don't disagree with it. That's a horrible short sighted way to see things. I can respect your opinions but if I disagree I am going to say something. And the UN garners very little respect from anyone.
I am not saying the USA can't VOTE (ie have their say, make their case to others etc) in the UN. What I meant was they should avoid using VETO (weird those two words share the same letters), and if the end finding (after all votes are tallied) is not the way the US voted... to accept the UN's "democratically" deduced
If the USA chooses stances which frustrates what the UN deems as aiding the "Uniting of Nations", respect is not deserved in that forum.
I don't think ANYONE really believes that any party is "good" from their own values of what good is 0 enough to justify something "very bad". Historically in any place mankind can go back and say "oh look that land which was rightfully ours ... wasn't really at this point we thought /did something selfish and assumed ownership"
If you give animals rights ... a bunch of cave men clearing a place of wolves so they can make a few huts and start a village because their wifes are pregnant or whatever is not "fair".
To them "peace" = I dont have to worry about wolves killing my family because I killed them all. My familiy's unmoderated dreams are more important than the dreams of that wolf pack, to give the best environment for my families dreams - wolves must be gone, poisonous snakes gone, spiders gone ... Oh I need to enslave some horses and some cows or goats perhaps. Once I do that I "own". I only "own" though to be free - free of having to moderate my wants to be in synergy with what else is here. For that to happen I need to be dominate - this ideal dream is a requirement. Mine. Me. This feels right.
Claiming that is the way of things is just dismissing its releavence to those that see those actions as a choice of principals that can change into something better which is still workable.
We don't live in harmony with anyone or anything, we often dont get along with our own family or lovers or even ourselves. Every emotion we have had feels justified to ourselves at the time
while someone else looking on may "rightly" think "your insane" - a true view of what the observer believes is what that person should be managing regarding their own best interest.
I think everyone is sick to death of hearing about the middle east in the news our own bordem of the topic forms hard principals as the minds excuse not to think about it anymore.
A lot of my understanding of history is wrong, a lot of historians understanding of history is wrong. A lot of an individualks understanding of something private within them that justifies certain extreme feelings may not be based on "objective" reality.
nothing is "right or wrong", justified or otherwise from an "objective perspective".
Something that is objective has no vested interest in an event's interpretation of meaning, likely the only objective view is one that is not active and does not care.
Debating what is "right" ,, for america's involvement here is more trying to work out what america wants, expects and the conditions where these wants are revisited.