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Offline OldSchoolGamer

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2009, 06:05:45 PM »
http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

Specifically, they say they are going to remove the quote from Jesus, "Forgive them, Father, they know not what they do."

They also say they are going to remove socialist parables by Jesus and replace them with free market parables, so as to prove that Jesus was not a socialist but rather a capitalist.
http://conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible

In a way, I'm glad this is happening.  Perhaps this will wake up Americans and get them to realize that conservative does not equal Christian.  When the conservatives have to alter the words of Christ to fit their narrow agenda, that right there should speak volumes.

Offline All Powerful Nateboi

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2009, 06:59:47 PM »

“If I cannot move heaven, then I will raise hell.”

Damn, that’s good. *writes that one down*


‘Note the dick quotes’…exactly what I was talking about it. If you can sit through the whole thing he makes some very solid points I am in complete agreement with.

I must say, however, a beer-sodden shirtless rant…dude put on a T-shirt or something. Had to put this one on audio only in the background as I surfed another page…hairy man booby never going to help sell your point.   :-X

Pssht. You obviously have never seen *real* hairy man booby!

Umm...Hi! I was told I got advertised here, and my ego wouldn't let me *not* come and see.

Yeah. THe idea of them *re-writing* the bible...ugh. Let's just say I agree with everything in that video. Including the swearing :P

Offline Serephino

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2009, 08:19:35 PM »
One of my best friends has his opinions on this matter as well, and personally, I agree with him.. just not with so much swearing :P
(Warning: Contains ranting, raving, swearing, consumption of alcohol, and hairy man-nipples)

I like your friend.  Couldn't have said it better myself.

Offline Serephino

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2009, 08:49:04 PM »
Yeah, gotta love that in the Bible it says it's a sin to change it, but it's been changed how many times?  In my opinion, it's all a bunch of made up crap created to control the masses anyway.  The reason peasants were illiterate in the Dark Ages was because it's easier to control the un-educated.  That is also why is was practically a crime to teach slaves to read when slavery existed.

Though sadly it still seems that the masses are pretty easy to control.  I honestly hope this will wake some people up, but I'm not going to be all that optimistic. 

Offline Kate

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2009, 09:46:32 PM »
Well if it was restored to the original words then the meaning would be lost
as language meaning evolves.

If you want to retain meaning you have to change the language, if you want to leave the language the same, you have to let go of meaning being retained.

You can not optimise a changlessness for something that is philosophical on all fronts.

Offline OldSchoolGamer

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #30 on: October 13, 2009, 10:08:13 PM »
Yeah, gotta love that in the Bible it says it's a sin to change it, but it's been changed how many times?  In my opinion, it's all a bunch of made up crap created to control the masses anyway.  The reason peasants were illiterate in the Dark Ages was because it's easier to control the un-educated.  That is also why is was practically a crime to teach slaves to read when slavery existed.

In all fairness, I don't think the actions of the Catholic Church as it existed in the Middle Ages should be held as a reason to bash the Bible.  Much of the corruption in the Church at that time was against Scripture. 

Can you cite a passage of Scripture forbidding masters from teaching slaves how to read?  Counseling slave-holders not to teach slaves to read?  If not, then your (justifiable) umbrage at the practices of slaveholders keeping slaves illiterate should be directed elsewhere (like at those age-old vices of greed and avarice).

As far as the Bible being changed, you have a point...but you've got to go further back, to the time when the early Church decided to omit certain books and passages from what we now know as the Bible.

Offline Kate

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #31 on: October 13, 2009, 10:37:53 PM »
Wouldn't it be cool if a alien race contacted earth and said

"Hey dudes, we have been watching you for 5000 year's ... and we are sort of bored now so will move on to other projects but before we go ... here take this it is an accurate recording of all of your history during that time ... so what budda did and what he didnt do, what JC did and what he didn't do ... mis-quotes ... cover ups, conspiracies, lost treasures ra ra ra ....

all yours ... We thought of messing with it - gosh it was tempting but then we realised the truth would be more staggeringly amazing than anything we could do with it.

Oh by the way ... the one thing we got from this was how damn good cooks the french, italians and pretty much on average all of the eastern countries are ... oh setting up restaurants over the universe with some of their recopies is going to be fun as hell.

the rest of you give up and stop trying, just copy what they do... well this comment is mainly aimed at the american's, australian's and the English really ... roasts are so so I suppose but that black pudding stuff ... errgh ...

Oh and take this very seriously as we almost leveled your entire world after tasting it once,
just out of fear the fad would somehow catch on, some other advanced races wouldn't hesitate to follow through with such impluses, wars have been triggered over less ...

So um there you go and um .... cya weirdo's ..."


Offline All Powerful Nateboi

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #32 on: October 13, 2009, 11:47:00 PM »


Thanks! Feel free to watch my other videos! (Most of them I have a shirt on in :P)

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Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2009, 10:17:56 AM »
Quote from: Kate
but if any really do jump down your throat saying all christianity = all things bad

Remind them of one thing most dont know....

In the dark ages the ONLY people in the west who were literate were those of priestly order - (they knew latin and a snippets of other stuff)

Without THEM translating the Rosetta stone / ancient greek tablets to rediscover western philosophy and bring on the Renaissance wouldn't have been possible. 

    The Renaissance, I was taught, was pretty much overlapping with the witch hunts in rotating quarters.  Very scientific departments of demonology and all that.  That is not to say the West has not has its technical and philosophical gems as well...  But really, we all think our more culturally celebrated and familiar points are the best ones...  Surely no one else could possibly, ever have anything like them and make something of them if the history were just a wee bit different (such as if Christianity hadn't inspired those lovely, "advanced" nation-states all scurrying around the world conquering and converting)... 

I'm not sure it's really such a strong argument.  This is more in the line of, "But you wouldn't feel so free and comfy now if our cultural forefathers hadn't invested us in all this horror, abuse and alienation."  Again, there are a few gems...  But were those really the only choices? 

     Not that I would limit it to what happened before Christianity crashed through everyone else's space...  But at least in East Asia, they had serious literacy among more elites (and "petit" elites - think women!).  Hey, many of them even commonly took baths.



Offline RubySlippers

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2009, 10:41:49 AM »
Is Christianity the problem after all if one looks at the message and life of Jesus to what the churches are like ,not all but many, is that what He wanted?

I look at the Vatican, megachurches, Mormon temples and think is this the best and most honorable way to honor God. I argue that the vast wealth wasted over the two thousand years instead of doing good works with that money.

Offline Kate

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2009, 11:12:09 AM »
Ruby -

Other faiths and teachings hold peace and being one with god also - those that pre-date Christianity. The dominate eastern religions I know of are highly spiritual debatably more than Christianity.

But after a certain level of spiritual awareness of any faith that does instill similar values ... similar abilities come ... Saint Francis had "miraculous" abilities concerning animals - they would flock to him and just want to be with him, I'm pretty sure if you met Buddha when he was at his height his aura of tranquility and peace would be literally breathtaking i personally beleive at a similar caliber to any of the "greats" - likely there are many more I don't know of from different cultures. Which ones are "greater" really is academic when we are striving to have a fraction of either of their inner audiences, personally I would benefit from any of them most likely. If JC and budda met likely they wouldn't need to convince the other of anything they would sense the other has already "got it" and sees the perfection in their current state and that of one that is needless.

Kylie - concerning the west...

I only meant this from western history ... the "current West" owes many of its techniques from the east and middle east (medicine, a lot of mathmatics, the printing press, a lot of astronomy let alone gun power (Im not sure about alchemy ... but its likely ) (could have gained a lot of astromony also from the Astecs if the west bothered trying to learn the culture before killing it off ... )...

Generally up until only recently the East was waaay head of the west on most things but the East never really were that interested in conquering the west they were busy with their own issues and frankly were happy enough doing some trade with the middle east but pretty much from a western perspective didnt really exist... they were "there" ... but no real overlap of culture until marco-polo.

The Rosetta stone enabled several languages to be translated - opening more and more languages previously all "greek"... then knowledge for its own sake had really quick returns.

Also the languages of the east are very different to the romantic languges, syntax, structure etc ... is SOO different, different use of tense, also pitch sensitive meaning.... to the western solar learning another languages that wasn't eastern had faster returns - however learning Chinese or Cantonese or Mandarin or something would have given them super-boons once they got over it... but finding a teacher that knew your language and one of them would be close to impossible. Learning an eastern languages would take longer.

(nothing existed that was in a western and an eastern language at the same time)

Western society fell after rome collapsed as their wasn't anything literate that conquered it... after which the dark ages reigned ( and only monestaries separate to the ruling warlords retained anything literate at all ... that of latin)

Offline The Overlord

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2009, 12:13:09 PM »
Pssht. You obviously have never seen *real* hairy man booby!

Umm...Hi! I was told I got advertised here, and my ego wouldn't let me *not* come and see.

Yeah. THe idea of them *re-writing* the bible...ugh. Let's just say I agree with everything in that video. Including the swearing :P

Yeah, hm, and I don’t really need to. I may be biased though; I’m a relatively hairless guy. ::)


Anyhoo, my real point is it might distract some of your intended audience as just some crazy drunk guy on the web. Not sure if any of bastards you’re ranting at are among that intended audience; I have a feeling you’d be falling on deaf ears. Those types like to see it as they see it.



Setting all politics and theology aside for a moment, I am firmly of the conviction there is a fundamental core difference in the mindset and pattern of thinking between hardcore conservatives and most of the rest of us, not just liberals perhaps.

And I do want to stress I am referring here to the hardcore conservative bible-thumper you’re directing this video at, not all conservatives across the board: I must reiterate this point because a few members of this forum like to accuse me of making general ‘blanket statements’…you know who you are.


I have an overtly Christian aunt in Texas, and a fiery non-cessationist cousin in Arizona, so I don’t even have to come here if I want a good fiery debate. They are a good example on how the brains are wired differently, if not on a nature level as well certainly on a nurture level. It comes down to how far into the hard mentality you are, on a scale of one to ten. This hardcore mindset is most comfortable in the herd. The sort of ideas they subscribe to are what they want to see in the world around them. To paraphrase the late Dr. Sagan, they’re after what makes them feel good, and not after things as they really are. It comes down to you being happy being told how things are, as opposed to skeptically interrogating the universe for the answers.

At risk of sounding a tad smug, I believe it’s a generally fragile psyche, very resistant to change and new concepts. What science tells us, that we do not occupy a privileged position as a species or on the star charts, that some loving father-figure is not going save our asses if we irrevocably fuck our planet up…well, it’s a big, scary universe for some folks. And it’s a universe painted in subtle shades of grey, not the more comfortable and simplistic black & white these types want. Better to write the books so it fits what you’d like to see.


Offline Cythieus

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2009, 12:22:50 PM »
I kind of see this as being like when George Lucas digitally enhanced and edited Star Wars to "make it better" and the shit storm that produced.

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Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2009, 12:28:29 PM »
*coughs* Han shot first. *coughs*

I find myself agreeing with Ty here.  When the ultraconservatives (let's be honest here, these guys have to be in the long tail of the distribution) feel they have to re-write the Word of God - which is what 90% of them consider the Bible to be - in order to win, then they have already lost the argument.

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Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2009, 12:34:00 PM »
When the ultraconservatives (let's be honest here, these guys have to be in the long tail of the distribution) feel they have to re-write the Word of God - which is what 90% of them consider the Bible to be - in order to win, then they have already lost the argument.

Well said.  I think that's what the main issue of this was, not the whole debate about whether Christian belief is consistent with the Bible.  Most Christians I know are reasonable, likable people who have their beliefs, and I respect that.  I may disagree with them on some points, but that's what makes my relationships with them fun.

The issue is when people are clearly trying to change the Bible to suit their political agenda.  Every crackpot thinks God is on their side... have any of us ever considered that, just maybe, God thinks we're all idiots for arguing over stuff like this?

Offline The Overlord

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2009, 12:50:24 PM »
  Every crackpot thinks God is on their side... have any of us ever considered that, just maybe, God thinks we're all idiots for arguing over stuff like this?

If god is a conscious and rational being…yes. And if god is there, then he must be benevolent and not the vengeful god of the Old Testament, otherwise I’d understand a 100-mile wide asteroid suddenly appearing above the planet and taking us all out for this stupidity.


Where it gets its absolute worst is where everyone believes god is on their side, and he has given them license to kill, perhaps even be rewarded for it.

On one hand I suppose I’d be inclined to pity the 9/11 hijackers for this failing, but I don’t, as their crimes are utterly unforgivable. Suffice that they went down into the dark as the worst kind of evolutionary dead-end.

Offline Chea

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2009, 01:43:50 PM »
Conservapedia is a huge heap of shit. Theists and their foolish religious beliefs are doomed to rot in their idiocy. If this omnipotent god existed wouldn't he've created a perfect bible that is unalterable? I mean that'd be the logical "perfect" solution to prevent this, this is yet another piece of evidence disproving theism.

Offline Cythieus

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2009, 01:57:50 PM »
Conservapedia is a huge heap of shit. Theists and their foolish religious beliefs are doomed to rot in their idiocy. If this omnipotent god existed wouldn't he've created a perfect bible that is unalterable? I mean that'd be the logical "perfect" solution to prevent this, this is yet another piece of evidence disproving theism.

This isn't evidence of anything, and I find it pretty offensive to be called an idiot simply because I believe in something contrary to what you do. One can't disprove God simply because people are doing bad things because that's the nature of people and its just how some people are. You can't speculate on the nature of God or his or her true intentions so to say he or she wouldn't want to do this or not do that is pretty much you shooting in the dark.

Moreover, if there is a god that's not omnipotent or a set of gods, you're still wrong because Theism includes all of these terms. Theism doesn't equal Christians/Jews/Muslims only. It includes any belief that has to do with a higher being that could be considered a god or any set of beings that could be considered gods.

In fact there's so much wrong in just the four sentences you wrote that it seems you don't understand the terms your using or what they mean. Omnipotent doesn't mean they have to subscribe to your view of logic because logic in and of itself is a Human concept and the concepts of a god have the potential to have existed before anything else.

Offline All Powerful Nateboi

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2009, 02:15:04 PM »
This isn't evidence of anything, and I find it pretty offensive to be called an idiot simply because I believe in something contrary to what you do. One can't disprove God simply because people are doing bad things because that's the nature of people and its just how some people are. You can't speculate on the nature of God or his or her true intentions so to say he or she wouldn't want to do this or not do that is pretty much you shooting in the dark.

Moreover, if there is a god that's not omnipotent or a set of gods, you're still wrong because Theism includes all of these terms. Theism doesn't equal Christians/Jews/Muslims only. It includes any belief that has to do with a higher being that could be considered a god or any set of beings that could be considered gods.

In fact there's so much wrong in just the four sentences you wrote that it seems you don't understand the terms your using or what they mean. Omnipotent doesn't mean they have to subscribe to your view of logic because logic in and of itself is a Human concept and the concepts of a god have the potential to have existed before anything else.

Well, I think we can at least all agree that Conservapedia is a huge heap of shit.

Offline Cythieus

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2009, 02:38:34 PM »
Well, I think we can at least all agree that Conservapedia is a huge heap of shit.

I wouldn't debate that. Anyone wanting to alter old books to fit their political whims deserves a special place in Hell.

Offline Chea

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2009, 02:46:21 PM »
You raise reasonable counterarguements Odin, but it so happens that I'm a linguist and have vast knowledge about words of the English superstradum which are of Greek and Latin origin. As my standard procedure I personally don't use words whose definition I haven't mastered. The term omnipotent can be easily separated into its two rootwords, whom are both Latin. Omni meaning "all", and Potent meaning "powerful" ultimately deriving from potens "power". The word Theism can likewise may be analyzed in the same manner, The from the Greek root Theos meaning God (Theos is a cognate to the Latin word Deus) and Ism a Greek suffix which denotes an idea, doctrine, or belief.

Logic is the mode d'emploi of reality not a Human construct. It seems I must explain my angle in greater detail. I don't believe Theism in any form is idiotic meerly because it's an ideology differing from my own, I'd never be so shallow! My reasoning against Theism comes from years of thinking the world over, the Human Contidition, the Cosmos, and quite simply common sense! Caveat Creditor, engaging in conversation with me will make you question your faith in your "God". There is not a Theist theory that I nor any other Atheist can't disprove, though you're welcome to try me any time. Infact I'd enjoy debating with you.

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Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2009, 02:55:24 PM »
I find it questionable to call Theists idiots when, quite frankly, there are idiot atheists too.  Glass houses and all that... In any case, believe what you wish, I know what I believe, and I'll defend my beliefs.

Offline Cythieus

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2009, 02:58:32 PM »
You raise reasonable counterarguements Odin, but it so happens that I'm a linguist and have vast knowledge about words of the English superstradum which are of Greek and Latin origin. As my standard procedure I personally don't use words whose definition I haven't mastered. The term omnipotent can be easily separated into its two rootwords, whom are both Latin. Omni meaning "all", and Potent meaning "powerful" ultimately deriving from potens "power". The word Theism can likewise may be analyzed in the same manner, The from the Greek root Theos meaning God (Theos is a cognate to the Latin word Deus) and Ism a Greek suffix which denotes an idea, doctrine, or belief.

Logic is the mode d'emploi of reality not a Human construct. It seems I must explain my angle in greater detail. I don't believe Theism in any form is idiotic meerly because it's an ideology differing from my own, I'd never be so shallow! My reasoning against Theism comes from years of thinking the world over, the Human Contidition, the Cosmos, and quite simply common sense! Caveat Creditor, engaging in conversation with me will make you question your faith in your "God". There is not a Theist theory that I nor any other Atheist can't disprove, though you're welcome to try me any time. Infact I'd enjoy debating with you.

As I said before, the assumption that we are in the place to question a god's logic with our own limited understanding shows a lack of understanding for what a true all powerful god would mean.

Offline All Powerful Nateboi

Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2009, 03:13:28 PM »
As I said before, the assumption that we are in the place to question a god's logic with our own limited understanding shows a lack of understanding for what a true all powerful god would mean.

This, pretty much.

Plus, I've never heard any argument that counters the idea of a neutral divine being who's ominpotent and created everything, but is totally cool with just sitting back and watching things happen. Well, I've heard the "Then why bother worshipping it!?" argument, but that's kind of like asking why do X thing that has no discernable benefit. Because I feel like it.


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Re: The Conservative Bible
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2009, 03:17:25 PM »
I find it questionable to call Theists idiots when, quite frankly, there are idiot atheists too.  Glass houses and all that... In any case, believe what you wish, I know what I believe, and I'll defend my beliefs.

Huh.......Glass Houses? Wut?


As I said before, the assumption that we are in the place to question a god's logic with our own limited understanding shows a lack of understanding for what a true all powerful god would mean.

No offense but I don't believe in your omnipotent deity, so I have nothing to fear. Human progress comes from our inherent curiousity, if we continue to allow the mind numbing doctrines of theistic belief systems to halt our development, humankind will become desolate and backward.