Author Topic: Fracturing the Shoutbox (Read 7107 times)

Will · « **Reply #75 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:21:31 AM »

Then the internet may not be for you. *laughs*

Kip · « **Reply #76 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:23:04 AM »

Quote from: Eden on July 28, 2009, 10:19:55 AM

*shrugs* Because I don't want to make friends with a lie, as cheesy as that sounds.

I can understand Eden's position here...

I don't mind a good mix of rp and reality when socialising but I do enjoy the socialising - getting to know the writers as seperate from their characters. I enjoy that side of things...

Each to their own though.... it's a personal choice to limit that side of things and I can appreciate that even if I choose not to myself.

Dim Hon · « **Reply #77 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:23:23 AM »

Quote from: Will1984 on July 28, 2009, 10:21:31 AM

Then the internet may not be for you. *laughs*

*rolls eyes*

Predictable reply. I'm just saying I want a place to relax that is non-game.

Oniya · « **Reply #78 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:25:18 AM »

Here's a radical idea - why not simply have two. No special privileges, no special restrictions, just 'Lounge 1' and 'Lounge 2'. If you don't want to do 'casual RP', and something like that looks like it's happening in Lounge 1, go over to Lounge 2. If Lounge 1 is engaged in some off-beat conversation and you'd rather chat about something less serious, hop into Lounge 2. Or vice-versa.

Haibane · « **Reply #79 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:27:39 AM »

Quote from: Eden on July 28, 2009, 10:09:46 AM

Furries are RP characters. I want to talk to the writers, not their characters.

This is what Greenthorn is saying, I think, the characters *are* their personas. 24/7 in some cases. They are not role-playing, they are this way all the time. By meeting 'the furry' you are meeting them. If that's not ideal for you then don't engage them in conversation.

Dim Hon · « **Reply #80 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:28:45 AM »

Persona and character have exactly the same meaning.

Haibane · « **Reply #81 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:30:39 AM »

Quote from: Eden on July 28, 2009, 10:28:45 AM

Persona and character have exactly the same meaning.

I edited my post to try and make it clearer.

Another way of looking at it: I am Haibane, a 24 year old English woman. Why should I change out of that persona and behave differently just because someone wants a SB where you have to play a character.

Karma · « **Reply #82 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:31:24 AM »

Eden, dear... where does that concept stop? If you want to get past the "lie," then you might as well not talk to anyone online that doesn't act exactly the same way as they would in person... which is everyone.

Will · « **Reply #83 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:32:00 AM »

Quote from: Haibane on July 28, 2009, 10:27:39 AM

This is what Greenthorn is saying, I think, the characters *are* their personas. 24/7 in some cases.

Exactly, and keeping them out of a certain part of the site can't do anything but cause hurt feelings and resentment. No Furries Allowed? Wow. Harsh. They're not hurting anyone.

Kip · « **Reply #84 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:35:10 AM »

Quote from: Karma on July 28, 2009, 10:31:24 AM

Eden, dear... where does that concept stop? If you want to get past the "lie," then you might as well not talk to anyone online that doesn't act exactly the same way as they would in person... which is everyone.

I don't think thats quite the point - How I interact here is definitely different to how I would face to face but I'm not a character in the SB here... I do think that there is a distinct difference between character and the writer which is what I think Eden is trying to say.

Having said that, I don't think that splitting the SB to try and distinguish between character and writer is sustainable either....

Dim Hon · « **Reply #85 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:40:46 AM »

Quote from: Haibane on July 28, 2009, 10:27:39 AM

This is what Greenthorn is saying, I think, the characters *are* their personas. 24/7 in some cases. They are not role-playing, they are this way all the time. By meeting 'the furry' you are meeting them. If that's not ideal for you then don't engage them in conversation.

It's very difficult not to engage in a conversation with them when they persistently ignore personal space.

I have never been pounce/licked/tickled by a stranger in the SB who wasn't sporting a set of ears. They think it's okay to do it because they are playing their characters and assume they are cute and welcome.

Taken from a PM I sent to GT, I just want a place where I can turn off. Having someone pretend to be a cat in a place where I'm trying to disassociate with the characters in my mind is counter-productive. I do not want to be around people dominated by their characters while I'm trying to reassert my own personality after an intense writing session.

Quote from: Karma on July 28, 2009, 10:31:24 AM

Eden, dear... where does that concept stop? If you want to get past the "lie," then you might as well not talk to anyone online that doesn't act exactly the same way as they would in person... which is everyone.

There are characters and there are the people who create them. I know I am not the person I appear to be online, I am not so stupid as to think any of you are as you are here. But like Kip says, it is not what I mean.

Edit - If the SB isn't the place to get some non-game relaxation, can there be? I do not want to make anyone feel victimised, but I don't think I should have to go off the forum to find a space to unwind, that is totally deprived of any RP-related discussion.

Will · « **Reply #86 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:46:53 AM »

If a member consistently ignores personal space, there are ways of dealing with that. I also disagree that only furries are responsible for that behavior, and there have definitely been non-furries that took IC interaction into OOC spaces.

Dim Hon · « **Reply #87 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:48:52 AM »

Quote from: Will1984 on July 28, 2009, 10:46:53 AM

If a member consistently ignores personal space, there are ways of dealing with that. I also disagree that only furries are responsible for that behavior, and there have definitely been non-furries that took IC interaction into OOC spaces.

Which is why I'm asking for a non-game area.

Will · « **Reply #88 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:51:51 AM »

Quote from: Eden on July 28, 2009, 10:48:52 AM

Which is why I'm asking for a non-game area.

Where furries would be forcibly excluded?

Greenthorn · « **Reply #89 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:53:16 AM »

Create a thread then?

Fracturing the SB to disclude a group isn't very...nice.

Dim Hon · « **Reply #90 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:56:46 AM »

Quote from: Will1984 on July 28, 2009, 10:51:51 AM

Where furries would be forcibly excluded?

No, where characters would be left on the coat hook. It wouldn't disclude anyone, just not include characters.

Valerian · « **Reply #91 on:** July 28, 2009, 10:58:12 AM »

Okay, everyone take a breath.

Any fracturing of the SB will end up excluding people from some parts of the SB, if only because those parts will be aimed at certain types of discussions, or light RP (including furry personas), or something else that simply doesn't interest everyone.

This discussion is entirely theoretical at this point anyway. Everyone remember that, please, and take a step back.

Karma · « **Reply #92 on:** July 28, 2009, 11:00:28 AM »

I think a light RP shoutbox would be kinda neat. I wouldn't ever use it, probably, but I like the idea.

Scott · « **Reply #93 on:** July 28, 2009, 11:42:58 AM »

* Scott Hugs Everybody... :)

Dakota · « **Reply #94 on:** July 28, 2009, 12:10:52 PM »

Well this is easily solved, if you wan't to talk to ME call me Jay, it's not quite my real name but it suits a purpose, and its the name i give out online. Problem solved ><

Chevalier des Poissons · « **Reply #95 on:** July 28, 2009, 04:36:20 PM »

Let me pause the thred for a moment.

Would anyone mind telling me what is this HB people referred to in the page 3?

Oniya · « **Reply #96 on:** July 28, 2009, 04:47:36 PM »

That would be the 'HotBox', found in Adult Socializing.

Haibane · « **Reply #97 on:** July 28, 2009, 05:24:26 PM »

Quote from: Eden on July 28, 2009, 10:40:46 AM

It's very difficult not to engage in a conversation with them when they persistently ignore personal space.

This sounds like you have an issue with an individual, in which case the solution is to PM them and politely advise them of the issues you have regarding personal space. If they ignore a polite request then it's time to advise a deity about their conduct.

This does not sound like an issue with furries per se but with individuals, in which case that is something for you to address and not an issue for the SB to be configured to.

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I have never been pounce/licked/tickled by a stranger in the SB who wasn't sporting a set of ears. They think it's okay to do it because they are playing their characters and assume they are cute and welcome.

The solution is easy. Tell them that behaviour is not welcome.

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Having someone pretend to be a cat in a place where I'm trying to disassociate with the characters in my mind is counter-productive.

I don't think you are understanding what some of us are saying. This person may not be *pretending* to be a cat. They may actually see themselves as a cat. What they are doing *is* their usual behaviour. Your stance could be likened to telling a gay person to stop playing at being gay and be their normal heterosexual self for a while.

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I do not want to be around people dominated by their characters while I'm trying to reassert my own personality after an intense writing session.

Once again, who says they are dominated by 'characters'? If people are winding you up in the SB you just have to ask them to stop.

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Edit - If the SB isn't the place to get some non-game relaxation, can there be?

Chat room?

Dim Hon · « **Reply #98 on:** July 29, 2009, 06:28:25 AM »

Quote from: Haibane on July 28, 2009, 05:24:26 PM

I don't think you are understanding what some of us are saying. This person may not be *pretending* to be a cat. They may actually see themselves as a cat. What they are doing *is* their usual behaviour. Your stance could be likened to telling a gay person to stop playing at being gay and be their normal heterosexual self for a while.

The fact they can communicate using a computer proves they are not cats.

Trieste · « **Reply #99 on:** July 29, 2009, 06:36:50 AM »

Garfield noooooooo!

He told me he was Garfield. :(