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Author Topic: It's time for a third gender option.  (Read 5468 times)

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Offline Greenthorn

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2009, 10:40:46 AM »
Err and why not just do grouping...

lords and ladies in ONE group

dames/knights in another

I mean mentors are ONE group despite gender...and aren't mentors supposed to be reg members who help?  So ummm yeah..

(excuse any strangeness in the above...Today is day one without a cigarette for me arghhhhhh)

For clarity...this would need to be done with the symbols for the reason Bliss stated (about people only wanting to write with a certain gender..although I think those people are probably a minority)

Offline VekseidTopic starter

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2009, 10:42:04 AM »
The thing is, gender association is still a membergroup assignment. I would prefer to avoid creating more work for my staff...

Offline Valerian

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2009, 10:42:50 AM »
Okay, shotgun approach -- let me just rattle off a few potentially useful words.

Peer
Esquire (traditionally male, but now used so seldom that I don't think that matters)
Chancellor
Chamberlain
Castellan
Honorable (a gender-neutral title used in England for the son or daughter of a baron or viscount)
Don (in English, at least, was once exclusively for male scholars but now isn't so rigidly used)
Fellow (again, once exclusively male but now more gender-neutral, as in Fellow of the College of Surgeons, etc.)

Offline Bliss

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2009, 10:46:59 AM »
Err and why not just do grouping...

lords and ladies in ONE group

dames/knights in another

I mean mentors are ONE group despite gender...and aren't mentors supposed to be reg members who help?  So ummm yeah..

(excuse any strangeness in the above...Today is day one without a cigarette for me arghhhhhh)

Grouping the levels like that would defeat the purpose of having an easy, at-a-glance way of knowing another member's gender; the Mentor level has a single designation because it's one of the places in which gender doesn't actually play into the function of the role in any way.


All of this is moot anyway, as the point under discussion is NOT to create a huge upheaval in extant, working, established systems in designations - it's JUST to come up with a name, for the existing levels, to apply to a third gender grouping. If you have any suggestions for that, GreenThorn, I'd love to see them. You know lots of great words. :)

Edit for Valpost: Oooh, I like Peer.

Offline Bliss

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2009, 10:47:57 AM »
AUGH, I don't know why I didn't think of this before! I'm in the SCA, and there's a level for people who have made a certain achievement, be they male or female, called LAUREL! What think you, kind gentles? ;)

Offline Xillen

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2009, 10:54:07 AM »
Laurel sounds like a name to me. It doesn't have any other meaning to me, but I could blame my limited english.

Call them Peer, and everyone will blame them for all their IRC disconnects! :P

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Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #31 on: May 29, 2009, 10:56:37 AM »
Laird? Though generally male, I believe you can have females who hold title to a Lairdship.

Offline Valerian

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #32 on: May 29, 2009, 10:57:48 AM »
The ancient Greeks traditionally gave a wreath of laurel leaves to those who had just won some distinction.  But yes, it is also a female first name.

On the other hand, an IRC reference in regards to peer flies right over my head...

Offline VekseidTopic starter

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #33 on: May 29, 2009, 10:58:25 AM »
Ultimately I'm going to run the list by the people involved, of course. Men and women aren't going to have the final say : )

Offline Bliss

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #34 on: May 29, 2009, 11:01:14 AM »
The ancient Greeks traditionally gave a wreath of laurel leaves to those who had just won some distinction.  But yes, it is also a female first name.

On the other hand, an IRC reference in regards to peer flies right over my head...

*bolds above* This is the root of the word as I have seen it used in the SCA, and in which I intended it, although I am aware that it is also a female first name in some places.

Just chalk it up as a suggestion for the folks concerned to consider, please, Vek. :)

Offline Xillen

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2009, 11:06:48 AM »
On the other hand, an IRC reference in regards to peer flies right over my head...

Pretty often on IRC, if a user is disconnected (so not when someone quits himself), it will list something like:

* Xillen Quit (Connection reset by Peer)

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Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2009, 11:14:46 AM »
... I would extend a laurel, and a hearty handshake to our new ...

Laird is very cool, but I don't know that it wouldn't conjure up visions of mis-spelled "lord".

Offline Omniferious

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2009, 11:18:55 AM »
Hey, how about Liege? It's the gender-neutral for lord and starts with an L.

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Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #38 on: May 29, 2009, 11:19:22 AM »
What about the word Ling ?  We have NING for a new person, and it's gender neutral....would Ling work somewhat the same? 

Just a thought....

Offline VekseidTopic starter

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #39 on: May 29, 2009, 11:20:51 AM »
Hey, how about Liege? It's the gender-neutral for lord and starts with an L.

Hah, I think you win.

Offline Bliss

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #40 on: May 29, 2009, 11:22:03 AM »
Hah, I think you win.

Get that dude a gold star!

Offline Xillen

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2009, 11:28:18 AM »
Indeed, that sounds like a perfect match :)

So what's the Knight/Dame variant gonna be?

Offline Bliss

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #42 on: May 29, 2009, 11:33:28 AM »
I liked Justicar for that, since Vek said he liked the warrior-flavor for the donation-level membership badges.

Offline VekseidTopic starter

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #43 on: May 29, 2009, 11:35:43 AM »
Guardian, Sentinel, Preliator, Champion, hrm.

Justiciar implies someone who can enforce rules, cool as it sounds >_>

Offline Bliss

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2009, 11:37:43 AM »
Maybe Peer would work for that level? Implies a higher level of gentry just as Knight and Dame do. (And I don't see there being any REAL confusion between that and the standard connection reset message on IRC, honestly)

Offline Caeli

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2009, 11:38:52 AM »
I think Peer works for the Knight-Dame variant.

Offline Xillen

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2009, 11:40:38 AM »
Dame doesn't strike me as a warrior-type person, which made me think Noble would very well fit on the Knight/Dame level.

If you want the warrior-type person, Champion sounds best to me out of the mentioned options. What about Hero?

Relax, the IRC thingy was just a joke :P Still, I wonder how many people have actually heard of Peer as a social rank? I sure haven't, and it sounds really odd to me.

Offline Caeli

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2009, 11:42:00 AM »
Noble would also work.

I've used peer (peer of the realm?) in my writing more than once. It's not that obscurely used, I don't think, but I really don't think people would get confused by its IRC usage. xD

Offline Omniferious

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2009, 11:44:39 AM »
The only time I've heard Peer used as a social rank was when I would call my priest Peer at church, and then that was short for something else. It only made sense to me once I looked up the meaning of the word, and even then nobility was the fourth of six companions. Maybe something more immediately obvious should be chosen?

Offline Xillen

Re: It's time for a third gender option.
« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2009, 11:45:57 AM »
It's just an ongoing joke among people that frequent IRC a lot.

Since it says "Connection reset by peer", this mysterious and completely fictional "Peer" being is getting the blame of it all, occasionally included by statements like "If only I could get my hands on Peer!"

But yes, it's a joke, hence the :P smilie when I first mentioned it.