Russia/Ukraine discussion (split from News thread)

[Tolvo]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/russia-60-days-comply-nuclear-treaty-181204192354729.html

So the USA is trying to put more force on Russia. Though Trump still plans to pull out of the treaty anyway so he can build up the US nuclear arsenal and use it to control things in Europe, according to him.

Allegedly Ukrainian forces in unmarked tanks and vehicles have entered Donetsk, and that shelling has started on rebels. But I'm not finding any good English sources on it. And I don't know the accuracy levels of the local news, as well as who is telling the truth since the rebels, Russia, Ukraine, none of them can really be well trusted.

[The Lovely Tsaritsa]

Ukraine tanks and artillery, they’re in Donbas for a few years, now. My mother’s old home, in Sieverodonetsk, it was in middle of Separatist fight. Maybe news means more tanks? But, full war between Ukraine army and Separatists, it could start tomorrow. Soldiers and weapons, all are there, in numbers. They only need orders, to start.

Both news don’t tell full truth. But, I believe Russian news, more than Ukraine. Kyiv wants impressing West, and needs help. Moscow cares less, they don’t have as many reasons, for lies.

[gaggedLouise]

Ukraine tanks and artillery, they’re in Donbas for a few years, now. My mother’s old home, in Sieverodonetsk, it was in middle of Separatist fight. Maybe news means more tanks? But, full war between Ukraine army and Separatists, it could start tomorrow. Soldiers and weapons, all are there, in numbers. They only need orders, to start.

Both news don’t tell full truth. But, I believe Russian news, more than Ukraine. Kyiv wants impressing West, and needs help. Moscow cares less, they don’t have as many reasons, for lies.

If there was a more full-on war, do you think Russia would join in on the síde of the separatists?

[The Lovely Tsaritsa]

Oh yes, definitely. I read some reports, from New York Times I think, that Separatists are really mostly Russian soldiers, pretending to be Ukraine. That isn’t true, I think most of Separatists are from Eastern Ukraine, not Russia. But, they get training, from good Russian soldiers, and supplies. Not just weapons, but transports and food, things like such.

But, if things move past ugly little fighting, that happens already past few years? Luhansk and Donetsk, they would get full support from Russian army, I think. This would be war, that lasts only few days, Ukraine isn’t match in that fight.

This makes me sad, I believe Luhansk and Donetsk, they really just want being part of Russia. Most people living there do, anyway. I love my Ukraine, but Kyiv treats east territories poorly. I wish that they could have their own Brexit vote, a legitimate one with no government tricks, either from Moscow or Kyiv. That doesn’t happen though, I think people will die instead, in stupid little war. 

[Tolvo]

People are saying a battle is about to begin but I again can't find any good news on this. Recently people have passed around an image of the Ukrainian president posing with someone wearing an SS pin, but I see it going back to Russia Today reporting it and no actual Ukrainian sources. Now some Ukraine sources are saying Russian tanks are moving in Crimea and amassing based on some videos that show tanks moving(But I don't know when and where those videos are even from you just see they're on a bridge) and you can't see the markings, which others were saying Ukraine is moving unmarked tanks and vehicles to do a false flag attacks. If anyone can find any good sources do let me know. So far it seems like people are passing around a ton of unverified things.