Looking for a Small based party. [Pathfinder Group]

[OyabunKobold]

mkay got my vid uploading lets see what i roll and if its usable lol.

[Roleplay Frog]

Circling back to the power level discussion, I don't use teamwork feats because I find them.. well.. either kinda bleh, or completely crazy. Just ask a hunter with a wolf trip attack party... 'and stay down!'

I saw a hunter once who had Outflank and Tandem Trip on himself and his pet. DAMN. Talk about overpowered builds!

.. aand ninja'd.

Though my Hunter also used the packmaster or whatever it was called archetype. Three wolves. Three trip attempts, reroll.. just stay down. *chuckles*

[Conundrum]

That is one reason classes are not good descriptors for a character, it is not the class that matters but the role in the party.

[OyabunKobold]

ability score rolls

Roll Result: OyabunKyuubi rolled: 4d6, keeping 3 dice
Comment: Ability score roll 1
Result: 6, 4, 1, 5,
Total: 15

Roll Result: OyabunKyuubi rolled: 4d6, keeping 3 dice
Comment: Ability score roll 2
Result: 2, 3, 3, 2,
Total: 8

Roll Result: OyabunKyuubi rolled: 4d6, keeping 3 dice
Comment: Ability score roll 3
Result: 1, 4, 3, 5,
Total: 12

Roll Result: OyabunKyuubi rolled: 4d6, keeping 3 dice
Comment: Ability score roll 4
Result: 1, 2, 2, 3,
Total: 7

Roll Result: OyabunKyuubi rolled: 4d6, keeping 3 dice
Comment: Ability score roll 5
Result: 5, 4, 6, 2,
Total: 15

Roll Result: OyabunKyuubi rolled: 4d6, keeping 3 dice
Comment: Ability score roll 6
Result: 6, 2, 5, 5,
Total: 16

Im not sure if i can make that work out for my magus but Ill give it a try its not too bad i guess . Ill have to see what I want to be my drop stats since i got two bad ones... definitely not strength cause that would be bad . Hrms possibly charisma and wisdom. Explain that hes blunt and doesn't read the mood that well

[Chanticleer]

Im not sure if i can make that work out for my magus but Ill give it a try its not too bad i guess . Ill have to see what I want to be my drop stats since i got two bad ones... definitely not strength cause that would be bad . Hrms possibly charisma and wisdom. Explain that hes blunt and doesn't read the mood that well

Yeah. Kobold anti-master-race is a thing. That -4 strength. I think they're the only PC race which has that hard a hit, ability-wise.

EDIT: PM'd you.

OTHER THINGS:

Bondage or Extreme forum? We're already in nonhuman-ville.

[Conundrum]

Also -2 to Con making them among the worst melee combatants in the game if not the worst.  It is already a bit of a silly game being all small so we could do a high powered campaign of 5d6 drop 2 or even 5d6 drop 1.  Just have a cadre of 6 small adventurers going to town on anything in their path.

[OyabunKobold]

I think i can make this work out in my favor though. Hes not going to be amazing or anything but he will be usable.

11 Strength
14 Dexterity
13 Constitution
16 Intellect
8 Wisdom
7 Charisma

I mean its not amazing but it is usable... some what lol

[Chanticleer]

I think i can make this work out in my favor though. Hes not going to be amazing or anything but he will be usable.

11 Strength
14 Dexterity
13 Constitution
16 Intellect
8 Wisdom
7 Charisma

I mean its not amazing but it is usable... some what lol

I'd go 12 Strength, 14 Dex, 13 Con, 15 Intellect, 8 Wis, 7 Cha myself. The +1 to Str will help with melee and carrying capacity. The slightly lower Int score won't prevent you casting any spells currently and you use the next Ability point at level 4 to boost it to 16.

Just IMHO.

[OyabunKobold]

I think ill go with that. Was grabbing Weapon Finesse for the melee but the carry weight is a issue.

[Chanticleer]

I think ill go with that. Was grabbing Weapon Finesse for the melee but the carry weight is a issue.

Even with Finesse, it adds a point of damage.

[Chanticleer]

Also -2 to Con making them among the worst melee combatants in the game if not the worst.  It is already a bit of a silly game being all small so we could do a high powered campaign of 5d6 drop 2 or even 5d6 drop 1.  Just have a cadre of 6 small adventurers going to town on anything in their path.

They may not be the worst, but they're the worst PC playable race for certain.

5d6-2d seems a bit better than 5d-1d...While it'd be mildly hilarious to have someone roll a 24, that's off the power-scale. Alternately, go with a 20 or 25-point buy. I'd just prefer to avoid arrays, because Kobolds more than most races get hosed by them.

Do we want to put this game in Bondage Exotic, NC Exotic, or Extreme Exotic? I lean towards NC Exotic, with the obvious caveat that E's rule #1 always overrides.

Also, separate forum for sexytimes to keep the actual game flowing nicely?

[OyabunKobold]

Yup up until I grab Agile on my Bladed scarf. I need the carry weight though my spell book is heavy X.x Even with just normal Clothes my scarf and whatnot the spellbook alone is almost 1/3rd my carry weight.

Question for conundrum as I make my character. How are you doing traits? is it 1 Trait + 1 if you take a flaw or 1 trait reguardless how many flaws you have or 2 traits so on so forth?

If we do decide 5d6-2d Ill reroll my stats and fiddle with the new set as my stats were rolled with 4d6 in mind and that extra die might change everything.

[Conundrum]

I like to allow for a point buy option and a roll option because I personally prefer rolls but know others enjoy point buy so make sure to include that.  The 5d-1d will indeed be off the conventional power scale but I figured would be amusing as an idea.

As for where to put it and how many threads, I will defer to the players because I have yet to GM a game here so lack that knowledge base to know what is best in formatting.

Yup up until I grab Agile on my Bladed scarf. I need the carry weight though my spell book is heavy X.x Even with just normal Clothes my scarf and whatnot the spellbook alone is almost 1/3rd my carry weight.

Question for conundrum as I make my character. How are you doing traits? is it 1 Trait + 1 if you take a flaw or 1 trait reguardless how many flaws you have or 2 traits so on so forth?

If we do decide 5d6-2d Ill reroll my stats and fiddle with the new set as my stats were rolled with 4d6 in mind and that extra die might change everything.

Traits I am also undecided on, flaws generally don't do much so I usually do not use them.

[OyabunKobold]

I love a certain flaw Called Curious.

Curious:

Bane: Select two terrain types that particularly fascinate you (from the ranger’s favored terrain class feature). When you are in one of those terrains, anytime you take 10 or take 20 on a skill the skill takes twice as along to perform (minimum 2 full rounds), as you are investigation minor features around you.

So outside of a fight in two areas my character will be the star struck little dragonling. I usually choose a Plane I would like to visit and a normal Place like a City or forest or something that I figure we would be in often enough.

[Chanticleer]

Yup up until I grab Agile on my Bladed scarf. I need the carry weight though my spell book is heavy X.x Even with just normal Clothes my scarf and whatnot the spellbook alone is almost 1/3rd my carry weight.

Can't you get a small-sized spellbook? Tiny hands, tiny writing, more spells per page, less wood pulp and leather? It seems reasonable.

I like to allow for a point buy option and a roll option because I personally prefer rolls but know others enjoy point buy so make sure to include that.  The 5d-1d will indeed be off the conventional power scale but I figured would be amusing as an idea.

Players usually select flaws that don't DO anything to them. "I'm allergic to Luna Moths on alternate Tuesdays in Spring!" If we agree that a flaw is a 'common problem,' how do you feel about it?

I also looked up a comparison of Pathfinder point buy and different sets of dice rolls and the results are pretty amazing.

4d6, drop lowest die, roll 6 times is roughly equal to 20 point buy.

25 point buy, though, is interesting, because it means almost all characteristics will be reasonably high, so the distribution changes a LOT. The best dice equivalents are:
4d6, drop lowest die, roll 7 times, drop lowest set of rolls, OR
2d6+6, roll 6 times.

[OyabunKobold]

As far as I have found I can get a Travelers spellbook sure but spells are spells are spells and they all write out the same length regardless. From what I see the spellbooks don't have different sizes like backpacks and whatnot they're a 1 size fits all type thing

[Chanticleer]

As far as I have found I can get a Travelers spellbook sure but spells are spells are spells and they all write out the same length regardless. From what I see the spellbooks don't have different sizes like backpacks and whatnot they're a 1 size fits all type thing

Weh. That makes little sense. Seems like you could paint a spell on the side of a building with a mop if you were willing to pay for extra materials costs for all that ink. Doesn't seem reasonable that a sprite or pixie magic user would be using a spell book as big as they are.

Conundrum, what do you think? Is it sensible that small people have to use big-people sized spellbooks?

EDIT: These rules for different spellbook materials are 3rd party, but kind of neat.

Travelling spellbooks and compact spellbooks each weigh 1#? That shouldn't be too much even for a kobold.

[Conundrum]

I feel it is fine to use adifferent kind of book than a medium person.  I am pretty sure I have good rules for variant spellbook materials around here somewhere.

I will also probably just allow 2 traits and I am fine with you guys just RPing flaws.  I am not in the habit of policing flaws anyway.

edit: found it and it is a different thing, I am good with the variant rules linked and am willing to homebrew more.

[Chanticleer]

I feel it is fine to use adifferent kind of book than a medium person.  I am pretty sure I have good rules for variant spellbook materials around here somewhere.

I will also probably just allow 2 traits and I am fine with you guys just RPing flaws.  I am not in the habit of policing flaws anyway.

edit: found it and it is a different thing, I am good with the variant rules linked and am willing to homebrew more.

Did you have any thoughts about the point-buy/dice rolling equivalencies I linked earlier?

[Conundrum]

Did you have any thoughts about the point-buy/dice rolling equivalencies I linked earlier?

2d6+6 x6 is the most likely for me at the moment.

[Chanticleer]

2d6+6 x6 is the most likely for me at the moment.

Should OK reroll in that case?

[Conundrum]

Should OK reroll in that case?

It would probably help.

[OyabunKobold]

New Rolls

Roll Result: OyabunKyuubi rolled: 2d6, adding 6 to the total
Comment: Ability Score roll 1
Result: 5, 3,
Total: 14

Roll Result: OyabunKyuubi rolled: 2d6, adding 6 to the total
Comment: Ability Score roll 2
Result: 3, 1,
Total: 10

Roll Result: OyabunKyuubi rolled: 2d6, adding 6 to the total
Comment: Ability Score roll 3
Result: 4, 1,
Total: 11

Roll Result: OyabunKyuubi rolled: 2d6, adding 6 to the total
Comment: Ability Score roll 4
Result: 3, 3,
Total: 12

Roll Result: OyabunKyuubi rolled: 2d6, adding 6 to the total
Comment: Ability Score roll 5
Result: 5, 4,
Total: 15

Roll Result: OyabunKyuubi rolled: 2d6, adding 6 to the total
Comment: Ability Score roll 6
Result: 2, 4,
Total: 12

lol I think i preferred my last set more even with the two single digits. With this one the mediocrity will end up hurting me by dropping my Strength and Constitution for a wisdom and charisma buff. Atm with this Ill probably run 10 Str, 14 Dex, 10 Con, 15 Int, 10 Wis, 11 Charisma

[Chanticleer]

Ugh.

You know how when you go to the Dicebot it shows a test roll based on the last roll you made right above the FITB form for your next roll?

That bastard thing rolled a 16, two 17s, and an 18 as 'test rolls.'

Meanwhile it gave me the following produce from the southbound end of a northbound bull.

Dicebot's Revenge

At 2018-08-31 01:30:27, Atar (uid: 63473) rolls: 2d6a6 Result: 13
At 2018-08-31 01:30:48, Atar (uid: 63473) rolls: 2d6a6 Result: 10
At 2018-08-31 01:31:02, Atar (uid: 63473) rolls: 2d6a6 Result: 11
At 2018-08-31 01:31:17, Atar (uid: 63473) rolls: 2d6a6 Result: 13
At 2018-08-31 01:31:29, Atar (uid: 63473) rolls: 2d6a6 Result: 12
At 2018-08-31 01:31:42, Atar (uid: 63473) rolls: 2d6a6 Result: 12

Average of 2d6 is 7, +6 = 13. So 2/3 of my rolls are below average. Woot?

Why I love point buy. c_c.

Conundrum: Do we take max on our first HD and roll the rest? Or Max + average + 1? Or roll everything?

EDIT:
So, was trying to set up my UC Rogue.
This set of rolls is really problematic. I've got no ability scores that are particularly high, minuses to a pair of them (one severe) and a single +2 bonus.
I need DEX 15 to get TWF.
I need INT 13 to get Combat Expertise.
Those are doable, assuming I don't mind having my Strength punched down to (at best) 8. But then other things that require a 13 in WIL or CHA aren't in the cards. These aren't stats which are usually considered 'MAD,' because with PB generation it's trivially easy to achieve 2-3 13 scores and a 15-16. Wow.
On the plus side, UC Rogue allows Dex to Damage. On the minus side, the hit to strength will almost entirely reduce that damage bonus.

[Amalthea]

Ugh.

You know how when you go to the Dicebot it shows a test roll based on the last roll you made right above the FITB form for your next roll?

That bastard thing rolled a 16, two 17s, and an 18 as 'test rolls.'

Meanwhile it gave me the following produce from the southbound end of a northbound bull.

Dicebot's Revenge

At 2018-08-31 01:30:27, Atar (uid: 63473) rolls: 2d6a6 Result: 13
At 2018-08-31 01:30:48, Atar (uid: 63473) rolls: 2d6a6 Result: 10
At 2018-08-31 01:31:02, Atar (uid: 63473) rolls: 2d6a6 Result: 11
At 2018-08-31 01:31:17, Atar (uid: 63473) rolls: 2d6a6 Result: 13
At 2018-08-31 01:31:29, Atar (uid: 63473) rolls: 2d6a6 Result: 12
At 2018-08-31 01:31:42, Atar (uid: 63473) rolls: 2d6a6 Result: 12

Average of 2d6 is 7, +6 = 13. So 2/3 of my rolls are below average. Woot?

Why I love point buy. c_c.

Conundrum: Do we take max on our first HD and roll the rest? Or Max + average + 1? Or roll everything?

EDIT:
So, was trying to set up my UC Rogue.
This set of rolls is really problematic. I've got no ability scores that are particularly high, minuses to a pair of them (one severe) and a single +2 bonus.
I need DEX 15 to get TWF.
I need INT 13 to get Combat Expertise.
Those are doable, assuming I don't mind having my Strength punched down to (at best) 8. But then other things that require a 13 in WIL or CHA aren't in the cards. These aren't stats which are usually considered 'MAD,' because with PB generation it's trivially easy to achieve 2-3 13 scores and a 15-16. Wow.

Rip you