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Online TheGlyphstoneTopic starter

Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« on: July 13, 2018, 11:53:24 AM »
In the manner of wiki binges forever, I was wiki-wandering, ended up reading about secret societies - got from there to conspiracy theories. I started thinking, and wondering why all the major conspiracy theories/theorists I can think of tend to be associated with the conservative/right side of the political divide. 9-11 Truthers, False Flag Shootings, The Deep State, Zionism (admittedly that one far predates the left/right split). But what about the left? The right can't have a monopoly on paranoid crazy people - that's both statistically unlikely and an exhibition of preferential bias to assume so, but I can't think of any conspiracy theories aimed at a liberal/leftist audience. The only thing that came to mind was the GMO foods panic, but I'm not sure where pop-science ignorance ends and conspiracy beliefs begin there.

Maybe Europe's got some, since their political climate is more left-shaded in general than the US? (our "left" being the average European 'center-right').

Offline Skynet

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2018, 02:23:04 PM »
There are leftist conspiracy theorists, albeit not always in the form of an "overarching sinister conspiracy." There are Communists who believe that the Soviet Union was a non-hierarchical worker's paradise and that all evidence to the contrary is propaganda by rich capitalists. And there are some Afrocentrists who insist that a high melanin content gives you superpowers and that North African Arabs, Jews, and Amazigh people are not "real Africans" and that the cultures they practice originated among Sub-Saharan peoples.

But the right is more prevalent for several reasons. One is that at least in the US and much of the West they have more political power. Alex Jones is on friendly terms with President Trump, Congressman Steve King unapologetically retweets Neo-Nazi propaganda about white genocide, and a huge portion of US military support for Israel is driven by evangelical "Christians" who believe that Jewish control of the Temple Mount is key for the Rapture. People who believe that the Holodomir was solely a naturally-occurring famine are not being voted into office or bankrolling millions of dollars into politician's pockets.

And in regards to minority groups (sans the aforementioned Afrocentrists) you really don't need to believe in lizard people or cabals of cannibal Satanists to know that there are people in power who really are after you. Look at the transgender military ban and bathroom bills; look at the immigrant detention centers holding children; look at how Latino immigrants and Syrian refugees are all maligned as rapist hordes.

Offline Skynet


Online Lustful Bride

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2018, 02:39:38 PM »
I don't know if these count, but I remember once at my college hearing someone say that there were no gays in the middle east, and that was just a lie cooked up by the west to thumb their noses at the middle east.

3.) Tankies who believe that North Korea is a great place to live and has open elections

Oh god I remember once getting into an argument with someone who said the Korean war was just American imperialism and that it was America's fault alone, and he refused to believe that it was a UN Task force that fought against NK. *shakes head*

"There was no such thing, it was just American Imperialism behind it, just like always, all to serve the military industrial complex".

Offline Oniya

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2018, 02:07:07 AM »
I was booted from a 'Progressive Party' group on Facebook for trying to use logic against a 'chemtrails' post.

Offline Beorning

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2018, 01:20:51 PM »
Isn't chemtrails a right-wing conspiracy theory, though?

I guess that some of these theories transcend political boundaries...

Offline Oniya

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2018, 01:26:31 PM »
Isn't chemtrails a right-wing conspiracy theory, though?

I guess that some of these theories transcend political boundaries...

Stupidity is non-partisan, I suppose.

Offline Beorning

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2018, 01:51:24 PM »
Believe it or not, the first Minister of Enviroment in our current government (he got fired a few months ago) went on record as believing in chemtrails...

Online TheGlyphstoneTopic starter

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2018, 02:17:05 PM »
Stupidity is non-partisan, I suppose.

That was the idea of the thread, yeah.

Online Eye of Horus

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2018, 02:31:43 PM »
I was at a vegan festival they other day, where a guy at one of the stands sounded perfectly reasonable until he started claiming that the government authorised mercury tooth fillings in order to poison people and make them stupider...

It’s not unreasonable to think that your government prefers its people to be dumb and compliant, but come on now.

Offline Beorning

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2018, 02:44:41 PM »
I was at a vegan festival they other day, where a guy at one of the stands sounded perfectly reasonable until he started claiming that the government authorised mercury tooth fillings in order to poison people and make them stupider...

Wait. I thought that's why there's fluoride in the tap water..? ;)

Online Eye of Horus

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2018, 02:51:34 PM »
He said that too, actually!

Offline Polymorph

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2018, 03:09:47 PM »
I guess that some of these theories transcend political boundaries...


Yes, not sure if it's a US/UK difference or just pure chance but the couple of people I've met who went off on one about 911 conspiracy were very left wing. One tried to tell me that the number off Jewish people flying as passengers halved for that day which apparently proved that Israel was responsible. Only took a couple of seconds of thought to reply that was crap because nobody had ever asked me my religion before boarding a flight so there's no way such a figure could even be calculated.

Online Eye of Horus

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2018, 03:39:57 PM »
Wonderful. So they were not just conspiracy nuts but raging anti-semites as well!

Offline Mechelle

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2018, 06:40:11 PM »
Wonderful. So they were not just conspiracy nuts but raging anti-semites as well!

The two do seem to be linked, all too often. Traditionally, it was the right who believed in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and secretive Jewish puppet masters pulling the strings of the world, but, all too often, anti-Zionism on the left can easily shift into anti-Semitism.

The other, similar one about 9/11 I have heard is that all the Jewish workers in the World Trade Center got advance notice to stay home that day. Again, the practicality of how this would have been done, let alone checking on who actually was absent, should rule out this theory for sensible people.

Online RedPhoenix

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2018, 11:01:00 PM »
Hundreds of jews died in the towers. And the fact that Western business and government is seen as controlled by Jews by most Muslim extremists makes it more likely that the towers and the pentagon were targeted specifically to get at them than anything else.

That being said, left-wing nutjobs seem to have adopted most of the protocols of the learned elders of zion wholesale, have a five minute conversation with one and they'll start telling you that Israel controls the US government and that we let them decide everything etc. etc. etc. Zionism seems far more of a left wing thing than a right wing thing recently.

9-11 Truthers also I've heard it a lot more from left wingers who think that Bush and bin Laden worked together because it made both of their wealthy families richer.

But ultimately....

Stupidity is non-partisan, I suppose.

At a certain level of crazy it's impossible to tell what exactly someone's political position is. When you believe that everyone in Washington is a reptilian alien you're really neither left or right wing at that point.

Another thing is that conspiracies that involve not trusting the government are always more popular with the people who don't have control of the government. That's why so many anti-government conspiracies had a right wing flavor under Obama and now we have more of it with the left - although the fact that almost everything Trump's government does gets leaked instantly makes it hard to make up conspiracies about it.

And of course generally in the days of whistle blowers, smart phones, and people leaking everything from inside the government it's harder to make up something that requires no proof like you could do quite easily back in the day.

And then there's the point that one person's conspiracy theory is another person's astute observation. Some called the idea that Dick Cheney's company would be paid to rebuild Iraq after the war a crazy far out left wing conspiracy. But I guess that stopped being the case when it happened.

Online TheGlyphstoneTopic starter

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2018, 11:25:45 PM »
- although the fact that almost everything Trump's government does gets leaked instantly makes it hard to make up conspiracies about it.


Unless that is in itself proof of the conspiracy, else how would everything get leaked so fast? ;D

Online legomaster00156

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2018, 10:41:06 AM »
Another thing is that conspiracies that involve not trusting the government are always more popular with the people who don't have control of the government. That's why so many anti-government conspiracies had a right wing flavor under Obama and now we have more of it with the left - although the fact that almost everything Trump's government does gets leaked instantly makes it hard to make up conspiracies about it.
Which makes it somewhat amusing that the right-wing conspiracy wheel is turning as hard as ever to discredit the U.S. government's "Deep State" while the Republican party controls every lever of power.

Offline Polymorph

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2018, 12:05:36 PM »
Which makes it somewhat amusing that the right-wing conspiracy wheel is turning as hard as ever to discredit the U.S. government's "Deep State" while the Republican party controls every lever of power.

Those on both the extreme right and extreme left generally don't see any difference between the Republican and Democrat parties considering them to be one entity, the establishment.

Online TheGlyphstoneTopic starter

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2018, 12:11:57 PM »
Those on both the extreme right and extreme left generally don't see any difference between the Republican and Democrat parties considering them to be one entity, the establishment.

Yeah - the "Deep State" specifically is a Right phenomenon, but it's just the most recent coat of paint on the general conspiracy-belief of a 'shadow government' that's gone by many names. Deep State, Illuminati, the Jewish, Catholics, Masons, the Jewish again. The only change is who the theorists believe is the true identities of the conspiracy and which public mask they're hiding behind.

Online Lustful Bride

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2018, 12:24:31 PM »
Imagine what a plot twist it would be if the Deep State was real but actually used these conspiracy nuts to bring down civilizations that they had issues controlling :P

The people so intent on exposing a conspiracy were actually puppets to it.

Online TheGlyphstoneTopic starter

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2018, 12:28:05 PM »
Imagine what a plot twist it would be if the Deep State was real but actually used these conspiracy nuts to bring down civilizations that they had issues controlling :P

The people so intent on exposing a conspiracy were actually puppets to it.

I think some of them already incorporate that into their beliefs - anyone who disagrees with them, including other conspiracy theorists, are either dupes or agents of Them.

Online RedPhoenix

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2018, 12:34:20 PM »
I don't find the idea that large portions of the government function without any effective oversight that much of a conspiracy. Whether they're organized enough to qualify as a "deep state" or "shadow government" is more the question.

Online Lustful Bride

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2018, 12:46:05 PM »
I don't find the idea that large portions of the government function without any effective oversight that much of a conspiracy. Whether they're organized enough to qualify as a "deep state" or "shadow government" is more the question.

That's more an issue of proper government control, overreach, and how much autonomy agencies and such need to properly function than the typical "The Jews/Catholics/Masons/aliens/illuminati control everything!" which is where it becomes a conspiracy theory.

Online TheGlyphstoneTopic starter

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2018, 12:56:14 PM »
Yeah, bureaucracies and government agencies operating without oversight is just a fact of life. It's the extra flavor that they are secretly pursuing some sort of malevolent end goal that adds the conspiracy cherry on top.

Online legomaster00156

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2018, 05:27:36 PM »
It is a necessary fact of life, too. Nothing can ever be entirely monitored all the way from the top to the bottom, or nothing would ever get done - each and every step of the government's work would need to be cross-checked with the people above them, and the people above that, and so on all the way up the line.

Online RedPhoenix

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2018, 05:34:09 PM »
Sure, and sometimes that leads to a few paperclips going missing. And sometimes it leads to MKULTRA.

Offline Skynet

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2018, 06:38:56 PM »
Which makes it somewhat amusing that the right-wing conspiracy wheel is turning as hard as ever to discredit the U.S. government's "Deep State" while the Republican party controls every lever of power.

Amusingly Trump winning the Presidency was a huge hindrance to Alex Jones. For decades the dude sold himself as an anti-establishment candidate, and in some cases he was just as willing to tackle the extreme right*, but his "elite Globalists are in control" falls apart when a man he supported is now in charge. He did complain about Trump "betraying the people" when he supported military strikes against Assad's forces**, but in a week he went back on the Trump Train to defend Kanye West***.

But what hurts Alex Jones more than his inconsistency is that now he's propped up on a far greater stage, and just now he's getting hit with serious lawsuits like that of Chobani Yogurt when he puts them in his conspiracy theories. Which ironically plays right back into the (((globalists))) coming after him.

Or look at Q Anon, whose conspiracy is that President Trump is not the nincompoop he appears as in public, but is pretending to be a galoof to mask his tireless Supermanesque persona of busting up child sex trafficking rings hid by the Deep State.

They shifted gears to keep up their persecution complex.

*see his RNC confrontation of Michelle Malkin for advocating putting Muslims in internment camps.

**Alex Jones Video Link.

***Secular Talk Video Link.

Online legomaster00156

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2018, 07:21:49 PM »
As if this mess of a man would ever obscure beneficial things he's doing. If he broke up a sex trafficking ring, we'd hear about it in a tweet within three minutes. :P

Offline Oniya

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2018, 07:40:14 PM »
Do I even want to know what kind of conspiracy involves yogurt?  O_o

Offline Skynet

Re: Left-Aligned Conspiracy Theories?
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2018, 08:05:19 PM »
Do I even want to know what kind of conspiracy involves yogurt?  O_o

Chobani Yogurt
Chobani Yogurt's CEO, Hamdi Ulukaya, is a Kurdish immigrant from Turkey. Having made it big in the US, he wishes to grant others in similar circumstances a chance at a better life and was successful in hiring immigrants from the Middle East to work at his company.

Alex Jones claimed that sex crimes in the factory where Chobani Yogurt was located was in the middle of a disease outbreak, of STDs spread by Middle Eastern immigrants going wild and raping (white) children. And that Ulukaya was intentionally doing this.

Naturally Chobani threatened a lawsuit against him, and the case was settled out of court. It did lead to this awesome video of Alex eating crow: