The Kingmaker (Pathfinder Adventure Path 1-20) (Closed?)

[Roleplay Frog]

-> flexible as long as I get to be Frog. I am comitted to this now.

[JoanieSappho]

Linde might work for others, but I did rather make her specifically with Kingmaker in mind, so I'd much rather that.

[persephone325]

I don't have a preference. If you do wind up sticking me in a non-Kingmaker group, just let me know so I can switch out my Kingmaker trait.

[Zaer Darkwail]

I prefer Kingmaker great deal as char background and overall trait and story heavily relates to it. But I am alignment and gender flexible in party setup. Albeit I could change char's background bit to fit to other paths but so far only three I have interest to play through with Chad are Way of the Wicked, Wrath of the Righteous or Hell's Vengeance.

[Vergil Tanner]

I'd prefer to play Kingmaker as well, but if placed in a different campaign I can always switch out Drazzek if necessary. I'd prefer not to though

[Miroque]

Shows that Kingmaker was the thing that gathered the flock to the chuch.

5-5-4 is all good and fine to me and Kingmaker is the path I would like to play.

When would this start? And as I asked in page1 or 2, how are the logicstics being handeled (mapping/combat/ruling the frontier kingdom/building cities)

[TheScarletBlade]

Hey Everyone,

After some intense tinkering and a bunch of coffee this morning, I believe I have created(mostly) the perfect parties for our lovely adventure. Since I am enthusiastic about getting this off the ground, please let me know if there is any issues with the selected parties or desires to transfer in the next 24 hours. Tomorrow is my day off and I plan to start creating forums and the works. Any questions, comments or concerns, let me know.

Team Whatever It Takes : Linde, Chad, Trisiel, Serra, Skill Monkey*

This 5 person party doesn't believe in morality. They will do whatever it takes to fulfill their ambitions.  One seeks to take back glory denied because of their bastard birth. One does whatever it takes to plant their sword in the heart of lawless. One seeks wealth beyond imaging, hungry for the power and secrets that can be unlocked by coin.  One is willing to do whatever it takes to bring their sect of religion to the heretics in the Stolen Lands. Though a group with varied and diverse interests, they are united by a single sense of purpose: and a willingness to do whatever it takes to realize their goals.


Outcasts : Dorn, Luckums, Largya, Alni,Drazzek

This five person party have been outcasts their whole lives. Who could love half orcs and frog girls? Whether from racial heritage or being seduced by dark powers, these adventurers left their homes seeking a place to belong. Why not the stolen lands? An uninhabitable bog with no laws or people to look down on their heritage, maybe they can create a home to all types of people: not just stinking normals. 1 is a raging warrior with a tough past, seeking violence and battle. 2 seeks acceptance as their goblin and frog backgrounds forced them out of civilized lands. One a fallen noble living outside societies laws, using mutations to push him beyond normal human limits. In one way or another, this band of adventurers is bound by a bond of shared discrimination against them: the stolen lands a chance to set the story right for these outcasts.


Team Tragic Past: Faeranduil, Alisa, Aurora, Serpico, Need a frontliner?*

This 5 person party was formed by people seeking to escape tragic pasts. One an accused murderer fleeing this ancestral home. One a former slave seeking freedom though the flames of their past still burn. Another a beautiful spawn of a vampire, stunning as the pale moon but running from civilization to inhabit darkened forests. Joined by a charismatic, wandering bard escaping from the clutches of his former adopted family(hope this is accurate Wander?). Diverse backgrounds abound, they bond overa desire to flee their pasts, the lawless Stolen Lands offering a place to escape and maybe even a fresh start: for those brave enough to claim it.


The asterisks are the slots needing to be filled. An npc I will be playing will be one and the other can be played by one of the 4 other people who said they were interested but never posted a character. Which ever person gets their char in quickly essentially.


@Miroque: I haven't forgot your questions. I have just finished hammering down the details on how I plan to run the logistics of the game. I'll be posting the details very soon, probably later tonight or tomorrow. 


PARTIES REVISED ONCE

[Roleplay Frog]

Who could love half orcs and frog girls?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBxn56l9WcU

I'm ok with this. Keep in mind that my alchemist with her 9 skillpoints is kinda skillmonkeyey already on her own. Will enjoy the bog either way!

[Vergil Tanner]

They mostly look good, I just...whilst I personally don't mind playing a Good Character with an evil party, I just don't think Drazzak would like it. I don't think that he's the best person to be matched with a Mostly Evil group; as soon as they do anything even remotely evil, he'd either leave or try to kill them all. He might be Chaotic Good, but he has a very strong sense of justice and morality, and I really only see that getting in the way with the party he's in at the moment. I hate to be a pain, but...Drazzek is not the type to play nicely with people he views as "Evil." Disagreeing with them is fine, but as soon as he works out that they're Evil....eeeeh. I'm also struggling to work out why he would be attracted to Party with three of those four in the first place. It might be a failure of imagination and it being 1:10 am, but I'm just...not seeing it for Drazzek. One of my neutral characters? Yeah, they'd do it. Drazzek...not so much. One evil character, I can swing. But a party of mostly Evil? That would be difficult for me to play, as Drazzek.
Sorry to be a pain :-/

[Roleplay Frog]

as soon as they do anything even remotely evil, he'd either leave or try to kill them all.

Hey, no offense, but sounds to me as if he's a perfectly fit for an evil party. Proper G characters care also about redemption of evildoers, not murder. That should be an ultimate last resort for those without hope of improvement, ever.

[Vergil Tanner]

Hey, no offense, but sounds to me as if he's a perfectly fit for an evil party. Proper G characters care also about redemption of evildoers, not murder. That should be an ultimate last resort for those without hope of improvement, ever.

I disagree. "Proper G" characters don't exist. All you have to do to be "Proper G" is to try and further the wellbeing of the innocent and try to make the world a better place. If he sees them doing evil things and they don't seem interested in changing, he's not gonna Batman it up by putting them in prison for rehabilitation. If his first attempt at redemption fails, he's going Punisher on them and icing them before they hurt any other innocent people.
I think you have a very narrow view of what "Proper G" characters do. I mean, any party of "Proper G" characters will indiscriminately murder hordes of Evil Creatures in their journey from 1-20, after all Good Characters just have to work for the Greater Good, but they might disagree on how to do it. And he's not Lawful; he doesn't give a shit if people think it's murder. If somebody poses a greater threat to innocent lives than is worth dealing with, he kills them. He ain't about to let the Joker run free because of some high minded ideals that are just gonna get other people killed. If there's one thing that living in the wilds has taught him...it's pragmatism.

[Chulanowa]

Honestly I think the lawful vs. chaotic conflict would be the bigger hangup there. He's all "hey guys, our kingdom needs to be a hippy commune!" and they're all "NEIN! Ve vill be un Vascisht Dik-tatorshippen!" 

[Vergil Tanner]

Honestly I think the lawful vs. chaotic conflict would be the bigger hangup there. He's all "hey guys, our kingdom needs to be a hippy commune!" and they're all "NEIN! Ve vill be un Vascisht Dik-tatorshippen!" 

What is with you people and stereotyping Drazzek's outlook on life?

He's Chaotic, yes. That doesn't mean he's an Anarchist Libertarian. He's Chaotic, not stupid.

[Roleplay Frog]

I counter-disagree. *chuckles* There's gradients to this stuff and in a fantastical world were true good and angels exist, there is place for redemption for evildoers rather than direct judgement.
But we are clearly applying two different kinds of morality here, you're more a red hood, where I'm more a batman, to stay with your analogy and as fun as that would be to debate, that might burst the border of this ooc *chuckles*

On that note, read the Knights Metal? Batman that laughs is the epic.

"NEIN! Ve vill be un Vascisht Dik-tatorshippen!"

You're so lucky germans are more the types to chuckle along with that one rather than be offended. Du böser Junge.

What is with you people and stereotyping Drazzek's outlook on life?

Typical of the C character to not want to be put into any categories.

[Vergil Tanner]

I counter-disagree. *chuckles* There's gradients to this stuff and in a fantastical world were true good and angels exist, there is place for redemption for evildoers rather than direct judgement.
But we are clearly applying two different kinds of morality here, you're more a red hood, where I'm more a batman, to stay with your analogy and as fun as that would be to debate, that might burst the border of this ooc *chuckles*

Yeah, basically. Whilst Drazzek isn't FULL Red Hood, he would still not want to work with them at all. Hence why I also said that a probability is him just leaving the party in disgust.

On that note, read the Knights Metal? Batman that laughs is the epic.

Nope.

[TheScarletBlade]

@Vergil: You just gotta ruin a perfectly good party motif! I figured Drazzek's past of killing assholes would pair well with Linde's background of hunting bandits. I guess Drazzek could fit well with team tragic past, though I would have to maybe shuffle some other people around. I guess if Drazzek joins team tragic past they will be the nature loving group lol.

@Deva: If you feel confident you could fit a skill monkey roll, Outcasts could use another frontliner?

[Roleplay Frog]

@Deva: If you feel confident you could fit a skill monkey roll, Outcasts could use another frontliner?

No UMD or DD, so confident is a relative thing, but among the four characters we should be good, skillwise? Whatever you think best. Froggo has at least a fair amount of magic knowledge/item checks under control. I see her working as a good 'filler' character that can slip into different shoes as needed.

[TheScarletBlade]

Also @Vergil: How mutated of a fighter are you?

[Zaer Darkwail]

I say most time mutation warrior looks normal but it can quickly turn seriously unnormal when they consume mutagens and 'transform' into monsters/beasts. That can outnerve people quite bit (if wondering can his char fit to outcastes some manner).

[Roleplay Frog]

Th.. thats disgusting! Drinking Mutagens and stuff.. My froggo alchemist would never do something like that! *whistles away*

[persephone325]

So, I'm not part of the Kingmaker group yeah? I just want to be sure before I change my Kingmaker trait to something else. ^^

[TheScarletBlade]

Keep your trait pers, everyone wants to play kingmaker so thats what we are gonna play!

[persephone325]

Keep your trait pers, everyone wants to play kingmaker so thats what we are gonna play!

Oh! Okey-dokey, then!

[TheScarletBlade]

I say most time mutation warrior looks normal but it can quickly turn seriously unnormal when they consume mutagens and 'transform' into monsters/beasts. That can outnerve people quite bit (if wondering can his char fit to outcastes some manner).

*Wonders if Zaer read his mind*

By the way Zaer, how tanky do you think your character could be?

[Petrus02]

Honestly I think the lawful vs. chaotic conflict would be the bigger hangup there. He's all "hey guys, our kingdom needs to be a hippy commune!" and they're all "NEIN! Ve vill be un Vascisht Dik-tatorshippen!" 

good thing most educated germans tend to laugh this away, otherwise you'd gotten a loooong debatte here^.^