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Offline MizerTopic starter

Last Jedi is bad *Spoilers*
« on: December 15, 2017, 07:29:26 AM »
Oh Last Jedi you had such potential and promise. Instead you are weighed down by stupid writing, stupid characters, and blatant Disneyfication. Your entire first half manages to drag down a movie that admittedly has really fun and good scenes, making me even more angry because there are GLIMMERS of how good you could have been.

Someone told me going into the movie that it was shot for shot Empire Strikes Back. To which I say "HA HA!! ....No." No they would made a far better movie if they had copied Empire Strikes Back.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2017, 04:45:45 PM by Mizer »

Offline RedRose

Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2017, 07:48:03 AM »
I regret watching the "Rey" one and probably will not be watching newer one...

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2017, 08:22:06 AM »
I'll still be seeing it just because I'd be a horrible Star Wars fan if I didn't, but thanks for the heads up. :)

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2017, 09:06:36 AM »
People are having a hard time grasping is that this movie was supposed to be depressing. It's the required emotional low so the victories in the next movie are even better. So yes, it is akin to Empire.

Offline Mathim

Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2017, 12:05:33 PM »
After Force Awakens, I was like, oh, okay, so they're just not even trying anymore, huh? So I quit. Not going a step further. Didn't bother with Rogue One, wasn't going to bother with this one either but now I'm not even letting my friend who wants to see it drag me with him.

Offline RubySlippers

Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2017, 02:39:45 PM »
I thought it was amazing character you think would be alive at the end weren't and ones you swear should die - didn't. It had a nod to the Hoth battle at the end on a salt planet so it was white with red salt underneath and desperate plans one that FAILED badly. And Luke was played like a boss. Rey is maturing into a proper Jedi and I like they didn't do a full reveal leave some things to speculate on for the next movie if they ever reveal who they are or is she an ancient force avatar of some kind? And the rear admiral was cute and forgot the first rule of being in the rebelling side the long shot stupid plans tend to work just remember the attack on the first death star. Go with the crazy people sometimes and let them loose and go for the hail mary. But they won the way the rebels do with hope and a dream of what could be.

I give it an 'A' grade for one hell of a popcorn movie.  ;D


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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2017, 11:55:44 AM »
I didn't think it was bad at all. You can tell so much work went into that movie in every way. I loved it. :)

I wanted to stay in the cinema and watch it again.

Offline TheHighwayHitman

Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2017, 12:07:51 PM »
Is it really that bad? Or is it bias because the original trilogy is so good? Is it like the Star Trek reboots where technology is what makes it worth watching for the affects alone?

Offline RubySlippers

Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2017, 03:10:33 PM »
Was the original trilogy 'good' it wasn't special the same basic plot worked in the Lord of the Ring Trilogy, Chronicle of Narnia and other lets be frank tropes of the hero or heroes (Narnia) rising up from obscurity and after mentoring and training or fate get to fight and defeat some big bad. The new Trilogy started there but is tossing some things on their heads the big bad is Ren not Stoke and its clear Rey could be a flawed heroine who knows if she is the big heroine or will someone else be that she could die in 9 and her powers pass to Fin maybe. They aren't going to play it safe and clearly will keep everyone guessing.

I like they are using the tropes but then messing with them its refreshing, I still wanted a Jar Jar cameo in the casino as a 'visiting diplomat from Naboo' maybe with a wife and adult child it would have been fun for my dad and made his day, maybe grabbing a fish with his tongue and looking around.

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2017, 03:58:38 PM »
I kinda am with Amber on this one, I really loved it and wanted to stay and watch it again.
Though I also loved what they did with Luke, kinda made it so that he wasn't unfailable and the perfect Jedi but also gave in to his fears.

Also Ruby, kinda hard for Jar Jar to make a cameo as well he probably will be dead bcz of old age. After all he was already mature during the first three movies when Luke and Leia were born. Now those two are basically well seniors in age. And a gungan lifespan is just the same as a human's sooooooo yeah not possible.

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2017, 04:05:16 PM »
Okay Jar Jar Binks Jr. and well my dad would have loved a Jar Jar moment even if a similar looking son.  ;D

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2017, 05:30:16 PM »
Jar Jar was mentioned in recent Disney canon extended material of being an ostracised old street jester in the time following the Battle of Endor, he explains he is ostracised due to the belief of him helping the Empire (as technically he did give the deciding vote to put Palpatine in that level of power). He ends up adopting a disfigured orphan and that he'd train him to become a clown too.

Source is the Aftermath: Empire's End novel, he's mentioned already as being old in this time (5 ABY-ish) and given the new trilogy is set 30 years after that, he'd be in his 80s if he was to appear. More than likely his adopted son may appear in a future film.

Offline RubySlippers

Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2017, 06:02:34 PM »
Noooooo he was the dark sith lord everyone knows that just watch the films the Supreme Chancellor was his pawn, while he slide in and manipulated the Jedi and the Senate to his dark will. All this Jar Jar hate ruined the true plot.  >:(

Offline TheHighwayHitman

Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2017, 08:01:04 PM »
The thing Ruby, tha  I need yo point out is that the original Star Wars trilogy came out before any of the others you mentioned. So following a similar format is actually copying. Yes, the LotR novels were first, but we're talking cinema. If we go to the LotR novels we have to also note that the movies don't exactly follow them.

Star Wars is also, in mu mind, one of the originals when it comes to making you cheer for the Villain. Darth Vader is too tbis day, a fan favorite. He made being the bad guy cool.

As they say in Clerks 2, "There is only one return, and it is of the Jedi. Not the King."

As for Jar-Jar? I hope I am not the only one who can't stand him. :p

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2017, 08:46:35 PM »
The thing Ruby, tha  I need yo point out is that the original Star Wars trilogy came out before any of the others you mentioned. So following a similar format is actually copying. Yes, the LotR novels were first, but we're talking cinema. If we go to the LotR novels we have to also note that the movies don't exactly follow them.

Star Wars is also, in mu mind, one of the originals when it comes to making you cheer for the Villain. Darth Vader is too tbis day, a fan favorite. He made being the bad guy cool.

As they say in Clerks 2, "There is only one return, and it is of the Jedi. Not the King."

As for Jar-Jar? I hope I am not the only one who can't stand him. :p

You're really not.

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2017, 08:47:49 PM »
It just would be funny, since he is such a un-liked character.  ;D

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2017, 02:22:11 AM »
My opinion is no better or worse than anyone else's, but, like everyone else, it is unique.  I'm old enough to have seen Episode IV when I was eight years old, and lived the wonder of it.  I was eleven when Empire Strikes Back came out, and Luke's coming of age in that really had a deep impact on my own psyche.  I didn't like the Ewoks so much, but did love the plot and final arc of Anakin Skywalker in Return of the Jedi.  I didn't hate the prequels as much as many older fans did, but took them as they were.  By that point, though, I had begun to understand the concept of 'you can't go home again' in life.

I was happy with The Force Awakens, understood it for what it was--a bridge for younger generations into the Star Wars series--and recognized it was, like any work of art, both flawed and subject to interpretation.  I placed it above the Prequels, but below the original series.  I loved Rogue One.  My dad sort of raised me on war movies, and it came off just like one of those.

And now I come to The Last Jedi.  Well, I saw it with my son, who is no Star Wars fan.  He mentioned many times to me the last few weeks, he wasn't looking forward to seeing it with me.  He's from a different generation, one that isn't impressed by the original series, nor is he from the prior generation who looked fondly on the Prequels.  He's a Harry Potter kinda fan, loved Homestuck, played and followed Undertale, big fan of Markiplier and JackSepticEye...a different cultural foundation for him.

He came out of The Last Jedi gushing.  Has a crush on Kylo Ren now.  Thought Rose was adorable.  Cheered at several sections.  I loved the film, but my son was made a new Star Wars fan with this movie, after seeing all the ones before it and not being won over.

Every generation has their touchstones, and prior generations tend to act puzzled and upset when newer generations don't venerate their favorites.  It's awesome when something comes along that unites generations.  The first Star Wars was like that, for me, my parents, and my grandparents.  Maybe this new one is the same, for some people.

Sure, it had flaws.  There was hokey dialogue in places, but every Star Wars movie has had that--it's kind of a given with the genre.  There were obvious Disney product placements--porgs?--to sell merchandise to kids.  There were plot points I would have written differently--Luke's basic demeanor, Snoke's...well...arc, Rey's continued lack of training--but there were far, far more fantastic moments in it.  Laura Dern's final action, played out in the silence of space--then punctuated by a sudden shockwave--was surprisingly powerful.  Rose's action towards the end aimed at Finn was heroic.  And Luke stepping out towards the end just made the hairs on my arms stand up.  I thought the film was epic, and only topped by A New Hope and Empire.

The franchise evolves, like everything that is alive.  My headcanon doesn't matter to whatever director helms a new Star Wars movie.  I'll never make a Star Wars film--I look forward to seeing what they will create.  If I want to create Star Wars, I'll do it here as an RPG :)

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2017, 02:30:51 AM »
My opinion is no better or worse than anyone else's, but, like everyone else, it is unique.  I'm old enough to have seen Episode IV when I was eight years old, and lived the wonder of it.  I was eleven when Empire Strikes Back came out, and Luke's coming of age in that really had a deep impact on my own psyche.  I didn't like the Ewoks so much, but did love the plot and final arc of Anakin Skywalker in Return of the Jedi.  I didn't hate the prequels as much as many older fans did, but took them as they were.  By that point, though, I had begun to understand the concept of 'you can't go home again' in life.

I was happy with The Force Awakens, understood it for what it was--a bridge for younger generations into the Star Wars series--and recognized it was, like any work of art, both flawed and subject to interpretation.  I placed it above the Prequels, but below the original series.  I loved Rogue One.  My dad sort of raised me on war movies, and it came off just like one of those.

And now I come to The Last Jedi.  Well, I saw it with my son, who is no Star Wars fan.  He mentioned many times to me the last few weeks, he wasn't looking forward to seeing it with me.  He's from a different generation, one that isn't impressed by the original series, nor is he from the prior generation who looked fondly on the Prequels.  He's a Harry Potter kinda fan, loved Homestuck, played and followed Undertale, big fan of Markiplier and JackSepticEye...a different cultural foundation for him.

He came out of The Last Jedi gushing.  Has a crush on Kylo Ren now.  Thought Rose was adorable.  Cheered at several sections.  I loved the film, but my son was made a new Star Wars fan with this movie, after seeing all the ones before it and not being won over.

Every generation has their touchstones, and prior generations tend to act puzzled and upset when newer generations don't venerate their favorites.  It's awesome when something comes along that unites generations.  The first Star Wars was like that, for me, my parents, and my grandparents.  Maybe this new one is the same, for some people.

Sure, it had flaws.  There was hokey dialogue in places, but every Star Wars movie has had that--it's kind of a given with the genre.  There were obvious Disney product placements--porgs?--to sell merchandise to kids.  There were plot points I would have written differently--Luke's basic demeanor, Snoke's...well...arc, Rey's continued lack of training--but there were far, far more fantastic moments in it.  Laura Dern's final action, played out in the silence of space--then punctuated by a sudden shockwave--was surprisingly powerful.  Rose's action towards the end aimed at Finn was heroic.  And Luke stepping out towards the end just made the hairs on my arms stand up.  I thought the film was epic, and only topped by A New Hope and Empire.

The franchise evolves, like everything that is alive.  My headcanon doesn't matter to whatever director helms a new Star Wars movie.  I'll never make a Star Wars film--I look forward to seeing what they will create.  If I want to create Star Wars, I'll do it here as an RPG :)

*runs over and gives a hug if that's okay*
Thank you for that comment, made me really happy reading that.

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2017, 05:29:11 AM »
I loved The Last Jedi!

Did it have its weaker moments? Sure! Like any movie in my opinion. I don’t, however, judge movies on the particular dialogue or acting qualities and certainly not on any technical kind of movie making qualities. I judge a film by how much I loved watching it, how much I enjoyed it and how much I want to see it again. All three those categories were big wins with this movie. I thought it even better than Force Awakens. I liked Force awakens a lot, but I thought Rey was a bit... meh, but she really came into her own in this new movie. My wife loved it, too, and till Force awakens, she wasn’t even a Star Wars fan.

Luke skywalker’s finale was stunning, to be honest and despite me expecting it, I still wished it could have gone a little bit differently as he is my favourite character of the entire franchise.

My advice: go see it! Especially before determining whether you think it is good or not.

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2017, 05:42:08 AM »
I usually do not post in such threads, but since it popped up and we saw it last evening..

I loved it. But, as with all things, tastes differ.
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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2017, 11:39:38 AM »
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Thank you for that comment, made me really happy reading that.

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Offline mia h

Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2017, 11:44:14 AM »
Someone told me going into the movie that it was shot for shot Empire Strikes Back.
I'm guessing the person in question never saw Empire.
Imperial probe droids - Nope
Giant space worms - Nope
Flying city - Nope
Jedi gets hand chopped off -Nope
etc. etc.

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2017, 12:04:38 PM »
It's really simple with me. I didn't like VII so I'm not going to watch any of the other ones. I'll always hold that Star Wars has more to do with what age you watch it at more than the quality of the actual films being presented, and I'm sticking by that. I thought Force Awakens was so badly done with Rey being grossly mishandled and such a Mary Sue that I don't think there's a fertile enough foundation for a solid trilogy. If another generation of kids can like it though, more power to them.

Offline National Acrobat

Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2017, 04:21:30 PM »
As a long time fan who saw A New Hope when it came out multiple times in the theatre at the age of 8, I've loved Star Wars my entire life, and I loved the Last Jedi, as did my kids, who range in age from 21 to 11. Empire is my favorite of them all. It is time to move the series to a different style, and evolve, and they are doing it. I personally thought it was a great movie, and I look forward to Episode 9.

Part of the problem with Star Wars, is that everyone has an idea of what they think should be in the movies and how the story should evolve, and has their own hopes and expectations. Film makers will never meet those. In my own close circle of friends, each and every one of them had different expectations for this movie, each one of them had an idea of what they thought the plot should be. None of them expected any of this, and I think it's way past time we start to get Star Wars movies that don't follow a safe formula.

That's just my opinion though, it's no better or worse than anyone else's opinion.

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Re: Last Jedi is bad
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2017, 04:28:17 PM »
I also thought it was great. The torch has been passed to a new generation,as it should be.