We Could Be Heroes; A Sexy Superhero RP 2nd Arc Recruitment! MALES NEEDED!

[PentheWonderful]

Oh.

Ok well... We didn't really talk about that at all.

I'll go work on something now.

We'll be waiting!

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Josietta:

Are you still short on males and do you have a full list of all taken powers?

We aren't short on males specifically - an applicant just got through the process and is preparing to start! - so I'm opening up the recruitment now to females and males.
The current list in the OP is up to date. I removed Strength and Durability, since that player kinda went "Poof" several weeks ago.



Remec:

- I think it starts at a simple boost...like maybe half again as good..up to a max of double their normal ability.

Ok...is that half again as his maximum boost at Beginner Level? How does that adjust depending on his relationship with them?

- Both physical and mental skills and knowledges can be affected, but maybe to a limit of one or two of either kind in a given person at one time

What do you mean "in a given person?" Do you mean he can affect multiple people at once?
How would mental abilities be affected? Physical ones, it's an easy metric. What if their superpower is mental? Does it boost their mental superpower, or does it not affect powers?

- Good point...I was thinking the boost might be further, like 25-30 ft...but maybe just starting out it's shorter

Just starting out, it should be shorter, yes.

- I was thinking it would hang out for a short time afterwards

Hmm, not sure about that. At Mastery? Sure. At beginner, I feel like - since he's just getting the hang of it - it should evaporate as soon as he steps out of range. You know, he's still learning the power, and it gives him an easy metric for growth.

- I was thinking his mere presence gives everyone a touch of energy and revitalization, but the actual boosting requires him to focus his attention on an individual (or individuals once he works up to multiple targets)

Ok, hang on, what do you mean "energy and revitalisation?" That is significantly different to boosting their skills. That sounds like an entirely different power, so what precisely do you mean by that?

I can see what you mean, but I was thinking more in terms of Rogue or the one New Mutant who was top of his class because he would draw in knowledge from the actual smart kids (as well as the teacher)

That's pretty much exactly what I was concerned about, y'know Being able to do whatever the fuck he wanted depending on who was nearby, because that could end up making several people useless. I mean, my character - Dante - has a superpower that is basically "Learn whatever skill takes your fancy." Your power would allow your character to go "Oh, that shit you just learned? Yeah, now I know it too. :-3 " See what I mean with the possible abuse of that?

- Since the borrowing is more personal, then maybe it needs to be initialized by touch--like a Mind Meld, or, again, like Rogue's power. After that touch, he can maintain the effect with concentration, with it dwindling over, say, 5-15 min once he stops depending on the nature of what he borrowed and the relationship he has with the person

At beginner level? It would last for a couple of minutes, at most. When you're using a skill, a minute or two is a very long time, depending on the skill. I would say at beginner, two minutes is his maximum, which lowers depending on his relationship.

- Physical skills would be like Taskmaster, he just gets the knowledge of how to do it. But, yes, experience might very well outweigh knowledge.

I'm gonna say no. I'm going to say that physical skills still require understanding. If he can instinctively do the flips and shit, he might be able to see how to scale the building, but if something unexpected happens - say, a drainpipe he's holding onto splits off from the wall - he'd probably flail at the unexpected event and not know what to do next. His body can do it reflexively, but if something more serious happens that requires an actual decision, he's fucked because he doesn't have the experience or the understanding of why he's doing what he's doing to make an informed decision.

- That's fair...maybe a minute or two?

So a minute of constant contact? At beginner level, that sounds fine, though that could lower as he gets more experience.

- Agreed...one can only multitask so much...perhaps he can pick up one physical skill and one mental one at a time--not necessarily from the same person

Hmmm....ok. But having two active would make it harder to concentrate. So perhaps the more skills he takes on, the less time he has them all for, cumulatively?

[Giantmutantcrab]

Name: Thomas Belmont
Sex: Male
Position: Student
Archetype: Athlete? Jock? Somewhere in that
Power Theme: Super-durability

Beginner: Thomas’ resistances are purely physical, and render him immune to damage against that which can be generated one-handed by a normal, human-sized opponent. So a punch, a baseball bat, a knife, etc. Do not affect him. Being shot by a regular hand-held pistol will not injure him. Larger, more dangerous weapons (two-handed sword, shotgun blast, hand grenade) will damage him, but significantly less than a normal person (who would be dead). He can walk away from a 10-foot fall uninjured.

Advanced: Thomas’ resistances grow. He can survive extremes of temperature now. Large, dangerous weapons (two-handed weapons, rifles) do not injure him. He can shrug off falling from a 30-foot fall uninjured.

Master: Thomas’ resistances are at their peak. He cannot be injured by fire or dry ice. He can walk away from a high-speed car accident uninjured. He can take a shotgun blast to the chest, point-blank, unharmed. A steel sword will break against him. A 50-foot fall will not injure him at all.

Weaknesses:
He is vulnerable to anything air-based. Gases will affect him. The flames of a fire will not hurt him, but breathing in the burning-hot air will injure him.
Thomas may not be damaged, but he will feel pain if the attack exceeds his pain tolerance. Too much pain will make anyone lose consciousness.
He can be suffocated if his head is held underwater.
The eyes and nose and ears are vulnerable. An open-hand slap to his ears will disorient him, pepper spray will incapacitate him.
Though he may not be injured by it, someone stronger than him holding him in a maneuver of some kind (leg lock, arm lock, etc.) will render him incapable of fighting.
He does not possess super-strength. So even if he is not harmed, he could be stuck/squeezed against something and be unable to get himself free.

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Beginner: Thomas’ resistances are purely physical, and render him immune to damage against that which can be generated one-handed by a normal, human-sized opponent. So a punch, a baseball bat, a knife, etc. Do not affect him. Being shot by a regular hand-held pistol will not injure him. Larger, more dangerous weapons (two-handed sword, shotgun blast, hand grenade) will damage him, but significantly less than a normal person (who would be dead). He can walk away from a 10-foot fall uninjured.

A gunshot would still hurt him. At beginner level, if he gets shot by a handgun, I would expect him to still get injured, since a bullet is moving a fuckton faster than a baseball bat.
When you say "is still hurt by, but less than a normal human," what do you mean? If he gets hit by a shotgun blast, what specifically happens to him? A normal human would be dead. What would his injuries be like?

Advanced: Thomas’ resistances grow. He can survive extremes of temperature now. Large, dangerous weapons (two-handed weapons, rifles) do not injure him. He can shrug off falling from a 30-foot fall uninjured.

That is one hell of a leap. I would say that he can shrug off two handed weapons and small arms fire. Larger guns and calibres hurt him. go from 10 feet to a 20 foot fall. Where did the temperature come from? How is that related to him being invulnerable? Being invulnerable to fire doesn't mean he's invulnerable to heat. They're two different things.
And that actually raises a good point. Is he immune to fire? What happens if you burn him?

Master: Thomas’ resistances are at their peak. He cannot be injured by fire or dry ice. He can walk away from a high-speed car accident uninjured. He can take a shotgun blast to the chest, point-blank, unharmed. A steel sword will break against him. A 50-foot fall will not injure him at all.

Ok, this is vague as hell. So, he can walk away from a shotgun blast, ok. What is the weakest thing that will injure him?
Also, you realise that saying that he can walk away from a car crash is vague, right? Are we talking a 60mph collision with a barrier? Or are we talking about an 80mph head on collision with a runaway lorry? You need to be more specific here.
Also, dial the 50 foot back to 40 foot.

He is vulnerable to anything air-based. Gases will affect him. The flames of a fire will not hurt him, but breathing in the burning-hot air will injure him.

Is that "No fire will hurt him?" You realise that fire can be easily several thousand degrees, right? I need a specific temperature range that he can withstand before fire affects him like everybody else.

Thomas may not be damaged, but he will feel pain if the attack exceeds his pain tolerance. Too much pain will make anyone lose consciousness.

And what is this pain tolerance? What kind of pain does he feel from the blows he receives? As a weakness, this is kind of vague and I'd appreciate you specifying how much punishment he can take.

Though he may not be injured by it, someone stronger than him holding him in a maneuver of some kind (leg lock, arm lock, etc.) will render him incapable of fighting.
He does not possess super-strength. So even if he is not harmed, he could be stuck/squeezed against something and be unable to get himself free.

Does choking him work? Can somebody squeeze his airways and prevent him from breathing?

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Remec:

After a brief conversation with Pen, we've decided that your powers are kind of twofold at the moment, like they're two separate, unrelated abilities. What we need you to do is pick one of them and we can focus on that. You can either boost peoples skills, or you can borrow them. Not both.

If you want to borrow them, we can increase the potency there.

If you want to be a booster, we can talk about adding the capability of negating them for a time (EG, "Oh, you play the guitar? Not for the next five minutes, you can't" sort of thing).

Basically, being able to boost AND borrow? They feel too much like distinct powers that can be super powerful on their own. So we'll need you to pick one to focus on, please

[Remec]

Remec:

After a brief conversation with Pen, we've decided that your powers are kind of twofold at the moment, like they're two separate, unrelated abilities. What we need you to do is pick one of them and we can focus on that. You can either boost peoples skills, or you can borrow them. Not both.

If you want to borrow them, we can increase the potency there.

If you want to be a booster, we can talk about adding the capability of negating them for a time (EG, "Oh, you play the guitar? Not for the next five minutes, you can't" sort of thing).

Basically, being able to boost AND borrow? They feel too much like distinct powers that can be super powerful on their own. So we'll need you to pick one to focus on, please

Fair enough, on reviewing them in my head I can see what you mean.

I think I like the idea of being a support character, as it were, a potential ace-in-the-hole if the group needed it, so I think I'd like to develop him as having the booster power. (Booster/Silencer now. :) )

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Awesome possum! In which case, please see my above post and ignore the bits where I addressed the "Borrower" parts of your response.

Also, additional, would you mind kind of...giving me what you had in mind for the nullifier abilities? Then I can respond and help you tweak it all at once!

[Remec]

Awesome possum! In which case, please see my above post and ignore the bits where I addressed the "Borrower" parts of your response.

Also, additional, would you mind kind of...giving me what you had in mind for the nullifier abilities? Then I can respond and help you tweak it all at once!

- Ok...is that half again as his maximum boost at Beginner Level? How does that adjust depending on his relationship with them?

- What do you mean "in a given person?" Do you mean he can affect multiple people at once?

- How would mental abilities be affected? Physical ones, it's an easy metric. What if their superpower is mental? Does it boost their mental superpower, or does it not affect powers?

- Just starting out, it should be shorter, yes.

- Hmm, not sure about that. At Mastery? Sure. At beginner, I feel like - since he's just getting the hang of it - it should evaporate as soon as he steps out of range. You know, he's still learning the power, and it gives him an easy metric for growth.

- Ok, hang on, what do you mean "energy and revitalisation?" That is significantly different to boosting their skills. That sounds like an entirely different power, so what precisely do you mean by that?

- I was envisioning half again as the lowest boost, but the more developed his relationship to someone, then the more he boosts them. To a max (at starting out) of double their normal output.
- At the beginning, I was thinking it was strictly physical and mental prowess...the physical being different aspects of their personal athleticism and the mental being a sort of unlocking of knowledge they may not even know they had been exposed to. Later on, he might progress to boosting actual powers.
- I envisioned the booster power as a field effect around him...thus just being in the field pumps people up, like a low dose of endorphins or something...but when he brings his concentration to bear on a specific person (maybe people as mastery progresses), then he can actually raise their potential to actuality. Which means that your point about the boost evaporating quickly totally makes sense. Once someone leaves the field, or he moves away from them, then they drop back to normal.

Now, Nullifier...
I think it would work in a similar fashion, but without the field...it's strictly a one-on-one sort of thing, plus, using it this way drops any boost(s) he might have had going at the moment. However, I like the example you used with the guitar playing...maybe the nullifying is sort of like a mental block on their access to that ability/knowledge and it slowly goes away after is use it on them...ie, it doesn't cose concentration, but I can only nullify so many things/people at once.

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- I was envisioning half again as the lowest boost, but the more developed his relationship to someone, then the more he boosts them. To a max (at starting out) of double their normal output.

Hmmm, ok. And what would his "Maximum Potential" be?

- At the beginning, I was thinking it was strictly physical and mental prowess...the physical being different aspects of their personal athleticism and the mental being a sort of unlocking of knowledge they may not even know they had been exposed to. Later on, he might progress to boosting actual powers.

I would have to say no to that last bit. "Skills" and "Powers" are two different things, y'know? I mean, how would you make the leap from "I can make you better at playing guitar!" to "I can make your pyromancy more powerful!" Besides, we have another applicant in the works who boosts powers, so that would be treading too much into his territory.

- I envisioned the booster power as a field effect around him...thus just being in the field pumps people up, like a low dose of endorphins or something...but when he brings his concentration to bear on a specific person (maybe people as mastery progresses), then he can actually raise their potential to actuality. Which means that your point about the boost evaporating quickly totally makes sense. Once someone leaves the field, or he moves away from them, then they drop back to normal.

I dunno, I'm not sure that follows. How does "Your skills are more effective" lead to "being near me boosts your endorphin level?" I think we should stick to just boosting skills, since I'm not sure the revitalising effects actually follow on naturally from his other powers, y'know?

I think it would work in a similar fashion, but without the field...it's strictly a one-on-one sort of thing, plus, using it this way drops any boost(s) he might have had going at the moment. However, I like the example you used with the guitar playing...maybe the nullifying is sort of like a mental block on their access to that ability/knowledge and it slowly goes away after is use it on them...ie, it doesn't cose concentration, but I can only nullify so many things/people at once.

Hmm...I think that I like your idea on the mental block, but that block strengthens as his powers strengthen. EG, at the start, it reduces their skill to about 70% of what it was naturally, increasing to nullifying it completely at Mastery Level. As far as duration...no, I think it needs to be a Concentration thing that ends as soon as the person is out of range or your character stops concentrating on them. I would imagine it takes up a "Slot." So if he can only boost one physical and one mental ability, if he negates a mental ability, he can then only boost or negate one other physical ability and that would be it. Obviously that number would increase as his abilities got more powerful.

Naturally, of course, he can only boost / negate skills that he knows people have

[Giantmutantcrab]

A gunshot would still hurt him. At beginner level, if he gets shot by a handgun, I would expect him to still get injured, since a bullet is moving a fuckton faster than a baseball bat.
When you say "is still hurt by, but less than a normal human," what do you mean? If he gets hit by a shotgun blast, what specifically happens to him? A normal human would be dead. What would his injuries be like?

I don't see why the speed of the bullet would make it go through his superpower any more or less then a baseball bat. The bullet goes through the air quickly, true. Shoot a handgun into water and you won't even break the surface. Shoot it into sand and it just crushes against the surface. Shoot a handgun against a bulletproof vest and it will just mushroom on the surface. Sure it'll bruise the person underneath the vest. But there's no penetration there. Bullets cause deep penetrating damage, if it passes through the surface. A baseball bat will cause severe blunt force trauma, possibly crack the skull and damage the soft delicate brain underneath.

I would assume he would be half-dead. With injures equivalent to 50% of what those injuries would normally be.

That is one hell of a leap. I would say that he can shrug off two handed weapons and small arms fire. Larger guns and calibres hurt him. go from 10 feet to a 20 foot fall. Where did the temperature come from? How is that related to him being invulnerable? Being invulnerable to fire doesn't mean he's invulnerable to heat. They're two different things.
And that actually raises a good point. Is he immune to fire? What happens if you burn him?

Why? The damage that a person would get depending on either a 10 or 20 foot fall is pretty much identical.  It takes about one second for someone to fall 200 feet. So the difference of 20 feet for each "level" of power is equivalent to 0.01 seconds more acceleration. And 50 feet is the median number where people die after falling such a height. I felt it was significant, which was why I was moving for the half-way point at the "advanced" setting and going for 30 feet. I don't see the reason why it should be 10-20-30 feet. It seems arbitrary.

As for the general question of fire, I will answer it here and not chop it up in various sub-answers. At beginner level, a small fire (someone throwing a molotov cocktail at him) will not injure him, though he could be injured if he breathes in the fumes. At advanced level, he would be immune to a larger fire, say a big campfire. Like, you can toss him in there and he will be ok. At Master level, he can survive a house fire.

Ok, this is vague as hell.

I know. Hence, the reason why I wanted to put up specific, detailed numbers. Newtons. Pounds per square inches of force. Feet per second for bullets. To avoid ALL of this.

So, he can walk away from a shotgun blast, ok. What is the weakest thing that will injure him?

I don't know. I didn't sit down and think of every single item that could possibly injure him or not.

A chainsaw. It would take a few seconds but would eventually cut through.

Also, you realise that saying that he can walk away from a car crash is vague, right? Are we talking a 60mph collision with a barrier? Or are we talking about an 80mph head on collision with a runaway lorry? You need to be more specific here.

I don't know. Let's say a car crash on the highway. Highway speed is 60 miles per hour in the US, right? So let's go with that. He can walk away from a freak car accident full-speed on the highway.

Also, dial the 50 foot back to 40 foot.

Why?

Is that "No fire will hurt him?" You realise that fire can be easily several thousand degrees, right? I need a specific temperature range that he can withstand before fire affects him like everybody else.

Answered question for fire above.

And what is this pain tolerance? What kind of pain does he feel from the blows he receives? As a weakness, this is kind of vague and I'd appreciate you specifying how much punishment he can take.

If the attack does not break through his resistance, he will not feel pain. He will feel impact, but not pain.

Does choking him work? Can somebody squeeze his airways and prevent him from breathing?

I suggest that it would take someone with super-strength equivalent to his super-durability to be able to suffocate him manually.

I will also add that at beginner level, he can resist temperatures from 20 degrees Celcius to -20 degrees Celcius. Meaning no ill effects. He won't get cold, or frostbite, or heatstrokes or sunburns. At advanced, let's go from 30 to -30. And to master, from 40 to -40. Meaning from blistering equatorial summer heatwaves to sub-arctic temperatures.

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I don't see why the speed of the bullet would make it go through his superpower any more or less then a baseball bat. The bullet goes through the air quickly, true. Shoot a handgun into water and you won't even break the surface. Shoot it into sand and it just crushes against the surface. Shoot a handgun against a bulletproof vest and it will just mushroom on the surface. Sure it'll bruise the person underneath the vest. But there's no penetration there. Bullets cause deep penetrating damage, if it passes through the surface. A baseball bat will cause severe blunt force trauma, possibly crack the skull and damage the soft delicate brain underneath.

Because a speeding bullet hits harder than a baseball bat. It has more momentum and more force, so it hits the point of contact harder than a bat would. Yes, it's primarily penetrating damage, but that doesn't stop the point of impact being under more pressure than a bat.

Why? The damage that a person would get depending on either a 10 or 20 foot fall is pretty much identical.  It takes about one second for someone to fall 200 feet. So the difference of 20 feet for each "level" of power is equivalent to 0.01 seconds more acceleration. And 50 feet is the median number where people die after falling such a height. I felt it was significant, which was why I was moving for the half-way point at the "advanced" setting and going for 30 feet. I don't see the reason why it should be 10-20-30 feet. It seems arbitrary.

That's a good point. It simply felt like a more logical learning curve, but 10 - 30 - 50 works as well.

As for the general question of fire, I will answer it here and not chop it up in various sub-answers. At beginner level, a small fire (someone throwing a molotov cocktail at him) will not injure him, though he could be injured if he breathes in the fumes. At advanced level, he would be immune to a larger fire, say a big campfire. Like, you can toss him in there and he will be ok. At Master level, he can survive a house fire.

Ok, that makes sense. Since there's some range in terms of house fire, what kind of temperatures are we talking there?

I know. Hence, the reason why I wanted to put up specific, detailed numbers. Newtons. Pounds per square inches of force. Feet per second for bullets. To avoid ALL of this.

Newtons / PSI wouldn't solve the problem. Because Science isn't my strong suit, I would have to go and google every time something comes up to see how much PSI / Newtons / Whatever that would exert, which - I know from experience - is sometimes hard to find hard numbers on, so I'd have to sit down and do a fuckton of maths, which I don't feel like spending my afternoon doing. In order to give your character a challenge and something that would hurt him, I'd need to work out the PSI / Newtons / Whatever of each event I planned. Which doesn't sound fun for me. Frankly, I would rather have some benchmark examples, so we can "Eyeball it" on a case by case basis.

I don't know. I didn't sit down and think of every single item that could possibly injure him or not.

And I'm not asking you to. I'm asking you to give me the weakest thing that would injure him. That's all.

A chainsaw. It would take a few seconds but would eventually cut through.

Thank you.

I don't know. Let's say a car crash on the highway. Highway speed is 60 miles per hour in the US, right? So let's go with that. He can walk away from a freak car accident full-speed on the highway.

Ok. So a head on collision at 60mph, he'd be injured as if it were a same-way collision at 60mph? (Since a head on collision at 60mph has an effective force = 120mph)

I suggest that it would take someone with super-strength equivalent to his super-durability to be able to suffocate him manually.

Or a tool, I presume? EG, plastic bag, etc.

I will also add that at beginner level, he can resist temperatures from 20 degrees Celcius to -20 degrees Celcius. Meaning no ill effects. He won't get cold, or frostbite, or heatstrokes or sunburns. At advanced, let's go from 30 to -30. And to master, from 40 to -40. Meaning from blistering equatorial summer heatwaves to sub-arctic temperatures.

This, I'm not so sure about. Every power needs a weakness or a few things it doesn't apply to. Why would him being invulnerable to harm extend to him being invulnerable to extreme temperatures? I can get the fire itself not causing issues, but I would expect the scalding or freezing air to be affecting him normally. How would this resistance to extreme temperatures work?

[Giantmutantcrab]

Because a speeding bullet hits harder than a baseball bat. It has more momentum and more force, so it hits the point of contact harder than a bat would. Yes, it's primarily penetrating damage, but that doesn't stop the point of impact being under more pressure than a bat.

You know, I have been thinking about this particular point of yours. And I think I understand. You don't want a bulletproof superhuman right off the bat. And there are dozens of variations of firearms out there. Handguns, shotguns, rifles, assault rifles, etc. So instead of going through specific kinds of rifles, let's go through something shared by most firearms; feet per second. That is the speed with which the bullet goes through the air, which results in impact. Velocity. This will give us a nice clear baseline to determine the who, what and how. So let us say that at Basic level, antyhing that moves below 600 feet per second will not affect him. So pellet guns, airsoft guns, bows, crossbows, muskets, thrown weapons, etc. At Advanced, let's go with about 1200 feet per second. Which covers most pistols and shotguns, but BARELY. Meaning he will feel the impact, there will be some light injuries (bruises, some bleeding from surface wounds, etc). He will NOT WANT to get shot. And at Master, let's go with around 1800 feet per second. This covers most "slow-moving" bullets, while anything from an assault rifle, a dedicated long-range rifle or above in gun weight will injure him. Perhaps less than someone else, but still injure him. This way you don't have a bulletproof brick at level 1, I get to feel like my dude isn't made of paper maché, and we good.

We good?

Ok, that makes sense. Since there's some range in terms of house fire, what kind of temperatures are we talking there?

Hmm! So I've been searching the internets and apparently a candle has an average heat of about 1500 degrees farenheit, whereas a house fire has an average heat of about 1100 degrees.

Which is surprising, to say the least.

Umm... Ok, so how about this.

Basic; 1500 degrees. Candle.
Advanced; 2000 degrees. Which is a little over the average temperature at which wood normally burns (+/- 1880 or so). So we're still on track with the initial "campfire" concept.
Master; 2500 degrees. Which would allow him to resist low-level blowtorch injuries (which can go from 2000 to 3500). He could survive a flamethrower blast to the face, unharmed, at this level.

Ok. So a head on collision at 60mph, he'd be injured as if it were a same-way collision at 60mph? (Since a head on collision at 60mph has an effective force = 120mph)

Uhh... ...Yeah, sure, let's go with that. That seems to make sense.

Or a tool, I presume? EG, plastic bag, etc.

Umm, I would suggest that using a plastic bag will totally negate any form of resistance he can have, since it becomes oxygen depravation, but air-based. And he has no specific resistances to anything air-based. Like, putting him in an airtight room and taking out all the oxygen. He can't do anything against that. If someone bags him and duct-tapes the bag over his head, it'll soon be lights out and then the long kiss goodbye.

This, I'm not so sure about. Every power needs a weakness or a few things it doesn't apply to. Why would him being invulnerable to harm extend to him being invulnerable to extreme temperatures? I can get the fire itself not causing issues, but I would expect the scalding or freezing air to be affecting him normally. How would this resistance to extreme temperatures work?

I saw that as the physical effects of cold and heat at those temperatures being negated. Like, no frostbite, no heatstroke. Cold air and hot air will affect him. He just won't get sunburned or lose toes. He'll still be cold / hot, just not suffer any of the short or long-term physical consequences. Is that clearer?
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Also, ingested liquids and gases of all kind will affect him 100%. Hard exterior, soft interior.

As a lovely side-effect, he could hit a lot harder then most people of his size and weight. Not because of super-strength, but because he can't hurt himself. Human beings instinctively hold back when striking, because we don't want to break our own hands and feet. When bone hits bone, everything hurts. But if he knows that he can punch a stone wall all day and walk away unharmed... In a fist-fight, he can toss those hands HARD.

Just a thing I thought about today.



So do you want me to re-write all of this gibberish into a clean-cut, precise bullet-point presentation for you and PenTheLovelyAndWonderful?

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You know, I have been thinking about this particular point of yours. And I think I understand. You don't want a bulletproof superhuman right off the bat. And there are dozens of variations of firearms out there. Handguns, shotguns, rifles, assault rifles, etc. So instead of going through specific kinds of rifles, let's go through something shared by most firearms; feet per second. That is the speed with which the bullet goes through the air, which results in impact. Velocity. This will give us a nice clear baseline to determine the who, what and how. So let us say that at Basic level, antyhing that moves below 600 feet per second will not affect him. So pellet guns, airsoft guns, bows, crossbows, muskets, thrown weapons, etc. At Advanced, let's go with about 1200 feet per second. Which covers most pistols and shotguns, but BARELY. Meaning he will feel the impact, there will be some light injuries (bruises, some bleeding from surface wounds, etc). He will NOT WANT to get shot. And at Master, let's go with around 1800 feet per second. This covers most "slow-moving" bullets, while anything from an assault rifle, a dedicated long-range rifle or above in gun weight will injure him. Perhaps less than someone else, but still injure him. This way you don't have a bulletproof brick at level 1, I get to feel like my dude isn't made of paper maché, and we good.

We good?

We good

Basic; 1500 degrees. Candle.
Advanced; 2000 degrees. Which is a little over the average temperature at which wood normally burns (+/- 1880 or so). So we're still on track with the initial "campfire" concept.
Master; 2500 degrees. Which would allow him to resist low-level blowtorch injuries (which can go from 2000 to 3500). He could survive a flamethrower blast to the face, unharmed, at this level.

Is this in Centigrade or Fahrenheit? If it's in Fahrenheit, then fair enough
If it's in centigrade, I'm a touch hesitant because getting any flame over 2,500 is a challenge. The surface of the sun is only 4,000, after all! After a discussion with Pen...we'd like you to drop his Mastery down to 2,000. So it would go 1,000 - 1,500 - 2,000.

I saw that as the physical effects of cold and heat at those temperatures being negated. Like, no frostbite, no heatstroke. Cold air and hot air will affect him. He just won't get sunburned or lose toes. He'll still be cold / hot, just not suffer any of the short or long-term physical consequences. Is that clearer?

But sunburn isn't caused by heat. It's caused by UV Radiation, which has nothing to do with heat. Heat just means that you're being exposed to more radiation; the burn isn't actually a fire burn or a heat burn, it's a radiation burn. Is he resistant or immune to radiation? I would argue "No," because radiation tends to penetrate most surfaces unless it's lead or extremely thick, like a concrete bunker. Also, again, gangrene isn't necessarily caused by the cold. There are different types, but it's mostly caused by bacterial infection. I would assume that, if the bacteria can find a way inside, he isn't immune to bacterial infection?

That raises another point; is he resistant to disease or would that fall under "ingested" stuff?

As a lovely side-effect, he could hit a lot harder then most people of his size and weight. Not because of super-strength, but because he can't hurt himself. Human beings instinctively hold back when striking, because we don't want to break our own hands and feet. When bone hits bone, everything hurts. But if he knows that he can punch a stone wall all day and walk away unharmed... In a fist-fight, he can toss those hands HARD.

Just a thing I thought about today.

Yes, but he's still limited to what his body can naturally output. If I see you saying he's 7 feet tall and weighs 300lbs....

So do you want me to re-write all of this gibberish into a clean-cut, precise bullet-point presentation for you and PenTheLovelyAndWonderful?

Yes please

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Is this in Centigrade or Fahrenheit? If it's in Fahrenheit, then fair enough
If it's in centigrade, I'm a touch hesitant because getting any flame over 2,500 is a challenge. The surface of the sun is only 4,000, after all! After a discussion with Pen...we'd like you to drop his Mastery down to 2,000. So it would go 1,000 - 1,500 - 2,000.

That was in Farenheit. Since we're using feet and inches for height, pounds for weight, miles per hour for vehicle speed and feet per second for weapon velocity, I thought it would be polite to continue using obsolete methods of measuring. Like we were in the 12th century. And yeah no he's not walking on the sun any time soon.
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But sunburn isn't caused by heat. It's caused by UV Radiation, which has nothing to do with heat. Heat just means that you're being exposed to more radiation; the burn isn't actually a fire burn or a heat burn, it's a radiation burn. Is he resistant or immune to radiation? I would argue "No," because radiation tends to penetrate most surfaces unless it's lead or extremely thick, like a concrete bunker. Also, again, gangrene isn't necessarily caused by the cold. There are different types, but it's mostly caused by bacterial infection. I would assume that, if the bacteria can find a way inside, he isn't immune to bacterial infection?

Well I didn't know that. And I don't know what to reply to the question of radiation. I would assume that no he does not have any kind of specific resistances to radiation. He can't just step into a nuclear factory. It just seemed very silly to be that a guy who can take an axe to the face and shrug it off would get sunburns. Ow ow my delicate wittle shoulders. I guess that was why I was aiming for him to have some form of resistance to extremes of temperatures (normal-grade temperatures. Again, no walking-on-sun thing.)

Isn't frostbite caused by lack of blood circulation to the extremities? And yeah if infections find their way inside he has zero resistance to that. Unless he had the appropriate vaccine when he was a kid.

That raises another point; is he resistant to disease or would that fall under "ingested" stuff?

I... Do not know. Perhaps diseases would be easier to treat, but he is not necessarily resistant to them since they don't fit in the "physical damage" category, at least not initially? I don't know. I think at that point it might be necessary to determine what, physically, explains his durability. Is it muscle and bone density? Is it the molecular structure of his skin that is simply more tightly woven? I think depending on what kind of disease / bacteria and how it normally maneuvers, we could determine how, or if, he gets sick?

Yes, but he's still limited to what his body can naturally output. If I see you saying he's 7 feet tall and weighs 300lbs....

That does raise the good point that I have no earthly idea who I'm gonna use as a faceclaim.

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That was in Farenheit. Since we're using feet and inches for height, pounds for weight, miles per hour for vehicle speed and feet per second for weapon velocity, I thought it would be polite to continue using obsolete methods of measuring. Like we were in the 12th century. And yeah no he's not walking on the sun any time soon.

I think you'll find that being the measurements that most English people use, it's correct, since it's our language.

Anyway, 1500 - 2000 - 2500 degrees Fahrenheit sounds fair.

Well I didn't know that. And I don't know what to reply to the question of radiation. I would assume that no he does not have any kind of specific resistances to radiation. He can't just step into a nuclear factory. It just seemed very silly to be that a guy who can take an axe to the face and shrug it off would get sunburns. Ow ow my delicate wittle shoulders. I guess that was why I was aiming for him to have some form of resistance to extremes of temperatures (normal-grade temperatures. Again, no walking-on-sun thing.)

Well, as silly as it sounds, if he has a resistance to heat but not to radiation, then...yeah. He'd take an axe to the face but get sunburned.
Again, I would say that radiation affects him as per normal, since his abilities lend themselves to physical damage rather than radiation.

Isn't frostbite caused by lack of blood circulation to the extremities? And yeah if infections find their way inside he has zero resistance to that. Unless he had the appropriate vaccine when he was a kid.

Frostbite is, yes. Gangrene =/= Frostbite, though

I... Do not know. Perhaps diseases would be easier to treat, but he is not necessarily resistant to them since they don't fit in the "physical damage" category, at least not initially? I don't know. I think at that point it might be necessary to determine what, physically, explains his durability. Is it muscle and bone density? Is it the molecular structure of his skin that is simply more tightly woven? I think depending on what kind of disease / bacteria and how it normally maneuvers, we could determine how, or if, he gets sick?

That would make sense. In which case...what kind of invulnerability do you see it being? Luke Cage-esque impenetrable skin, or Colossus-esque muscle and bone density?

That does raise the good point that I have no earthly idea who I'm gonna use as a faceclaim.

I have an archive if you need help.

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I think you'll find that being the measurements that most English people use, it's correct, since it's our language.

At least you're not weighing people with stones. That shit is medieval.

Well, as silly as it sounds, if he has a resistance to heat but not to radiation, then...yeah. He'd take an axe to the face but get sunburned.
Again, I would say that radiation affects him as per normal, since his abilities lend themselves to physical damage rather than radiation.

That would make sense. In which case...what kind of invulnerability do you see it being? Luke Cage-esque impenetrable skin, or Colossus-esque muscle and bone density?

I feel that muscle and bone density would be a better fit.

I have an archive if you need help.

Uhh... Yeah sure. "Hot shirtless high school boys" would not look good on my web browser history. How old are these kids again?

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Name: Thomas Belmont
Sex: Male
Position: Student
Archetype: Athlete? Jock? Somewhere in there
Power Theme: Super-durability

Thomas’ muscles and bones are remarkably denser than that of an average human being. Because of this, he is able to shrug off certain potential injuries.

Beginner: Thomas will resist the following:
One-handed melee attacks (blunt force trauma and slashing/stabbing weapons)
Projectiles moving under 600 feet per second (BB guns, bows, crossbows, thrown weapons)
Fire below 1000 degrees Celsius
Crushing damage and pressure equivalent to a 20 mph car crash
A fall from 10 feet onto a hard surface (one storey-high building)

Advanced: Thomas will resist the following:
Two-handed melee attacks (blunt force trauma and slashing/stabbing weapons)
Projectiles moving under 1200 feet per second (most pistols and shotgun shells are around this velocity, meaning that there is risk of superficial injuries)
Fire below 1500 degrees Celsius
Crushing damage and pressure equivalent to a 40 mph car crash
A fall from 30 feet onto a hard surface (three storey-high building)

Master: Thomas will resist the following:
Oversized melee attacks (can resist a chainsaw for several seconds)
Projectiles moving under 1800 feet per second (the majority of pistols, shotguns and low-speed rifles are around this velocity)
Fire below 2000 degrees Celsius
Crushing damage and pressure equivalent to a 60 mph car crash
A fall from 50 feet onto a hard surface (five storey-high building)

Weaknesses:
He has no specific resistances to anything air-based.
He has no specific resistances to anything ingested.
He has no specific resistances to radiation, ambient heat or cold.
The sensitive areas of his face (eyes, nose, mouth and ears) are vulnerable.
There is no way for him to know in advance if he possesses a resistance to a certain danger. He can only test it and note the results.

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I feel that muscle and bone density would be a better fit.

Okey okey. Make sure you specify that, then.
Also bear in mind that enhanced density would make him heavier and therefore slower, since his superpower does not give him any special strength.

Uhh... Yeah sure. "Hot shirtless high school boys" would not look good on my web browser history. How old are these kids again?

18 - 19 years old.

Fire below 1500 degrees Fahrenheit (can hold his hand to a candle)

You're getting your measurements mixed up. The hottest part of a candle is 1,400 celsius, which is about 2,500 Fahrenheit.

Fire below 2500 degrees Fahrenheit (can resist a low-burning blowtorch for several seconds)

Again, remember your measurements. I believe a simple air-fed propane torch burns at around 3,000 F.

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Okey okey. Make sure you specify that, then.
Also bear in mind that enhanced density would make him heavier and therefore slower, since his superpower does not give him any special strength.

Well... Slower to a point. He's not going to be weighing half a ton. And besides, this is a superpower. So there might be physical changes, but he's not going to morph into the Thing and crack the sidewalk with each step.

So I've just about finished writing this down when I finally realised that you wrote that the person who had the Strength / Durability combo went poof. I thought that people could only have one superpower? Or were they both relatively watered down powers?

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Also, yeah, I think that you are right and that the temperatures I was reading were in Celcius and not Dark Ages Alchemy... I mean Fahrenheit.

...IF the offer of those Celcius degrees is still available, 1k - 1.5k - 2k, I would gladly take them and even transition them into Oxen Hooves Width... I mean Fahrenheit.

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Well... Slower to a point. He's not going to be weighing half a ton. And besides, this is a superpower. So there might be physical changes, but he's not going to morph into the Thing and crack the sidewalk with each step.

Well, yeah. Obviously. I'm just saying that if he's denser but not stronger, he's going to slow down a little.

So I've just about finished writing this down when I finally realised that you wrote that the person who had the Strength / Durability combo went poof. I thought that people could only have one superpower? Or were they both relatively watered down powers?

They were both pretty heavily watered down. Nowhere near the toughness that your character has.

...IF the offer of those Celcius degrees is still available, 1k - 1.5k - 2k, I would gladly take them and even transition them into Oxen Hooves Width... I mean Fahrenheit.

That offer is still open, just keep them in celcius

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Well, yeah. Obviously. I'm just saying that if he's denser but not stronger, he's going to slow down a little.

I agree with the terms.

That offer is still open, just keep them in celcius

Oh you mean modern, functional units of measurment? Yes. Yes I will do that.

HAPPILY.

Also, the start from this clip from the Simpsons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM4EZdzucQY

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4) Ok, so by surviving, I don't mean like Deadpool. I mean he'd be a vegetable whose body maintained enough nerve tissue and motor function to continue surviving. Like a headless chicken. In fact, IRL there was once a chicken who survived for over a year without a head, being fed by a tube and having its airway cleaned out with a syringe. It's spinal cord had retained enough muscle memory to keep it functioning. Analogies aside, the important thing is that his core does not regenerate. Once his nerve core (I.E, his conscious "self") is destroyed, he, like any other human without a frontal lobe, enters brain death. the only difference is that his body has enough residual nerves to keep functioning; not as an intelligent being, but as a broken record player.

Hello Mr. Moose.

So... That whole headless chicken thing... Who tested that? Because that is some sick, depraved shit.

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Okey dokey. Please edit those changes into your power assessment, and I will chat with Pen and get back to you

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Done.

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Aaaaand Pm time!