The Na'aruse Tyranny (Pathfinder, looking for up to 6 players)

[Marie Reynolds]

Well I thought Craft would apply if someone crafted new blends not just made a really good cup of tea. So I was asking if Artisan tools would be the thing to use for that.

[Angie]

Well then, the work is still more in the growing and just knowing what flavors compliment and work together. A Profession (tea-maker) would probably be more appropriate. I just don't really see Craft as being appropriate.

[Marie Reynolds]

Okay, thanks Sounds good to me.

[Rhynarion]

I am afraid that, considering what a Kusarigama is, finesse just wouldn't apply. I'm also a bit hesitant to play with weapon rules to begin with.

I'm not sure what you mean by trading proficiency in Kusarigama for double-chained Kama, unless the Vishkanya get some exotic weapons I'm not familiar with.

I'm afraid we'll be playing with weapon rules as written and not be modifying anything.

The Teisatsu gets several exotic weapons, including the aformentioned Kusarigama.

In this case, I am asking to trade Kusarigama proficiency off this list for Double-Chained Kama - one eastern exotic double weapon for another.

Vishkanya also do have a Weapon Familiarity, being proficient automatically in Kukri, Blowguns, and Shuriken; I would gladly accept an Alternare Racial Trait exchanging this for Double-Chained Kama.

It is worth noting, that Wakizashi, being [d6, 18-20/x2 crit, light, P or S, and Deadly] are so grossly better mechanically that a Double Chained Kama being d6/d6, 20/x2, S-Only, Double, Monk, Reach, Trip does not seem unreasonable.

Considering that I have neither the BAB or bonus feats to use Trip, using the reach feature disallows Finesse as it is not treated as a Kama during that attack, I do not have Flurry of Blows so Monk does nothing.

So in the end, I am trading expanded crit range, versatile damage typing, and more potent Coup de Grace for visual flavor as there is no technical difference between wielding 2 Kamas, a Double-Chained Kama, or 2 Wakizashi as far as weapon enhancements and 2WF are concerned.

[Zaer Darkwail]

If you like just mere visuals; you can go whateve weapon is good for you and then just descripe weapon (and it's use in combat) as kusarigama .

[Vergil Tanner]

@Marie: Haha, sounds good She might be able to help him find his friends

@Zaer: LOL, I wasn't expecting somebody to be drawn to one of the NPC's, but if you want to pick him up, be my guest! I just need to note that, being one of the Dugura, he would be a Mounted Fighter. Horse tribes and whatnot, y'know? My original vision for him was a mounted throwing weapon specialist, though a mounted swordsman or lance and shield also works if I make Altina the thrower of the group. Toq was intended to be the more quick-tempered of the lot with the other two there to talk him down, but since he would be your character, the personality would be entirely up to you. I've drawn up the basics of Dugura society and religion and whatnot, so I can send that to you if you want to go ahead with Toq. I would have to say that, thematically, he would have to be focused on mounted combat since he's from the Mongol / Dothraki-like Nomads, so having him fight solely on his feet is a bit....eeeeeeh. Haha. I actually picked Barbarian for Toq as a class should he be introduced simply because you can make a very decent Thrower with a Barbarian. I think Altina would likely be a Cavalier, if she's sticking with her lance and shield build.

Long story short: Yes, I am perfectly fine with you using Toq, but I would prefer him to stay as a Mounted character due to his background. If you want to make any alterations to what I had planned for him, be my guest, just let me know so I can modify Altina accordingly

[Marie Reynolds]

@Vergil Yep she would

@ Zaer and Vergil So since I was making ties to know Vergil and his entourage how do we want to proceed if Zaer Takes over one of those npcs as a pc.

[Vergil Tanner]

Just keep things the same, but have Zaer be controlling Toq. We'll find out though! We'll figure out what he wants to do and go from there

[Vergil Tanner]

Two things!

1) Angie! Is it ok if I take the Skirmisher Archetype for my Ranger?

2) Zaer! If you're going with Toq, may I suggest either the Hurler Archetype if you're going with mounted thrower, or the Mounted Fury Archetype if you're going with Mounted Melee?

[Angie]

Two things!

1) Angie! Is it ok if I take the Skirmisher Archetype for my Ranger?

2) Zaer! If you're going with Toq, may I suggest either the Hurler Archetype if you're going with mounted thrower, or the Mounted Fury Archetype if you're going with Mounted Melee?

How many times have I said "It's Paizo, it's okay"? Add one more: "It's Paizo, it's okay."

[Vergil Tanner]

I know, I know, I just find that it's better to ask. Some GM's have a thing about Archetypes, and some GM's want to be consulted before modifications are made to the Character. I just wanted to double check.

[Zaer Darkwail]

Vergil&Marie: As I take over control of the char the past events do not need changing; he may had been bold boaster who danced on stage with Marie's char in the past . Anyways I keep in mind he comes from mounted warrior culture and I intended him go for throwing build for ranged combat option (so hurler archtype is okay). However mounted fury takes off some defensive qualities in melee (uncanny dodge stuff) and I prefer keep it and instead get mount with animal cohort feat. Point being he can be good in mounted combat but he can dismount and do havoc as well. Also he may be reckless but also smart enough he can be scarily cunning/subtle at times.

[Vergil Tanner]

That sounds good! They were merely suggestions in terms of what kinds of Archetypes you might want to go for if you decided to go that route, since I already had a general feat path planned out for them in my head (just in case Tem dies and I pick up one of the other ones to reroll my character >.> ).

If you're interested, my general idea of the Build Toq would have gone through as NPC

Toq: Human Barbarian, Mighty Hurler Archetype.
Level 1: Point Blank Shot, Distance Thrower
Level 3: Charging Hurler
Level 5: Quick Draw
Level 7: Weapon Focus
Level 9: Deadly Aim

For completions sake, here's Altina too

Altina: Human Cavalier, Gendarme Archetype, Order Of The Dragon
Level 1: Mounted Combat (Gendarme), Dodge, Ride-By-Attack
Level 3: Mobility
Level 5: Spirited Charge (Gendarme), Quickdraw
Level 7: Mounted Shield
Level 8: Spring Attack (Gendarme)
Level 9: Weapon Focus (Lance)
Level 11: Power Attack (Gendarme), Trample

But...I can't seem to find this "Animal Cohort" Feat. Whereabouts is it? Would you mind linking it to me, since I've never heard of it before?

[Marie Reynolds]

Sounds Good!

[Zaer Darkwail]

Ah, my bad. I was speaking of wild cohort feat which is 3.5 feat . There has been discussion for converting it to pathfinder but so far what official data goes there is only rules how to get monster cohorts (pegasus is 6th level cohort). So was musing about that but then again if wait few levels could get some nice monster as a mount (not sure how culture you have designed would react to barbarian warrior riding on enormous monstrous mounts).

[Vergil Tanner]

Well, it's my understanding from Angie that it's only Paizo-Published stuff, so I don't think Wild Cohort would fly. So you might just have to buy a mount and be satsified with that...unless you want to take a Level in Druid, I suppose.

[Zaer Darkwail]

Or take leadership and pick monstrous creature as cohort which fan function as cohort (as mentioned in official paizo material pegasus is 6th level monstrous cohort).

[Vergil Tanner]

If you're talking about "Monstrous Companion," I don't think you can...looking at the Prerequisites. I don't think it's possible with a Barbarian, is it? Unless you Multiclass...

[Zaer Darkwail]

I meant monster cohorts, basically when I pick leadership I could pick a monster as a cohort (dragon, celestial, demon etc) instead just 'humanoid A with X levels with class B'.

[Vergil Tanner]

Aaaah, I see what you mean. Sorry, misunderstood, haha. That isn't until Level 7 though, right?

[Zaer Darkwail]

Yeap and need check what monsters we could encounter or my char get as 'buddy' who works as mount. Up to GM as the setting is unique and may not have random pegasi or tarrasque's around

[Vergil Tanner]

True! And the GM might not even ALLOW a Monstrous Mount

In any case, maybe for now focus on building the Lvl 3 Character, since...well, we only have one sheet thus far

Out of curiosity, what Feat Build were you looking at Toq for 3rd Level? And when it comes to Throwing Weapons, do you prefer to have higher Dex or higher Str?

[Zaer Darkwail]

I need balance the both Str and Dex so he can hit hard but also throw well with his axes (and can dual wield them in melee if needed). Thanks unchained he no longer gets flat stat bonus from rage but bonus to hit and dmg with physical attacks (and temporal HP). I likely get him TWF as one his feats already and may take improved TWF but no further than that in that tree in long term wise. Anyways today I will be busy and I grind sheet numbers and exact details tomorrow. Any comments on the earlier pic suggestions for Toq?

[Vergil Tanner]

You're going with throwing axes? Wow. Well, in that case I would consider Point Blank Shot and Distance Thrower to be necessary. With your Mighty Hurler Archetype, that increases the range increment of the Axe to 20ft, and Distance Thrower effectively doubles that to 40 feet without a penalty. Point Blank Shot, since you'll be closing to 30 - 40 feet to throw anyway, gives you a tasty +1 to hit and damage in that scenario. You'll also almost certainly want Quickdraw at some point, since you'll be doing a lot of drawing if you're packing throwing axes.
Unless you're going to be packing a different set of throwing weapons?
I mean, I'm sure you have a viable build in mind since you're far more experienced than me, but that's just my initial impression of the kind of feat loadout you would be looking at, haha.

Rapid Shot might be an idea too, though I'm uncertain whether it works with thrown weapons.

As for the pictures....pretty much what I imagined, yeah. He's supposed to be a proper beast of a man.

[Zaer Darkwail]

As for the pictures....pretty much what I imagined, yeah. He's supposed to be a proper beast of a man.

Any preferance which ones to consider? Anyways yeah, throwing axes and also wield them in melee :). Or go throwing axes + 2h weapon in melee (one pic has axe and greatsword barbarian in it). I thought it would be nice get a pair of +1 returning axes in long term investment but most likely he has expendable throwing axes and then enchanted main melee weapon to use. So will be tight on feats overall.