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Re: Hey there, system gamers! What tabletop rpgs do you own?
« Reply #75 on: December 26, 2016, 03:44:28 PM »
CSM's are basically just better, yeah. The only advantage human heretics have over CSM's is that they can blend in better, making them able to infiltrate Imperial-held societies and planets without causing everyone nearby to run screaming and raise massive alarms. In or out of combat, you're going to find a CSM archetype (especially with the Tomes) that can do the job of a Heretic while still being a giant supersoldier - and if nothing else, the free-pick skills system means your Champion or Forsaken can do pretty much anything except the aforementioned 'blending in' at only a small XP disadvantage.

I still love BC, and think it's the best of the 40K line. But it's got its issues, and one of them is indeed how it tries to make Heretics and Legionaries equivalent despite them obviously not being so.
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Re: Hey there, system gamers! What tabletop rpgs do you own?
« Reply #76 on: December 26, 2016, 03:47:19 PM »
I think the best sort of Black Crusade game is only bad guys. Bad guys versus other bad guys in the dark depths of warp influenced planets that haven't seen anything resembling a good guy ever. Maybe like, the end game is the actual crusade.

I also always sort of assumed that you wouldn't make a mixed party of space marines and regular folks unless that's what the players really wanted and understood what they were getting into. I mean sure the marines can't do social things very well but uh, they're quite literally super-villains they don't need to.

keeping in the spirit of the game but isn't necessarily the most fun to play.

I think this summarizes my main issue with 40k games in general. Keeping things thematic and true to the vision of the setting trumps whether a group of friends would have fun trying to play it. Now I want to reskin Black Crusade around 5e mechanics.

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« Reply #77 on: December 26, 2016, 03:58:26 PM »
Touche, it is pretty clear there's a bit of disparity there, though personally if I was GM, I'd counter it by limiting combat. CSM characters are basically combat steamrollers but kind of lacking in any skills, so Facing and Puzzles will be best solved by the Human Cultist character types. In a way you can run a mixed party, by having the technical and facing done by the humans and have the CSMs deal with combat when it comes up.

But that doesn't address the issue of the CSMs getting all the big damn fun moments while the humans are just squishy people running in fear of any combat challenge.

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As for people running games with bad guys, I point to world of darkness Vampire. Yeah, there's gonna be a bit of PvP going on if unchecked, though a strong goal for the party to cooperate over should reign it in a fair chunk. :)

Not the same thing. Black Crusade is about going and corrupting or destroy an ailing Imperium. They are meant to work as a cohesive group. Vampire is at it's best when it is a political game. It's about dealing and betrayal. In Vampire all you have to do is poke and prod your players from time to time. Black Crusade is much more active. You have to gather this group of lunatics and bind them together into a cohesive group. It is a very different set up.

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I also find the 40k games to seem crunchy as all hell on paper, though I've played a shed-ton of Adeptus Evangelion (just as crunchy, believe me) and it soon boils down easily enough. Perhaps not the best game for a beginner to rpgs, though it's not as crunch as the books make it seem. I think D&D 3.5 has more crunch to it, IMHO.

No. Black Crusade is far more crunchy than 3.5. BC is on the far end of rules heavy. The difference comes in the system logic. BC has a whole host of modifiers that you have to remember and apply on the fly. 3.5's rules logic applies the modifiers ahead of time for ease of play. It may not have always succeeded - Pathfinder does it better - but it is a much easier game to teach and lighter on the crunch.

I think the best sort of Black Crusade game is only bad guys. Bad guys versus other bad guys in the dark depths of warp influenced planets that haven't seen anything resembling a good guy ever. Maybe like, the end game is the actual crusade.

That actually doesn't work well for BC in my experience. You lose alot of the feel of Chaos by making them fight Chaos. It starts to feel like any Imperium game when you spend your whole time fighting the same enemies.

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I also always sort of assumed that you wouldn't make a mixed party of space marines and regular folks unless that's what the players really wanted and understood what they were getting into. I mean sure the marines can't do social things very well but uh, they're quite literally super-villains they don't need to.

The CSMs can do anything the cultists can do and do it better.

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I think this summarizes my main issue with 40k games in general. Keeping things thematic and true to the vision of the setting trumps whether a group of friends would have fun trying to play it. Now I want to reskin Black Crusade around 5e mechanics.

5e wouldn't be a good choice to use a different system for it. Too much that you would have to make from scratch. Unisystem actually works better. Simple, easy, and has templates for everything you need.
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Re: Hey there, system gamers! What tabletop rpgs do you own?
« Reply #78 on: December 26, 2016, 04:04:48 PM »
First up, that Red is a system lady ontop of being genuinely one of the nicest welcoming ladies I know, that's points for her right there. :)

On-topic;

Yeah, when it comes to bad guys, I'd say most xenos except the Tau (though YMMV on that) and Craftworld or Exodite Eldar would count as something to fire the PCs at (so Dark Eldar, Orks, Necron, Tyranids). Hell, even corrupt Inquisitorial and Ecclesiarchal higher-ups brings about a cartharsis for me when taking them down, personally. And it's actually mentioned in core that an endgame possibility is running an actual Black Crusade.

DarkPrince;

YMMV on a lot of your points, so I'm not going to go through your whole post there. And if you think the only big damn fun moments in tabletop come from combat, that's a really narrow viewpoint, to be horribly honest with you. Yes, the human characters are squishy, though you ignored my point about them being the face/mental specialists for the group.

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Re: Hey there, system gamers! What tabletop rpgs do you own?
« Reply #79 on: December 26, 2016, 04:12:19 PM »
DarkPrince;

YMMV on a lot of your points, so I'm not going to go through your whole post there. And if you think the only big damn fun moments in tabletop come from combat, that's a really narrow viewpoint, to be horribly honest with you. Yes, the human characters are squishy, though you ignored my point about them being the face/mental specialists for the group.

Except the CSMs are just as good face and mental characters if not better. I never said that the only big damn fun moments come from combat but in most games they do. While you can have fun not being a combat character it is very hard to have fun when you have to be paranoid to survive any encounter.

And to note I am not overly fond of your tone towards me.

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Re: Hey there, system gamers! What tabletop rpgs do you own?
« Reply #80 on: December 26, 2016, 04:24:14 PM »
Apologies on tone, not my usual way of speaking in general and to yourself either.

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« Reply #81 on: December 26, 2016, 04:25:25 PM »
Apologies on tone, not my usual way of speaking in general and to yourself either.

All cool then.

Offline BlytheTopic starter

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« Reply #82 on: December 26, 2016, 04:28:34 PM »
I have gotten a copy of Blue Rose for Christmas and have been slowly reading it. It's interesting, although some of the influences from romantic fantasy literature are a little heavy-handed for my tastes. The nation of Jarzon might as well have been lifted from the Valdemar novels; it's pretty much Karse in a nutshell so far. Not that I outright dislike that, just that I wish there was a little more to it, I guess?

That being said, I am still liking it so far. I'm about 80 pages into the core rulebook. It handles its choice of genre well...plus, any game where I can play a psychic horse or cat is going on my 'To Play!' list.  :-)
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Re: Hey there, system gamers! What tabletop rpgs do you own?
« Reply #83 on: December 26, 2016, 06:03:47 PM »
As much as I'd like to get a Black Crusade game, at this point I've given up on them. I swear they're cursed, at least where I'm concerned.

Wouldn't mind an L5R or 7th Sea game right now though.

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« Reply #84 on: December 26, 2016, 06:06:25 PM »
You run them very well Hairy, if you can't get one going I don't think anyone can. :(

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« Reply #85 on: December 26, 2016, 06:13:37 PM »
*shrugs* Maybe it's just circumstance and timing. I expect I'll try again at some point. I love the 40k universe too much not to. Right now though, they're just not happening.

Toying with the idea running L5R, though that's going to need to wait a bit. I seem to be just coming down with a cold, and that isn't exactly helpful where creativity is concerned.

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« Reply #86 on: December 26, 2016, 06:36:51 PM »
Wow.  I haven't tabletop gamed since my middle brother moved to Nevada...and that was almost 20 years ago.  I still have all the books, though, for many games.

Dungeons & Dragons--the 3 booklet set that started it all...the ones you still needed the Chainmail miniatures rules book to play.

Advanced D&D--I have virtually all of the hardcover books from 1st Edition, plus at least forty adventure modules of various sorts, from the classic Tomb Of Horrors to the original Ravenloft.  2nd Edition, I have the DMs Guide, Player's Handbook, and Monster Manual.  3rd Edition, just the Monster Manual.  I never actually played per 2nd or 3rd editions, but picked and chose bits here and there to add to 1st ed.

Gamma World--Post-apocalyptic RPG put out by TSR.  The boxed set plus a single module.  We wrote all the adventures ourselves, my friends and I, in high school.  When The Road Warrior came out, we were excited, to say the least.

Star Frontiers--Sci-fi RPG put out by TSR.  We incorporated Star Wars, Star Trek, various anime gundam stuff...

Marvel Superheroes--This my brothers and I got a lot of well-spent time out of.  We always played with original characters.  I particularly remember one character, Sparrowhawk, who was like a female Tony Stark, complete with her own suit of flying armor.

James Bond--was an RPG, but that stuff was owned by my younger brother. 

I had a boxed set of the Indiana Jones RPG, but we never really played it. 

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« Reply #87 on: December 28, 2016, 06:39:20 AM »
I have played many different systems. Sadly living here in Japan I do not have a real life gaming group anymore.

D&D: I cut my gaming teeth on 1st Edition and played every new edition up through 4.0. I've had too many funny/amusing moments with this system, but after 3.5 it just stopped. Ring fun for me.

I have also tried most of the D30 varients Like D20 Modern and Apocalypse.

Star Wars: I started with the old West End D6 version and continued through the Saga Edition. This was how I spend much of my free time while at sea. I have so many crazy stories about my at sea gaming group.

Battletech: I love the tabletop version of this and it is one of the games I still crave to find a group for.

MURPG: A diceless supers game. A lot of fun, easy to learn and play. I have created so many interesting characters with this system.

Alternity:  This was a fun alternative to D&D, with interesting game mechanics and the ability to cater to any genre.

I have dabbled in Shadowrun- love the setting, hate the crunch-, Savage Lands, White Wolf, Warhammer- the original version, 40K, Pendragon and a few others that I forget the names of.

I even tried to create my own systems on a few occasions. I don't remember much about it he first one, other than the playtesters enjoying it. The second one was themed around a future wher awake-mart took over the world and created city sized Wal-tropolis'.

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« Reply #88 on: December 28, 2016, 12:25:44 PM »
Forgot to mention - I've got at least a couple of Planescape source books. (AD&D astral plane spinoff.)

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« Reply #89 on: December 28, 2016, 12:40:09 PM »
I used to have the Planescape and Planes of Chaos boxed sets. Long long ago. :)

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« Reply #90 on: December 28, 2016, 12:49:22 PM »
After some Christmas gifts, I have gotten a few more Planescape supplements & a couple of adventures.

And I've just now started reading on modrons.

Man, I think I love modrons. <3

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« Reply #91 on: December 28, 2016, 12:53:05 PM »
Modrons are, indeed, awesome.

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« Reply #92 on: December 28, 2016, 12:58:25 PM »
There was a rogue modron character race for 2e somewhere...always wanted to play one.

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« Reply #93 on: December 28, 2016, 01:49:54 PM »
2e had a lot of interesting supplements; Dark Sun is interesting, and remains something I want to try myself one of these days.
Spelljammer has some glorious ships. I wasn't super-impressed with the ship-control rules, but.. magic in space is fun, regardless. Planescape is just fun.

Mr. Thorne got his hands on Polaris; albeit he's not super impressed with all of the aspects of the setting, he says the system is solid.
Post-apoc underwater cities? Sure, why not.

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« Reply #94 on: December 28, 2016, 02:22:27 PM »
Yeah, the rules for spelljamming were odd to say the least, but it was easy to ignore them! :)

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« Reply #95 on: December 28, 2016, 04:51:57 PM »
I only managed to read some of Spelljammer once, I did admittedly love the premise, felt like someone got some Traveller in my D&D and some D&D in my Traveller.  :-)

I came across it after starting work on Wander Worlds, which itself is Dungeon World in SPAAAAACE!:-)

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« Reply #96 on: January 02, 2017, 04:18:57 PM »
Oooh. Purchased Godbound today!

I was so hesitant about getting it (I wasn't sure if the whole 'demigods' thing would appeal to me), but many of my friends insisted it was really good and kept bugging me to get it when I had the time/money. So far, it's a really incredible read. It's got that really 'epic fantasy' vibe that I groove on.
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Re: Hey there, system gamers! What tabletop rpgs do you own?
« Reply #97 on: January 02, 2017, 07:21:02 PM »
So I noticed there's free rules to play and playbooks for a new PbtA game, called 'City of Mist' on drivethru... Its seemingly a cross between a supers and film noir rpg, set in a supernatural modern setting. I got reminded of if Beast:the Primordial (love it or hate it, Beast does have an awesome concept of people carrying a mythic creature soul) was played as a film noir by it's pitch.

Seems to use tags more than cemented moves to represent powers etc, though I've yet to read the free rulebook, that should be neat to get system naysayers onboard as a nice game to introduce people to system play (something I've found Dungeon World and PbtA games excellent for). The pitch makes it sound more narrative than usual, though I love the PbtA system, plus it's free so I'm down to give it a swing.

Sound interesting to anyone else?

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« Reply #98 on: January 02, 2017, 07:32:09 PM »
I think I saw the kickstarter for it, but didn't really do more than glance at it. I might take a look at it if they're doing a free quickstart or what have you.

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« Reply #99 on: January 02, 2017, 07:42:03 PM »
Well, there's this;

http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/191450/City-of-Mist-Starter-Set-Rulesbook

There's also two free playable scenarios on the site, a free document of 7 pregen characters, plus there's an extras document that seems to list things like the Moves and is a general playkit, also free.  :-)

So, there's a free quickstart available, just over a couple of different pdfs. ^^;