All Hail God-Emperor Trump

[Doomblade403xxx]

Wikileaks was a leak inside the DNC. Julian Assange who was it's founder has said this multiple times. He knows this because he met the leak several times to get intel posted on his site. if Hillary had won we wouldn't have heard a single word about russian hacking because this is just the latest in a long line of excuses as to why she lost. The truth is she got exposed as a criminal in taking campaign funds from a foreign backer. The email scandal. Anthony Weiner and Bill Clinton must be brothers/cousins or something because neither are very good to women, and Huma Abedin and his emails/txts reopened not only the server scandal but cast her playing fast and loose with national security in plain view. Benghazi....she was one of two things....negligent or a traitor. Till some concrete proof comes out that there was a hack...there was no hack.

[TheGlyphstone]

Wikileaks was a leak inside the DNC. Julian Assange who was it's founder has said this multiple times. He knows this because he met the leak several times to get intel posted on his site. if Hillary had won we wouldn't have heard a single word about russian hacking because this is just the latest in a long line of excuses as to why she lost. The truth is she got exposed as a criminal in taking campaign funds from a foreign backer. The email scandal. Anthony Weiner and Bill Clinton must be brothers/cousins or something because neither are very good to women, and Huma Abedin and his emails/txts reopened not only the server scandal but cast her playing fast and loose with national security in plain view. Benghazi....she was one of two things....negligent or a traitor. Till some concrete proof comes out that there was a hack...there was no hack.

Julian Assange has multiple ties to Russia and the Russian government. He's not exactly a trustworthy source on that issue. But here, read this:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/06/us/politics/document-russia-hacking-report-intelligence-agencies.html

That's the unclassified summary of the official investigative report, from our actual intelligence agencies, confirming that Russia was behind said leaks. Is the word, with evidence, of the CIA, FBI, and NSA proof enough for you?

[Oniya]

It was probably a poor journalistic choice to use the word 'hack' to describe what Russia did.  What they did was more along the lines of Information Warfare.  more extensive definition

Let's face it - the two candidates that were running had the lowest approval rating of any candidates in history.  Dropping 'news' stories here and there to make either one of them look even more untrustworthy is something your average 4chan-er can do - it doesn't take actual 'hacking'.  All Russia had to do was pick their target.  The fact that Faux News subscribes to the philosophy of 'If it bleeds, it leads' only helped matters, as dishing juicy dirt is so much better for ratings than fact-checking, and doesn't take nearly as much time.

[Cassandra LeMay]

It was probably a poor journalistic choice to use the word 'hack' to describe what Russia did.  What they did was more along the lines of Information Warfare. 

I'd say getting into the DNC emails sure was a hack in the way most people on the street would define the term.

My impression is that it was actually Trump who spread the word "hack" far and wide. Yes, 'the press' did pick up the word and ran with it far more than perhaps they should have, but from where I sit it looked a lot like the Trump campaign used the word "hack" for a lot of different things, obfuscating the line between disinformation and actual vote manipulation on purpose.

[Oniya]

They may have used cyber-infiltration techniques to access servers to get information to spread - but the way that the phrase 'hacked the elections' tends to be interpreted by the man in the street is that Russian operatives accessed the actual voting machines and changed votes.  Of course, then you'd have to explain why Clinton has more tallied votes than T-Rump - rather sloppy for a government-hired black-hat to leave that sort of thing to chance.

[TheGlyphstone]

They may have used cyber-infiltration techniques to access servers to get information to spread - but the way that the phrase 'hacked the elections' tends to be interpreted by the man in the street is that Russian operatives accessed the actual voting machines and changed votes.  Of course, then you'd have to explain why Clinton has more tallied votes than T-Rump - rather sloppy for a government-hired black-hat to leave that sort of thing to chance.

Pretty much. There's zero evidence and next to zero speculation that Russia had any involvement on Nov 8th or afterwards, their meddling was all during the campaigning season.

[Doomblade403xxx]

Julian Assange has multiple ties to Russia and the Russian government. He's not exactly a trustworthy source on that issue. But here, read this:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/06/us/politics/document-russia-hacking-report-intelligence-agencies.html

That's the unclassified summary of the official investigative report, from our actual intelligence agencies, confirming that Russia was behind said leaks. Is the word, with evidence, of the CIA, FBI, and NSA proof enough for you?

No offense but I don't really consider the new york times an unbiased news source.

[Oniya]

No offense but I don't really consider the new york times an unbiased news source.

If you're going to make that assertion, it would be polite to offer what sources you do find acceptable.

[TheGlyphstone]

No offense but I don't really consider the new york times an unbiased news source.

Then I'll do you one better and Google it for you.

https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT3LLWgbPRAhWFPCYKHehND6YQPAgD#hl=en&q=russian+hacking+report+pdf

Unless you are prepared to propose that all of those media sources are participating in a conspiracy of bias to falsify the existence of said report, you're going to have to admit that it is authentic. Especially since Google hits #1 and #2 are links direct to the report itself without the 'bias' of being reprinted by a newspaper verbatim.

[Vekseid]

Wikileaks was a leak inside the DNC. Julian Assange who was it's founder has said this multiple times.

Julian Assange's word is by definition biased. His word is meaningless and he's been known since Wikileaks' founding to be a self-serving prick.

And hell, you can dig back through the old topics in this very forum to find when the Russians took over Wikileaks. It is neither secret nor new.

if Hillary had won we wouldn't have heard a single word about russian hacking because this is just the latest in a long line of excuses as to why she lost.

She lost because gullible people bought into a completely alternate reality.

The truth is she got exposed as a criminal in taking campaign funds from a foreign backer.

This is false.

Though Trump tried to.

Republican hypocrisy in action.

The email scandal.

Which Republicans did a thousand times worse. Colin Powell used an AoL account. A fucking AoL account.

Where are the investigations into that?

Oh yeah. He's a Republican, so he gets a pass even if what he does is worse on its face.

Anthony Weiner and Bill Clinton must be brothers/cousins or something because neither are very good to women,

A perfect example of Republican hypocrisy and double standards right here. Hillary had to be perfect - not only in her actions, but also in her marriage.

What the fuck does this have to do with Hillary?

and Huma Abedin and his emails/txts reopened not only the server scandal but cast her playing fast and loose with national security in plain view.

I like how deeply you didn't research this.

News flash, Huma is female.

And again, these e-mails had nothing to do with Hillary.

Benghazi....she was one of two things....negligent or a traitor.

She was neither. A half dozen embassies were attacked with fatalities in the Bush era. How much were they investigated? Oh yeah they weren't.

In truth, Benghazi is just another example of the Republican double standard.

Democrats need to be inhumanly perfect. Paragons of human achievement.

Republicans just need to be rich. Even sexual assault, disrespecting the electoral process, and using fascist rhetoric gets a pass by you.

Till some concrete proof comes out that there was a hack...there was no hack.

There is more evidence of Russian hacking - that you can find for yourself and not even rely on anything the government or media says - than there is for any intentional wrongdoing on Hillary Clinton's part.

You can literally download files yourself and check. It's still there. Still edited on a Russian-language machine. Still from the source.



The truth is, Hillary Clinton had far more noble character than any Republican running for the office ever had since Ike. She dedicated her life to trying to make this country better, and where her ego and other flaws got in the way, she is human.

Just like you.

There are people who voted for Trump to, whether they understand it or not, effectively end neoliberalism.

That is fine. I get that. Stick a fork in it, it should never have been.

But that does not excuse trying to paint a human being as something they are not, or cast unwarranted aspersions.

[Doomblade403xxx]

Julian Assange's word is by definition biased. His word is meaningless and he's been known since Wikileaks' founding to be a self-serving prick.

And hell, you can dig back through the old topics in this very forum to find when the Russians took over Wikileaks. It is neither secret nor new.

She lost because gullible people bought into a completely alternate reality.

This is false.

Though Trump tried to.

Republican hypocrisy in action.

Which Republicans did a thousand times worse. Colin Powell used an AoL account. A fucking AoL account.

Where are the investigations into that?

Oh yeah. He's a Republican, so he gets a pass even if what he does is worse on its face.

A perfect example of Republican hypocrisy and double standards right here. Hillary had to be perfect - not only in her actions, but also in her marriage.

What the fuck does this have to do with Hillary?

I like how deeply you didn't research this.

News flash, Huma is female.

And again, these e-mails had nothing to do with Hillary.

She was neither. A half dozen embassies were attacked with fatalities in the Bush era. How much were they investigated? Oh yeah they weren't.

In truth, Benghazi is just another example of the Republican double standard.

Democrats need to be inhumanly perfect. Paragons of human achievement.

Republicans just need to be rich. Even sexual assault, disrespecting the electoral process, and using fascist rhetoric gets a pass by you.

There is more evidence of Russian hacking - that you can find for yourself and not even rely on anything the government or media says - than there is for any intentional wrongdoing on Hillary Clinton's part.

You can literally download files yourself and check. It's still there. Still edited on a Russian-language machine. Still from the source.



The truth is, Hillary Clinton had far more noble character than any Republican running for the office ever had since Ike. She dedicated her life to trying to make this country better, and where her ego and other flaws got in the way, she is human.

Just like you.

There are people who voted for Trump to, whether they understand it or not, effectively end neoliberalism.

That is fine. I get that. Stick a fork in it, it should never have been.

But that does not excuse trying to paint a human being as something they are not, or cast unwarranted aspersions.

First of all i work long hours...his and her is an easy mistake to make when your tired. I know huma abedin is a woman because shes married to Weiner, and what does Bill and Weiner have to do with Hillary? Everything. Last I checked Billy boy went through impeachment hearings because of sex scandal and had dozens more to follow. Hillary called them all liars. He top advisor, the woman at her side through thick and thin...her husband opened the server investigation back up while he was playing pedo with an underaged girl through sexting. So it paints a picture of the type of people your dealing with. Either Hillary and Huma are so controlled and gullible that they believe or would do anything their husbands said, or their behavior is acceptable until it gets cast into the limelight.

4 guys in benghazi dedicated their lives, she just got rich.

Dont worry people...you won't hear from me in these political forums again since people want to spew vitriol at people who think differently than they. Maybe in a year when you see the sky isn't gonna fall and america is gonna keep on keeping on you'll look back and realize 'hey maybe my opinion isn't the only one that matters'.

God bless the United States of America

[Vekseid]

Opinions are fine, falsehoods and misdirection are not.

Benghazi saw more investigations than 9/11, and had less personal culpability on Clinton's part than Rice had for that disaster of intelligence. And yet those investigations came to nothing. Which party cut funding for embassy security?

A half dozen embassies likewise were attacked with fatalities during Bush's terms. Where were the investigations for those?

Hillary called the rape allegations lies. And those allegations never held up in court.

Regardless, that you would use sexual promiscuity on a forum like this as evidence of moral failing, yet give a pass to Trump, speaks volumes.

Dont worry people...you won't hear from me in these political forums again since people want to spew vitriol at people who think differently than they.

You'll be back.

Hopefully you will bring facts to the table next time rather than fabrications.

Maybe in a year when you see the sky isn't gonna fall and america is gonna keep on keeping on you'll look back and realize 'hey maybe my opinion isn't the only one that matters'.

Republicans have already sworn to kill Net Neutrality, which is basically the reason you can visit Elliquiy or your favorite 'news' source in the first place. Sure, my NOC has Comcast peering available. Not every random Internet site's host does, though.

The House GOP just tried to gut the congressional ethics office. Trump only criticized the timing, not the act itself. The government ethics office hasn't been able to get hold of Trump's team.

Trump is going to have no effect on the economy for at least a year unless he does something monumentally stupid. Which, given the way he's talking about unilaterally violating trade treaties, is not out of the realm of possibility.

Trump's environmental policies are a disaster, but on the scale of forty to four hundred years rather than four.

Trump actively discounting intelligence reports is the sort of thing that led to 9/11 in the first place.

Trump and the GOP's attempts at setting up politically based purges, combined with the face that he is already struggling to find qualified talent willing to work with him, means expertise is going to be further driven from our government.

Trump's antics are already costing the U.S. diplomatically, which is a hard sort of currency to define.

[elone]

Opinions are fine, falsehoods and misdirection are not.

Benghazi saw more investigations than 9/11, and had less personal culpability on Clinton's part than Rice had for that disaster of intelligence. And yet those investigations came to nothing. Which party cut funding for embassy security?

A half dozen embassies likewise were attacked with fatalities during Bush's terms. Where were the investigations for those?

Hillary called the rape allegations lies. And those allegations never held up in court.

I am glad you accept opinions. As an ardent Sanders supporter perhaps I can give some insight as to why Hillary lost. In my opinion, she had a hard time relating to the average person. She spent too much time on fundraisers and not enough on the campaign trail. That perception led many to assume she cared more about the money than the people. While Bernie and Trump pulled in huge crowds, she had few and a select group. Also, in her refusal to release tapes of her speeches she doubled down on her reputation for secrecy and mistrust. Double standard, maybe, but Bernie had no problem releasing his speeches, none. She kept moving the fence, first it was Bernie' speeches, then all candidates, Republicans included. Another of the examples of the secrecy that seemed to surround her, projecting white noise at a fundraiser so no one could eavesdrop on what she was saying. That may be a wrong assumption, but opinions matter, do they not. Of course there was Travelgate, and other nonsense like taking White House gifts when Bill left office that she had to return. Also, there was HillaryCare. A totally botched attempt at healthcare. She had a democratic president, a democratic congress, and still could not come up with an acceptable plan. Whose fault was that? Another thing, she spoke to different groups and promised each one of them that their problem would be the first thing on her agenda as president. Her pandering to special interest had no bounds. Her taking money from lobbyists, special interests, and super pacs all did not sit well with voters. Now it is the Russians who swayed the elections. Why? Because they exposed the truth? Isn't the truth a good thing? No, it was Hillary as a flawed candidate that lost the election. No double standards, just a lousy candidate.

The Washington Post and Politifact both made no mention of funding cuts as to the reason there was no upgraded security in Bengazi. The reason given by both was that the State Department did not respond to the requests. As the buck stops at the desk of the Secretary of State, it became her fault in the eyes of many. Maybe unfair, but perception is in the eyes of the voters. (or electors, since she won the popular vote)

Many attacks occurred under Bush but for the most part embassy personnel were not killed in the compounds. In addition, none of them resulted in the death of an ambassador. Again, that pesky perception thing.

Rape allegations never went to court, Juanita Broderick did not get to court, so how could they not have held up in court? Simply not true.

Bill Clinton's sexual deeds should not be a reason to not vote for Hillary. However, the perception and allegations that she knew, actively intimidated his victims, and did nothing, lost her some votes. Again, maybe unfair, but that is what many people saw.

The truth is, Hillary Clinton had far more noble character than any Republican running for the office ever had since Ike. She dedicated her life to trying to make this country better, and where her ego and other flaws got in the way, she is human.

Your opinion

Just my opinion.

[Vekseid]

She had a hard time communicating with the average person. She felt she needed both 'a public and private persona' because she had to shelve so much of her own personal ambition and goals just to be acceptable as Bill's wife in the 80's and 90's.

This results in her - to quote one article I forget - "Lying like a politician." It seems two-faced even though you can read her private correspondence and find a person who genuinely cares for people regardless of whether it gets publicized. Americans want someone who appears to speak from the heart.

In part because of Hillary, however, a woman who follows in her footsteps isn't going to have to abandon political ambitions, change her name, or otherwise kowtow to as sexist a press apparatus as she faced.

Hillary lost for many reasons, many of them her own making.

She also lost because Comey allowed some voters to forget how nasty a person Trump is - with the media's eager compliance.

She also lost because of republican voter suppression efforts.

She also lost because, despite winning 2.8 million more votes, we don't elect presidents based on the popular vote.



And again, the double standards are blatant.

Where is the comparable outrage over Powell's AoL account?

Where is the comparable outrage over the Bush admin's 22 million missing e-mails?

Where is the comparable outrage over Rice's mishandling of 9/11 intel?

Where is the comparable outrage over Trump's pedophilia allegations?

[Mithlomwen]

Last night at the Golden Globes ceremony, Meryl Streep gave a moving acceptance speech in response to being awarded the Cecil B. Demille lifetime achievement award.  In part, she called out Trump (without actually naming his name) on mocking a disabled reporter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpsiwSmy4mg

Trump unloaded on Twitter, calling her among other things, a "Hillary flunkie", and "The most overrated actress of all time".  Link  He also claimed that he never did such a thing. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

So my question is.....if he can bold face lie about something like that, knowing that there is video evidence of him doing exactly what he is denying having done, what else is he lying about? Not to mention how unprofessional  it is for our President Elect to post such things on a Twitter page.  What will happen if he continues to do so when President? 

I just.....I am frightened beyond words to think  this man will be our President. 

In other Trump news....

Monica Crowley, who Trump has picked for top national security communications role, has apparently plagerized large sections of her 2012 book. 

*edited for typos

[elone]

And again, the double standards are blatant.

Where is the comparable outrage over Powell's AoL account?

Where is the comparable outrage over the Bush admin's 22 million missing e-mails?

Where is the comparable outrage over Rice's mishandling of 9/11 intel?

Where is the comparable outrage over Trump's pedophilia allegations?

Different rules when Powell was Secretary. Hillary broke them he didn't. The rules changed after his departure.

CNN  "Computer technicians have recovered about 22 million Bush administration e-mails that the Bush White House had said were missing, two watchdog groups that sued over the documents announced Monday."

Rice and Powell were not running for the highest office in the land. Is the double standard against Democrats, or women. If the latter, where does that leave Rice?

Pedophilia, really? And Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster. The case against Trump by an anonymous Jane Doe was dismissed and dropped.

Double standard - Brian Williams lost his job for exaggerating his being under fire in Iraq. Hillary claims she landed under fire in Bosnia and ran to her Humvee for cover. Video shows her with her daughter being greeted by children on the tarmac. Hillary says, " I misspoke" Why lie?? And people wonder about the trust issue.

Hillary represented all that is wrong with politicians in this country. That is why she lost. (opinion)

As you said, opinions are ok, liberties with the truth are not.

But this is supposed to be about Trump. It will be a bad 4 years, I am afraid.

[Vekseid]

Different rules when Powell was Secretary. Hillary broke them he didn't. The rules changed after his departure.

I remember some of the rules when I was working during Powell's tenure. It's possible he could have complied properly, but I genuinely doubt it. The issue involves segregated network access which was still a thing in Powell's time.

CNN  "Computer technicians have recovered about 22 million Bush administration e-mails that the Bush White House had said were missing, two watchdog groups that sued over the documents announced Monday."

Was not aware of this, thank you.

But anyone who runs a major e-mail server knows the scale of these things. Elliquiy alone sends nearly four million e-mails each year.

To many people, thirty thousand e-mails seems like a lot - at least half of which were also recovered.

For us, that's a slow week.

Rice and Powell were not running for the highest office in the land. Is the double standard against Democrats, or women. If the latter, where does that leave Rice?

Considering the investigations into Benghazi all dropped on Clinton's defeat, it was clearly politically motivated. Republicans are well aware these things happen. To those prosecuting the case, it was nothing more than a prop to them.

Pedophilia, really? And Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster. The case against Trump by an anonymous Jane Doe was dismissed and dropped.

The point here was that the allegations against Trump never got nearly as much traction as those against the Clintons.

Double standard - Brian Williams lost his job for exaggerating his being under fire in Iraq. Hillary claims she landed under fire in Bosnia and ran to her Humvee for cover. Video shows her with her daughter being greeted by children on the tarmac. Hillary says, " I misspoke" Why lie?? And people wonder about the trust issue.

The post right above yours talks about Trump denying something there is video of him doing.

Again.

To the specific point, how well do you think you would do giving an account of your own life, compared to a video recording of it? Who knows what got crossed in her brain. We know it happens to everyone, and it's not the only well-known instance of it happening with Hillary.

Hillary represented all that is wrong with politicians in this country. That is why she lost. (opinion)

As you said, opinions are ok, liberties with the truth are not.

But this is supposed to be about Trump. It will be a bad 4 years, I am afraid.

I don't believe Hillary was perfect by any means. I felt the best course for this country would be for Sanders to come within a hair's breath of winning the nomination, but not quite making it - forcing the Democrats to adopt old left policy platforms (which they did).

That said, with many Trump voters starting to freak out over possibly losing the ACA, perhaps some of them will start thinking a bit more critically and moving out of their echo chambers.

For me personally, I need to fight for network neutrality or risk losing every visitor to my sites whose network I can't end up peering with.

[Valerian]

Amid some serious ethics concerns regarding Trump's cabinet appointees (shocker), the first day of hearings for the confirmation of Sessions as attorney general are being interrupted by protesters, including some dressed in KKK-style robes.

It'll be interesting to see how hard Trump fights for this appointment, or if he'll just make a few angry tweets and throw Sessions under the bus.

[Cassandra LeMay]

It'll be interesting to see how hard Trump fights for this appointment, or if he'll just make a few angry tweets and throw Sessions under the bus.

I could very well be mistaken, but the way I understand it, the usual procedure for candidates who might not get confirmed is that the committees signal that to the administration and the candidate is then normally withdrawn. If that happens with one of his candidates, he might well fight it, try to push his candidate through, just to see who folds first, how far he can push the Senate.

Fivethirtyeight has an article and a podcast dealing with the hearings. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-really-hard-to-block-a-cabinet-nominee/ Maybe that's of interest to some here.

[CopperLily]

In other news, Trump is appointing RFK Jr., a known and ardent vaccine denialist, to head a vaccine safety committee. At best, this is going to pit actual public health agencies against the White House. At worst, it's going to actually help damage decades worth of work in eradicating infectious diseases.

[Samael]

In other news, Trump is appointing RFK Jr., a known and ardent vaccine denialist, to head a vaccine safety committee. At best, this is going to pit actual public health agencies against the White House. At worst, it's going to actually help damage decades worth of work in eradicating infectious diseases.

The people who may die to this as collateral...
This is depressing and horrifying.

[Blythe]

Urgh. That was insanely disheartening to find out. There's no good outcome for RFK Jr.'s appointment. Just...none.

[Cassandra LeMay]

Sooo... I was trying to watch Trump's press conference - and I literally couldn't. I could not manage more than about one minute at a time, before my brain was feeling like it was turning into goo.

To clear my mind I tried to put it all into one image, and what I ended up with was this (not all original quotes, but hey, who cares about who said what as long as it sounds believable- right?)



And yes, I kinda feel better now, now that I got that off my chest.

[elone]

Urgh. That was insanely disheartening to find out. There's no good outcome for RFK Jr.'s appointment. Just...none.

Can anyone tell me what is the link between Trump and RFK, Jr? RFK, Jr is a big democrat, former drug addict and convicted felon. He wrote about vaccines in a completely discredited article, then tried to link vaccines to autism. Maybe we should bring back all the viral diseases. Polio anyone?

[Oniya]

If I had to guess, I'd say it's social circles.  The Kennedys - while Democrats - were considered 'American royalty' when John, Bobby, and Teddy were around.  Joe Kennedy Sr. was a big businessman, and made quite a bit of his fortune with (then legal) insider trading.  (Joe himself helped make it illegal when he was the first chairman of the SEC under Roosevelt.)